Discussion Are Supernova crews stronger than Strawhats?

[Fox666]

Hawkins can pretty much create 10000 vodoo dolls and exhaust his opponents, without taking damage.

Hawkins ran out of voodoo dolls against Kizaru. Given Luffy fighting style, it should be easy for him to overcome it too.

 

[Holt]

Pre TS I don't think there was any SN crew above the SH. Well I could say Kidd was perhaps on par with them. And perhaps law, hakwins and Apoo slightly beneath. Shaki said how Kidd was only higher in bounty because he involved civilians. Even at davy back arc when Aokiji first met the SH, he commented on how he thinks the WG isn't taking them seriously enough.

There are very few crews that could survive in conditions the SH's found themselves in at different times. The entire crew has a bounty on their head and each held their own against various members of the CP9. Remember even capone's comment on how strong luffy had to be for a monster like zoro to be under him. Urogue and the other SN captains were impressed with zoro just showing a little killing intent, instantly labelling him as a beast/monster.
The SH's were originally going to sail to sea before ace died and Rayleigh made luffy understand that the crew strength was enough. So the other SN's sailing out first doesn't indicate anything. Also like kkck said, the SH's were already infamous and notorious. They would have been dealing with extremely strong people from the moment they entered the NW.

So far, I think the only crew that maybe able to compete with the SH's will be Kidd's crew. Atleast we know they also had two members among the Supernova's, both who had higher bounties than their SH counterparts. Still I'd say they are slightly underneath or at most just on par with the SH's. The accumulated traininers the SH's got are just ridiculous. Its a mixture of Rayleigh, Mihawk, Dragon and the Revolutionaries, Ivankov, Vegapunk and others. That's seriously a lot.

 

[HereNThere]

If they had gone like the other Supernova, I'm pretty sure we'd be short a few Strawhats by now.We can see from the looks of the other Supernova that they've had their share of loses. It's also very likely they lost many crew members while exploring the New World. They appear to be doing fine now, sure, but the journey was most likely hard as hell and full of close calls. Luffy wanted to make sure he kept his crew intact and safe, so he had them sit still and hone their skills. Nothing to do with being weaker than the other Supernova, it's just that they were cautious. There was no need to rush into the unknown unprepared.

 

[EddyBob15]

Pre TS I don't think there was any SN crew above the SH. Well I could say Kidd was perhaps on par with them. And perhaps law, hakwins and Apoo slightly beneath.

What about Drake? He was able to knock aside a Pacifista with a kick when doing the same caused Sanji to nearly break his leg.

 

[Holt]

What about Drake? He was able to knock aside a Pacifista with a kick when doing the same caused Sanji to nearly break his leg.

Yeah drake is good too but this is about the crew. I think only kidd's crew could be possibly be on par with the SH's.
Drake, law, Hawkins and Apoo's crews are most likely slightly beneath the SH's

 

[M3J]

I don't think there's any way to tell right now, as everyone must have gotten stronger. For all we know, Kidd's crew could be stronger than Luffy's, while Luffy's could probably wipe the floor with Apoo's crew. I mean, despite having a higher bounty, nothing indicated Kidd was stronger than Luffy, and that the bounty came from the amount of destruction he caused.

 

[lildeboe16]

I could see Law and Kid being on equal ground with Luffy and Zoro and Luffy being equal to Kid and Killer in combat power before the TS but after the TS i would have to say Law looks like he is trailing behind Luffy and I cant really say anything towards Kid because we haven't really seen anything out of him since the TS. But I'll like to place my bets on the fact that his bounty isnt really just for show and can hold his own against Luffy and i can say the same for Killer agianst Zoro seeing how he is the only known VC besides Zoro within the SN so i would see Killer and Kid being on the same equal ground as Luffy and Zorro

 

[Holt]

I don't think there's any way to tell right now, as everyone must have gotten stronger. For all we know, Kidd's crew could be stronger than Luffy's, while Luffy's could probably wipe the floor with Apoo's crew. I mean, despite having a higher bounty, nothing indicated Kidd was stronger than Luffy, and that the bounty came from the amount of destruction he caused.

Yeah there isn't really a way to tell. I only say Kidd's crew and the SH's are just about level as they are the only two crews that had 2 members as part of the SN. Also it'd be pointless if the SH's could defeat all the other SN. So atleast there's someone on their level or thereabouts and if I was to take a guess, it'd be Kidd.

 

[M3J]

I don't think going with who was part of supernova is fair though given that Kidd was okay with destroying while most of the other crews may have preferred to be more discrete or not enjoy destruction. For all we know, Bepo could easily be on par with Sanji, Zoro, or Kidd's first mate but is thought to be mediocre because he chooses to lay low. Similar to Chopper, I guess? Chopper has helped the crew out and is strong in his own way, but his bounty was pretty bad because of how he's perceived.

 

[Holt]

Yeah I know that but since we have next to no info about their respective crew strengths, that's the most likely thing we can go by.

 

[M3J]

I would personally just go with the crews being mostly even, if not even.

 

[EddyBob15]

You know, I shared this topic with a friend of mine, and he said that by waiting to prepare for the New World, the Straw Hats will gain longer term successes than the rest of the Supernovas.

 

[lildeboe16]

Yea i could also believe that eddy it actual shows that Luffy thought about in the conversation with Raleigh

 

[EddyBob15]

Yea i could also believe that eddy it actual shows that Luffy thought about in the conversation with Raleigh

Thank you.

 

[GomuGomu_Getsuga]

The Strawhats didn't need to go to the New World immediately. Did you guys just randomly forget how many battles the SH went through. None of the other SuperNova even compare to be honest. The Strawhats have defeated Buggy, Morgan, Alvida, Kuro, baroque works, Mr. 1/2, Crocodile, Bellamy, Enel, Cp9, Moria and his crew, impel down for God sake and the war. I promise you Law or Kidd hadn't defeated or even faced 4 Shichibukai in battle. The Strawhats also saw the power of an Admiral(aokiji) way before Kizaru. They already saw the strongest power there is. Especially Luffy and Zoro. Luffy fought alongside the likes of Whitebeard, Jinbei, Crocodile and Ivankov against the worlds strongest while Law and Kidd were pissing off.

The Strawhats didn't need anymore battle experience, they needed training. They would destroy Law or Kidd's crew easily. I've been saying this for the longest. Law and Kidd aren't even as strong as Zoro and we've yet to see Luffy's true power.

 

[lildeboe16]

The Strawhats didn't need to go to the New World immediately. Did you guys just randomly forget how many battles the SH went through. None of the other SuperNova even compare to be honest. The Strawhats have defeated Buggy, Morgan, Alvida, Kuro, baroque works, Mr. 1/2, Crocodile, Bellamy, Enel, Cp9, Moria and his crew, impel down for God sake and the war. I promise you Law or Kidd hadn't defeated or even faced 4 Shichibukai in battle. The Strawhats also saw the power of an Admiral(aokiji) way before Kizaru. They already saw the strongest power there is. Especially Luffy and Zoro. Luffy fought alongside the likes of Whitebeard, Jinbei, Crocodile and Ivankov against the worlds strongest while Law and Kidd were pissing off.

The Strawhats didn't need anymore battle experience, they needed training. They would destroy Law or Kidd's crew easily. I've been saying this for the longest. Law and Kidd aren't even as strong as Zoro and we've yet to see Luffy's true power.

I can believe the fact of the SHs being more capable in a fight with the other SN crews .with the fact that they have fought against Admirals and the warlords beating 2 of the warlords before meeting the other SN. And the fact of luffy breaking into and out of Impel down being the first person to ever do and starting a attack on judicial island and leading the most notorious pirates and revolutionaries into battle at marineford. This can be seen as having a lead on the other SN. But after the TS i dont think anybody can just plainly say the SH are stronger then the other SN because we have not be told about what they have been doing in the last 2 years besides law who we have seen to have been preparing to take down DD. So i think the SHs are strong pre time skip but after is a unkown thing

 

[M3J]

The Strawhats didn't need to go to the New World immediately. Did you guys just randomly forget how many battles the SH went through. None of the other SuperNova even compare to be honest. The Strawhats have defeated Buggy, Morgan, Alvida, Kuro, baroque works, Mr. 1/2, Crocodile, Bellamy, Enel, Cp9, Moria and his crew, impel down for God sake and the war. I promise you Law or Kidd hadn't defeated or even faced 4 Shichibukai in battle. The Strawhats also saw the power of an Admiral(aokiji) way before Kizaru. They already saw the strongest power there is. Especially Luffy and Zoro. Luffy fought alongside the likes of Whitebeard, Jinbei, Crocodile and Ivankov against the worlds strongest while Law and Kidd were pissing off.

The Strawhats didn't need anymore battle experience, they needed training. They would destroy Law or Kidd's crew easily. I've been saying this for the longest. Law and Kidd aren't even as strong as Zoro and we've yet to see Luffy's true power.

The manga stated the Supernova have not fought a shichibukai or anyone of great power, or that they have not went through many battles as well? I must have missed it or have a bad memory, as I don't recall the manga stating this.

Pretty sure the Supernova have gone up against enemies like Morgan, Buggy, and much more as well. Beating weak opponents is nothing special, and Luffy lost to Crocodile twice before he beat him. And against Lucci, who knows what would have happened if his crew didn't egg him on to keep fighting? Bellamy is shit, Luffy was resistant to Eneru's lightning, and the crew had to work together and needed the captives whose shadows were taken to beat Moria and Oz. Don't also forget that Law jumped into the war to save Luffy and was attacked by Kizaru. And that Luffy was the only Supernova who had any interest in participating in the war.

It's still unknown who's stronger. Kidd's crew has the higher bounty, but it doesn't mean they're stronger as the extra bounty comes from the damage they have caused. Straw Hats' bounty come from going against the government, which doesn't necessarily mean they're the strongest, just that they pissed off the government too much. But yes, they and the Supernova did need training as all they could do was run against the admirals.


The whole debate about strength is all assumptions, as we have not seen anyone but Straw Hats in action. Last time we did, they all were saved by something when Kizaru invaded Sabondy.

 

[GomuGomu_Getsuga]

Those are some strong arguments lildeboe and M3J. We don't know who or what the other SN have faced the past 2 years but I don't think it should be used so heavily when debating their strengths. The SH absolutely did not go through their trials easily. I was trying to point out that their battle experience was already well beyond the other SN. Judging by Law's strength after two years, I can say comfortably that Luffy/Kidd/Zoro are still the top dogs. The only SN I see rivaling their strength besides Kidd/Law would be Killer, Apoo and Drake. If I had to pick one crew to stand above the SH it would be the Kidd Pirates. I think Kidd is the ONLY SN that could possibly be stronger than Luffy.

 

[M3J]

True, especially considering what Kidd must have gone through and how destructive his crew is. Shows their power. Though, Law did become a shichibukai, the first Supernova to do so, and his devil fruit is still pretty dangerous. If they can survive for this long, then they should be able to hold their own like the Straw Hats.

 

[lildeboe16]

I worded my statement wrong what i was saying was that the SH could be more capable in a fight because of the different enemies they have faced up to Sabony but i didnt mean to have it come off as luffy being stronger then kidd but in experince wise he is probably above kidd and not to downgrade kidd's fight capablilty