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Ok, so I've long had this feeling that the the Senju brothers were overrated by fans, depsite evidence showing them to be inferior to other shinobi.
So, we have Hirashima Senju, leader of the Senju clan, rival to Uchiha Madara, and the First Hokage of Konoha.
Then we have Tobirama Senju, Second Hokage of Konoha.
Hirashima's abilites are as follows:
He possess the Moukton Kekkai Genkai, which allows him to create trees which can bind, pierce, smash, etc. He can literally create forests, as most of the tree's in Konoha were created by him. This technique is a dandy, but for what it's worth, its rather slow, and in Yamato's case at least, is very weak against lightning. (Given it's half of it's make-up is Earth, this makes sense).
Hirashima also seems to be profficient in Genjutsu, as shown when he fought Sarturobi.
His most powerful feat, is his ability to control all 9 of the Biju. This can't be overlooked as its simply fucking awesome haha.
Tobirama, is for what its worth, not his brother. His one amazing feat that he is known for is his master of the Suiton element. He has the ability to create a suiton that usually takes 27 handseals, with 1 or 2. He can also create water out of thin air.
Aside from this, both brothers were said to be exceptional fighters. (What good shinobi's aren't though)
I figure this is a good time to say this before I start talking about why I think they are overrated. Sarturobi Hiruzen, was stated to be the Strongest Hokage ever. It's a fact people, argue it all you want, but he's superior to both of the Senju brothers. In fact, when he was past his prime, he managed to defeat them both in comabt. (And please, they were as powerful as ever, nothing points to them being weaker than they were supposed to be when Orochimaru summoned them.) This alone shows me that they aren't nearly as powerful as orginally thought, IMO anyway.
Also, the Databook explains that they both died young. We have seen thus far only 3 shinobi with diseases, Gekko, Itachi, and Kimimaro. The chances that both of these brothers had diseases then, is slim to none if you ask me, especially since it was never mentioned. Logic would tell us then, they were both killed in battle by superior shinobi.
Now before I pick on Hirashima, because for what it's worth, he is actually talented, I'm going to shit on Tobirama.
Tobirama's claim to fame is that he's such a good Suiton user. Wow, guess what, Kakashi, Kisame, and Darui, have all shown they can do exactly what Tobirama can do with said element. And in Kisame's case, he can outdo Tobirama in just about every sense with said element. Darui and Kakashi both seem to have a lightning affinity, and can use Suiton to a degree, just as good as Tobirama did. His one advantage was cutting down the handseals to preform an A rank Suiton, but both Kakashi and Darui are seen using a suiton with just a few or one handseals. (This is hard to tell, because Kishi doesn't normally spend time on handseals anymore.)
In any event, his abilities don't have the same wow factor as many shinobi nowadays. And shinobi of the manga today, are much more versatile than he was, for example, look at Kakashi.
I think he was BY FAR, the weakest of all the Hokages there have ever been, and that includes Kakashi seeing as he is the new Hokage.
Now Hirashima. For what it's worth, this guy was a beast. But just because he defeated Madara in a fight we know nothing about, doesn't mean he's now somehow stronger than everyone.
His ability to control tailed beasts is astonishing, but should we really caluclate that into his actual strength? If he has no tailed beasts around to control, his overall jutsu arsenal seems rather weak, no?
As for his fight against Madara, it would seem he went up against large odds and won, but we don't know anything about said fight, so how are we truly able to judge? We also don't know anything about Madara's old abilities, which could be play a big factor into what happened. We also don't know who could control the Kyuubi better, Hirashima or Madara. Madara seemed to bring it to the fight, but that doesn't mean Hirashima didn't end up controlling it. And for what its worth, Madara is still alvie and kicking, so Hirahsima might have won the fight, but he failed to kill Madara.
If we knew nothing about Hidan and Shika's fight, but we knew about their abilities, and we saw the Shika won, wouldn't that turn some heads? How did he defeat an opponent superior to him in nearly every way? As we know, Shika planned ahead and had the battle field ready. Similar circumstances could have helped Hirashima defeat Madara.
In any event, I believe they are highly overrated. Hirashima was good, but not the best like many believe, and Tobirama seems like he was trash compared to the other Hokages.
Discuss, and keep it civil no flame wars please.
So, we have Hirashima Senju, leader of the Senju clan, rival to Uchiha Madara, and the First Hokage of Konoha.
Then we have Tobirama Senju, Second Hokage of Konoha.
Hirashima's abilites are as follows:
He possess the Moukton Kekkai Genkai, which allows him to create trees which can bind, pierce, smash, etc. He can literally create forests, as most of the tree's in Konoha were created by him. This technique is a dandy, but for what it's worth, its rather slow, and in Yamato's case at least, is very weak against lightning. (Given it's half of it's make-up is Earth, this makes sense).
Hirashima also seems to be profficient in Genjutsu, as shown when he fought Sarturobi.
His most powerful feat, is his ability to control all 9 of the Biju. This can't be overlooked as its simply fucking awesome haha.
Tobirama, is for what its worth, not his brother. His one amazing feat that he is known for is his master of the Suiton element. He has the ability to create a suiton that usually takes 27 handseals, with 1 or 2. He can also create water out of thin air.
Aside from this, both brothers were said to be exceptional fighters. (What good shinobi's aren't though)
I figure this is a good time to say this before I start talking about why I think they are overrated. Sarturobi Hiruzen, was stated to be the Strongest Hokage ever. It's a fact people, argue it all you want, but he's superior to both of the Senju brothers. In fact, when he was past his prime, he managed to defeat them both in comabt. (And please, they were as powerful as ever, nothing points to them being weaker than they were supposed to be when Orochimaru summoned them.) This alone shows me that they aren't nearly as powerful as orginally thought, IMO anyway.
Also, the Databook explains that they both died young. We have seen thus far only 3 shinobi with diseases, Gekko, Itachi, and Kimimaro. The chances that both of these brothers had diseases then, is slim to none if you ask me, especially since it was never mentioned. Logic would tell us then, they were both killed in battle by superior shinobi.
Now before I pick on Hirashima, because for what it's worth, he is actually talented, I'm going to shit on Tobirama.
Tobirama's claim to fame is that he's such a good Suiton user. Wow, guess what, Kakashi, Kisame, and Darui, have all shown they can do exactly what Tobirama can do with said element. And in Kisame's case, he can outdo Tobirama in just about every sense with said element. Darui and Kakashi both seem to have a lightning affinity, and can use Suiton to a degree, just as good as Tobirama did. His one advantage was cutting down the handseals to preform an A rank Suiton, but both Kakashi and Darui are seen using a suiton with just a few or one handseals. (This is hard to tell, because Kishi doesn't normally spend time on handseals anymore.)
In any event, his abilities don't have the same wow factor as many shinobi nowadays. And shinobi of the manga today, are much more versatile than he was, for example, look at Kakashi.
I think he was BY FAR, the weakest of all the Hokages there have ever been, and that includes Kakashi seeing as he is the new Hokage.
Now Hirashima. For what it's worth, this guy was a beast. But just because he defeated Madara in a fight we know nothing about, doesn't mean he's now somehow stronger than everyone.
His ability to control tailed beasts is astonishing, but should we really caluclate that into his actual strength? If he has no tailed beasts around to control, his overall jutsu arsenal seems rather weak, no?
As for his fight against Madara, it would seem he went up against large odds and won, but we don't know anything about said fight, so how are we truly able to judge? We also don't know anything about Madara's old abilities, which could be play a big factor into what happened. We also don't know who could control the Kyuubi better, Hirashima or Madara. Madara seemed to bring it to the fight, but that doesn't mean Hirashima didn't end up controlling it. And for what its worth, Madara is still alvie and kicking, so Hirahsima might have won the fight, but he failed to kill Madara.
If we knew nothing about Hidan and Shika's fight, but we knew about their abilities, and we saw the Shika won, wouldn't that turn some heads? How did he defeat an opponent superior to him in nearly every way? As we know, Shika planned ahead and had the battle field ready. Similar circumstances could have helped Hirashima defeat Madara.
In any event, I believe they are highly overrated. Hirashima was good, but not the best like many believe, and Tobirama seems like he was trash compared to the other Hokages.
Discuss, and keep it civil no flame wars please.
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