Arkyung's Connection With Rachel

[asmodias]

Long time manhwa reader here. I've been keeping up with the anime.

So in the latest anime episode, Arkyung felt pain in the exact spot that Rachel was stabbed and disappeared when Rachel lost consciousness. Do you think there's any significance to this?

 

[King Dryst]

Significant in that the anime is now just straight up inventing things that weren't in SIU's story.

 

[asmodias]

Is SIU involved with the anime production?

 

[Irvergnimacokh]

They did what? Wtf is happening?! I need to watch new episode, asap, it’s seems I will be budhart after whatching it. What was Siu even thinking when he supposedly allowed this to happen?

 

[Jack Van Burace]

If my theory on Akryung being Arlene in disguise turns out correct, this makes sense. Rachel could be Arlene's employee, a key Piece to lure Bam towards his goal. This is, by far, the wildest change in the anime. So wild I come to doubt whether this was made up by them or not.

 

[divica]

wtf happened in the episode!?

That is so diferente from the webtoon! And siu reintroduced ghost at the beguining of season 3 kind of when the anime was being planed no? I doubt this is a coincidence...

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The only thing I can think about is that ghost made some kind of deal with rachel. He gets some of her powers as na irregular being able to use black hole shpere and she gets to be protected by him so that if anything happens to her it also happens to him?

 

[Irvergnimacokh]

wtf happened in the episode!?

That is so diferente from the webtoon! And siu reintroduced ghost at the beguining of season 3 kind of when the anime was being planed no? I doubt this is a coincidence...

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The only thing I can think about is that ghost made some kind of deal with rachel. He gets some of her powers as na irregular being able to use black hole shpere and she gets to be protected by him so that if anything happens to her it also happens to him?

You can't explain this failure. If hey were connected why she even needed to find white or her personal thorn? All we know from manhua, Akryung were given to Rachel so she could pass initial testes for Evankhells stage, before she will join FUG.

 

[divica]

You can't explain this failure. If hey were connected why she even needed to find white or her personal thorn? All we know from manhua, Akryung were given to Rachel so she could pass initial testes for Evankhells stage, before she will join FUG.

We also know he can use black hole sphere and only irregulars should be able to do it.
And given that he doesn t care about rachel we can assume that whatever connection they shared stoped after floor 2.
I don t think it is that strange that rachel agreed to some deal in order to get ghost's help to pass the second floor.

 

[Irvergnimacokh]

We also know he can use black hole sphere and only irregulars should be able to do it.
And given that he doesn t care about rachel we can assume that whatever connection they shared stoped after floor 2.
I don t think it is that strange that rachel agreed to some deal in order to get ghost's help to pass the second floor.

They invented absolutely new thing, that can create big plot-holes in the story.

 

[kkck]

I think the animators simply wanted to not animate akryung further and came up with whatever to not have to draw him in future backgrounds.

 

[divica]

I think the animators simply wanted to not animate akryung further and came up with whatever to not have to draw him in future backgrounds.

The interesting thing is how akryung appeared recently in the comics after being Mia for years. That shouldn t be a coincidence. That and this change in the anime should be related.

They invented absolutely new thing, that can create big plot-holes in the story.

Or can explain things. Like why nobody in fug ever cared about training Rachel or fusing her into a weapon. She is still an irregular that could be usefull to kill jahad and his pals!
I like the idea that fug manipulated Rachel to give them something related to being an irregular in exchange for akryung protection in floor 2 and all the help she has always had.

 

[Irvergnimacokh]

The interesting thing is how akryung appeared recently in the comics after being Mia for years. That shouldn t be a coincidence. That and this change in the anime should be related.



Or can explain things. Like why nobody in fug ever cared about training Rachel or fusing her into a weapon. She is still an irregular that could be usefull to kill jahad and his pals!
I like the idea that fug manipulated Rachel to give them something related to being an irregular in exchange for akryung protection in floor 2 and all the help she has always had.

Then her decision to jump on Gustangs side will be even more stupid, because she literally gave up powers she had(trough all story she dream to have powers. why would she gave up something she already had and dreamed), that she dreamed about, for shady contract with Gustang. Also, it was stated that akryung were given by Headon, not FUG. Also, she is irregular only by de jure papers, but de facto she do not have any powers that other irregulars had, because she did not open the gates for herself, it was Baam who opened them for her. Basically she do not have anything to exchange for Akryungs help, or later for FUG, in terms of raw irregular powers. The cause of this all discussions are SIU's ways of writing story, when he is giving some answers, but in reality, with them, he ain't answering at all, quite contrary his answers were creating more questions later. If they did manage to put this course correction into anime, then for me it's just post-factum change in lore, which I hate, because I love consistency. Of course it's not JK Roulling level of changes, but still it ain't making them something good or acceptable for me. It's a cheap trick.

 

[kkck]

I am generally of the idea that rachel does in fact enjoy the full magnitude of benefits and privileges that regulars enjoy. But so far she simply has not had the talents or means to abuse said privileges. I doubt fug can take advantage of said privileges and I doubt they can be taken away. Even when karaka tried to melt bam the aim would most likely be to have a weapon not bound by the same contracts and rules as normal tower residents rather than something that has some sort of irregular power... At least that is how I interpreted that bit anyways.

The best help gustang could possibly give rachel is help her find whatever iota of talent she might have... Though I still think she will ask gustang to give her the 3 things she tried to get through the hell train arc. Revolution, a thorn piece and a hot body....

 

[divica]

Then her decision to jump on Gustangs side will be even more stupid, because she literally gave up powers she had(trough all story she dream to have powers. why would she gave up something she already had and dreamed), that she dreamed about, for shady contract with Gustang. Also, it was stated that akryung were given by Headon, not FUG. Also, she is irregular only by de jure papers, but de facto she do not have any powers that other irregulars had, because she did not open the gates for herself, it was Baam who opened them for her. Basically she do not have anything to exchange for Akryungs help, or later for FUG, in terms of raw irregular powers. The cause of this all discussions are SIU's ways of writing story, when he is giving some answers, but in reality, with them, he ain't answering at all, quite contrary his answers were creating more questions later. If they did manage to put this course correction into anime, then for me it's just post-factum change in lore, which I hate, because I love consistency. Of course it's not JK Roulling level of changes, but still it ain't making them something good or acceptable for me. It's a cheap trick.

First, we saw in the webtoon that akryung is with fug because he was with the elder's team.

Second, fug's interest in irregulars is because they can kill jahad not because of their powers but because they are from the outside. That is why they wanted to fuse baam to the thorn. That way they would have a weapon capable of killing the 10FH. That is why it was always weird that they never cared about Rachel... On the other hand if she gave this ability to akryung somehow it would explain stuff. And from her pov the ability to kill the 10FH due to coming from the outside is kind of useless. If they offered her help climbing the tower in return for it why would she refuse?

Third, we have no idea if Rachel will stay with gustang or if he even wants her. She was just lucky that gustang took from her things he wanted and offered her wishes in return...

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I am generally of the idea that rachel does in fact enjoy the full magnitude of benefits and privileges that regulars enjoy. But so far she simply has not had the talents or means to abuse said privileges. I doubt fug can take advantage of said privileges and I doubt they can be taken away. Even when karaka tried to melt bam the aim would most likely be to have a weapon not bound by the same contracts and rules as normal tower residents rather than something that has some sort of irregular power... At least that is how I interpreted that bit anyways.

The best help gustang could possibly give rachel is help her find whatever iota of talent she might have... Though I still think she will ask gustang to give her the 3 things she tried to get through the hell train arc. Revolution, a thorn piece and a hot body....

But fug is much more interested in the ability to not have to obey the tower contracts than some op ability. The ability of using black hole shinsu should come from the ability to ignore the contracts and rules of the tower for example.

If that ability could be traded it would explain a lot of things related to rachel. Because if she still has that ability she should have been melted or put into intensive training.

 

[Jack Van Burace]

You guys are assuming things that were never said:
-We don't know why Akryung was with Rachel or even If It was with her.
-We don't know If FUG had a plan to use irregulars or Just Arlene and only Bam.

We have to stick with confirmed facts to make assumptions from there, not turning assumptions into facts.

 

[Irvergnimacokh]

First, we saw in the webtoon that akryung is with fug because he was with the elder's team.

Second, fug's interest in irregulars is because they can kill jahad not because of their powers but because they are from the outside. That is why they wanted to fuse baam to the thorn. That way they would have a weapon capable of killing the 10FH. That is why it was always weird that they never cared about Rachel... On the other hand if she gave this ability to akryung somehow it would explain stuff. And from her pov the ability to kill the 10FH due to coming from the outside is kind of useless. If they offered her help climbing the tower in return for it why would she refuse?

Third, we have no idea if Rachel will stay with gustang or if he even wants her. She was just lucky that gustang took from her things he wanted and offered her wishes in return...

Him being with FUG or showing up next to them means nothing, he can easily be Headons eyes into FUG or spy for Rachel. We don't know anything it's all theories or assumptions.

They didn't use her and refused to turn Baam into one, because they don't knew that this weapon will be too strong to pull of the job or not. Only small part of FUG actually wanted to melt Baam with the thorn, Also, if plan don't work they will loose the best shot to kill Zahard, when in reverse, they can grow controllable irregular, whom they can artificially weaponize step by step. Also, how could be the ability to kill the king be useless for her if she literally said that she will be the one who will make Arlens dream come true, in which killing the king are priority number 1(or having base ability to do so). It will nullify the base purpose for her climb if she can't kill the king. Also Rachel will never accept to gave up power that she have in a equal level as Baam because of her base core trait as jealous bi..ch. What you are purposing here is contradictory to what we seen in the mahwa on Rachels part of story(to be perfectly clear).

It doesn't matter will she stay with Gustang or won't (although considering Gustangs way of thinking, he wouldn't let her any choice, except being his personal working slave). the problem here is that, by your words, she basically must gave up her only power that was equal to Baams(aka ability to kill the king, potentially), just to have comfortable ways to climb the tower? For what? It will ruin her main character trait that were driving her to go upwards, aka the need to see starts(no powers, no killing the king, no killed king no stars, it easy equation to draw in mind). If she gave up that power, why would she want to have thorn for herself? We knew that only irregulars can use it(to kill the king), and Rachel is anything but not retard or stupid.

 

[Demonspeed]

According to this interview, they did contact SIU but these Akryung changes don't really bother me, if it's an actual tease for the future, cool, if not, it's cool as well. There is not much about him to begin with. The only adaptational change which I really disliked was Baam attacking Hwa Ryun because it was completely out of character.

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They invented absolutely new thing, that can create big plot-holes in the story.

Akryung shone more in S3 by using Shinwonryu than he ever did in S1. I don't see how these things can create a plot hole. It's not like they'll adapt S2 stuff anyway.

 

[Irvergnimacokh]

According to this interview, they did contact SIU but these Akryung changes don't really bother me, if it's an actual tease for the future, cool, if not, it's cool as well. There is not much about him to begin with. The only adaptational change which I really disliked was Baam attacking Hwa Ryun because it was completely out of character.

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Akryung shone more in S3 by using Shinwonryu than he ever did in S1. I don't see how these things can create a plot hole. It's not like they'll adapt S2 stuff anyway.

This connection(if it was planned and known by Rachel) will ruin Rachel character arc, how I explained earlier. Why would Rachel join FUG and try to find White as companion or thorn for herself if Akryung was "part" of her, but if this were made out of her will and will end immediately after 1 season ends(I don't know whit what they will made it possible or clear) then we can say that this was mistake and move on. But even considering what they already shown. In crown battle Rachel was hit by Hwa Ryun and even lost consciousness, but Akryung was perfectly OK. Isn't it contradicting with the 9-episode?

 

[divica]

Him being with FUG or showing up next to them means nothing, he can easily be Headons eyes into FUG or spy for Rachel. We don't know anything it's all theories or assumptions.

They didn't use her and refused to turn Baam into one, because they don't knew that this weapon will be too strong to pull of the job or not. Only small part of FUG actually wanted to melt Baam with the thorn, Also, if plan don't work they will loose the best shot to kill Zahard, when in reverse, they can grow controllable irregular, whom they can artificially weaponize step by step. Also, how could be the ability to kill the king be useless for her if she literally said that she will be the one who will make Arlens dream come true, in which killing the king are priority number 1(or having base ability to do so). It will nullify the base purpose for her climb if she can't kill the king. Also Rachel will never accept to gave up power that she have in a equal level as Baam because of her base core trait as jealous bi..ch. What you are purposing here is contradictory to what we seen in the mahwa on Rachels part of story(to be perfectly clear).

It doesn't matter will she stay with Gustang or won't (although considering Gustangs way of thinking, he wouldn't let her any choice, except being his personal working slave). the problem here is that, by your words, she basically must gave up her only power that was equal to Baams(aka ability to kill the king, potentially), just to have comfortable ways to climb the tower? For what? It will ruin her main character trait that were driving her to go upwards, aka the need to see starts(no powers, no killing the king, no killed king no stars, it easy equation to draw in mind). If she gave up that power, why would she want to have thorn for herself? We knew that only irregulars can use it(to kill the king), and Rachel is anything but not retard or stupid.

Khell can see fate. It would be even more awkward for him to be walking around with a traitor. And arkyung can regenerate himself,teletransport and use black hole sphere. Certainly people in his team have seen him doing it before and fug member know about it. They must know how he has these abilities that not even baam has ( baam can t even teletransport without the thorn).

Another important thing is that we have never seen rachel say she wants to kill jahad. She is always talking about wanting to reach the top but I seriously can t see her risking her life to fight in several wars and kill jahad...
Besides, rachel needed help to pass the second floor and climb the rest of the tower. If she had to trade something she doesn t even know is usefull to climb the tower why shouldn t she do it? Or do you think floor 1 rachel knew about jahad's imortality and all the measures he took to garante people couldn t keep climbing? As far as we know at the moment she doesn t even know what is revolution or black hole sphere and I doubt gustang will waste his time teaching the vermin (in his words).

I think you are seeing the ability to ignore the contracts and rules of the tower as a huge power but unless a person is naturally talented it isn t that usefull. Baam took months to learn black hole sphere and he is a genious at manipulating shinsu. How much time do you think someone like rachel would need?would she even be able to do it? On the other fug's help it is something much more usefull for her.

In the end I think it will depend on what siu wants to do with rachel. But her having become a regular would definetly explain fug aproach with her...

 

[Jubei_Kibagami]

I just want to know why they made Akryung Rak's height. In S1 he was meant as a foil for Rak, and someone Rak literally looked up to in a competing way. Part of Rak's character is he's always seeking the largest prey, again, literally.

Akryung is lalmost twice non-chibi Rak's height in the 'toon.

But instead they made an over-the-top responsive, emotive, shorter, chocolate-eating, shared-sensations (with Rachel), worrywort chibi Akryung for some reason.