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Well with recent chapter being confirmed not real, it basically wraps up the case then.
Star Dress Mix was entirely real. Horologium is a last ditch save that only activates if Lucy is facing certain death. Which means the attack Kyria used to slash through Star Dress Mix attack was going to hit the real Lucy and kill her. It was all real, Gemini did not take her place until after Mix and more importantly, after Kyria's death strike was cast.

To begin with, Gemini isn't even an illusion, Gemini doesn't have illusion powers, everything it does is %100 real, so even if it was Gemini before then(cant have been) that just means Gemini broke the floor, not Lucy, which is even worse lmao.
 

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Nope. Lucy using Lion Maiden wasn't an illusion. Horologium only interfered when Lucy in a great danger. He interfered when she was about to be cut in half.
That does not explain Gemini as that is not how that works
Star Dress Mix was entirely real. Horologium is a last ditch save that only activates if Lucy is facing certain death. Which means the attack Kyria used to slash through Star Dress Mix attack was going to hit the real Lucy and kill her. It was all real, Gemini did not take her place until after Mix and more importantly, after Kyria's death strike was cast.

To begin with, Gemini isn't even an illusion, Gemini doesn't have illusion powers, everything it does is %100 real, so even if it was Gemini before then(cant have been) that just means Gemini broke the floor, not Lucy, which is even worse lmao.
It was not real as that is not how that works especially when it served to just distracted Kyria, Lucy was not even surprised as to what happened, she just said her clothings are gone as if she knew she knew she was saved but forgot about that part, we don’t see Gemini summoned before other times, that would only mean that Lucy was saved before using the star dress mix as Kyria was that dangerous. Making the attack not real, just like the blood shown before transforming back. I was not using illusion in the literally sense but said not real which is why it is not an actually attack. Well considering that Gottfried is real, that makes Lucy multi-Solar System level strong as it basically influences constellations. lol, and that would make Laxus weaker than Kyria since she can casually cut through Laxus no problem And he was down.
 
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That does not explain Gemini as that is not how that works


It was not real as that is not how that works especially when it served to just distracted Kyria, Lucy was not even surprised as to what happened, she just said her clothings are gone as if she knew she knew she was saved but forgot about that part, we don’t see Gemini summoned before other times, that would only mean that Lucy was saved before using the star dress mix as Kyria was that dangerous. Making the attack not real, just like the blood shown before transforming back. I was not using illusion in the literally sense but said not real which is why it is not an actually attack. Well considering that Gottfried is real, that makes Lucy multi-Solar System level strong as it basically influences constellations. lol, and that would make Laxus weaker than Kyria since she can casually cut through Laxus no problem And he was down.
Literally impossible. Horologium doesn't emerge unless Lucy is facing certain death, not when facing a stronger opponent, not when facing a dangerous attack, Horologium appears when Lucy is facing death. And the very fact that he appeared confirms that Lucy did cast Star Dress Mix.

How was the attack not real? Gemini doesn't have the ability to create illusions or fake attacks and has no reason to do so. If they had changed into Lucy earlier then there was no reason not to just attack with Lucy's powers and cast Leon Maiden. Your explanation makes zero sense. Either Lucy cast Leon Maiden and broke the floor, or Gemini did and broke the floor. Those are your two options. Pick.
As for the blood, it was real too lol, they copied Lucy, Lucy has blood.
Your Gottfried analogy is so stupid that I can hardly believe you'd make it lmao. What does the visuals of Gottfried have to do with anything? It's a shiny sparkly attack, no planets, no solar systems, just shiny sparkles.

Star Dress Mix was real, we know this for a %100 fact. We can literally read Lucy's monologue as she's casting it and even if you were to make the retarded argument that this was Gemini's monlogue for some dumb reason, that just means Gemini cast the spell and Gemini belongs to Lucy, so it still don't matter.
The level of disingenuousness contained in your argument here is as bad as I've ever seen, you're blatantly ignoring not only the manga's intention, but also just straight up statements, calling an attack "fake" with exactly zero basis, so much so that you have to make up new abilities for Gemini just to justify it. Absolutely pathetic display, but it's fine, because I know with %100 certainty, that you know I'm right.
 

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Literally impossible. Horologium doesn't emerge unless Lucy is facing certain death, not when facing a stronger opponent, not when facing a dangerous attack, Horologium appears when Lucy is facing death. And the very fact that he appeared confirms that Lucy did cast Star Dress Mix.

How was the attack not real? Gemini doesn't have the ability to create illusions or fake attacks and has no reason to do so. If they had changed into Lucy earlier then there was no reason not to just attack with Lucy's powers and cast Leon Maiden. Your explanation makes zero sense. Either Lucy cast Leon Maiden and broke the floor, or Gemini did and broke the floor. Those are your two options. Pick.
As for the blood, it was real too lol, they copied Lucy, Lucy has blood.
Your Gottfried analogy is so stupid that I can hardly believe you'd make it lmao. What does the visuals of Gottfried have to do with anything? It's a shiny sparkly attack, no planets, no solar systems, just shiny sparkles.

Star Dress Mix was real, we know this for a %100 fact. We can literally read Lucy's monologue as she's casting it and even if you were to make the retarded argument that this was Gemini's monlogue for some dumb reason, that just means Gemini cast the spell and Gemini belongs to Lucy, so it still don't matter.
The level of disingenuousness contained in your argument here is as bad as I've ever seen, you're blatantly ignoring not only the manga's intention, but also just straight up statements, calling an attack "fake" with exactly zero basis, so much so that you have to make up new abilities for Gemini just to justify it. Absolutely pathetic display, but it's fine, because I know with %100 certainty, that you know I'm right.
And yet Gemini appeared too which never happened before which means it was preplanned and circumstances changed. the fact that Gemini Lucy did not attempt to defeat Kyria but to make sure she was distracted, would it make any different either way whether it was Lucy or not? the attack was not meant to beat Kyria but to distract her from hurting Lucy, any case, it was not real, let me ask you something, can blood turn to smoke? if not, then it is not real. It ain't visuals when we see it literally affect countless stars, it is even in their enchantments. and you know that light can affect one's perception right? Actually now that I look at it again, even if it was not the case of being a fake attack,, it was just some stray stones, the fact that we do not even see the floor being lifted up like with Wendy's feat would mean that it was just a warped perception of the panel just like the other ones in the same chapter and just some random stones flying by, you seem to be ignoring how the manga intended and changes things overtime as well with what didn't happen before and what they do now. no, it is how Hiro makes things up now rather than how it was established before.
 
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And yet Gemini appeared too which never happened before which means it was preplanned and circumstances changed. the fact that Gemini Lucy did not attempt to defeat Kyria but to make sure she was distracted, would it make any different either way whether it was Lucy or not? the attack was not meant to beat Kyria but to distract her from hurting Lucy, any case, it was not real, let me ask you something, can blood turn to smoke? if not, then it is not real. It ain't visuals when we see it literally affect countless stars, it is even in their enchantments. and you know that light can affect one's perception right? Actually now that I look at it again, even if it was not the case of being a fake attack,, it was just some stray stones, the fact that we do not even see the floor being lifted up like with Wendy's feat would mean that it was just a warped perception of the panel just like the other ones in the same chapter and just some random stones flying by, you seem to be ignoring how the manga intended and changes things overtime as well with what didn't happen before and what they do now. no, it is how Hiro makes things up now rather than how it was established before.
Spirits can summon themselves, they do it all the time.
No, the attack was meant to defeat Kyria, Lucy mentions this explicitly in her monologue. Kyria was overwhelming her in power, so she needed to raise her output to fight her using Star Dress Mix. It was no distraction, it was an attempt to match Kyria's power. And you still haven't addressed the core issues.
1. Horologium doesn't appear unless Lucy is facing death. Whether she's confronted with 3 Demon Gates or Acnologia himself, unless death is imminent, he does not appear.
2. Gemini doesn't have the ability to create illusions and has no reason not to just attack Kyria with Lucy's magic, a real attack is a better distraction. Either Gemini broke the floor or Lucy did. You literally need to make up abilities for Gemini to justify your absurd theory.

What a stupid question. Can hands turn into smoke? Can skin and bone turn into smoke? The answer is yes, in FT they all can, because that's what happens when Gemini returns to their true form, the flesh, blood, bone, even clothes that they copied all disappear in a puff of smoke and Gemini's true form reemerges. This has literally been the case since the start of the manga.
I see a bunch of small lights and one really big light from Gottfried. Most no bigger than the size of your fist and one about as big as a car. In what world does an attack below building size suddenly mean you're solar system tier? Ridiculous.

Ah, finally, a reasonable argument. Yes, it was just stray stone knocked around by Lucy's attack, just like it was with Wendy. OBVIOUSLY this is the case, as if the likes of Wendy and Lucy could break the labyrinth when Natsu can't, what an entirely stupid idea. Ignia is clearly intended as the only character who can currently destroy the labyrinth, this is why he made such a big deal about it.
 

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Spirits can summon themselves, they do it all the time.
No, the attack was meant to defeat Kyria, Lucy mentions this explicitly in her monologue. Kyria was overwhelming her in power, so she needed to raise her output to fight her using Star Dress Mix. It was no distraction, it was an attempt to match Kyria's power. And you still haven't addressed the core issues.
1. Horologium doesn't appear unless Lucy is facing death. Whether she's confronted with 3 Demon Gates or Acnologia himself, unless death is imminent, he does not appear.
2. Gemini doesn't have the ability to create illusions and has no reason not to just attack Kyria with Lucy's magic, a real attack is a better distraction. Either Gemini broke the floor or Lucy did. You literally need to make up abilities for Gemini to justify your absurd theory.

What a stupid question. Can hands turn into smoke? Can skin and bone turn into smoke? The answer is yes, in FT they all can, because that's what happens when Gemini returns to their true form, the flesh, blood, bone, even clothes that they copied all disappear in a puff of smoke and Gemini's true form reemerges. This has literally been the case since the start of the manga.
I see a bunch of small lights and one really big light from Gottfried. Most no bigger than the size of your fist and one about as big as a car. In what world does an attack below building size suddenly mean you're solar system tier? Ridiculous.

Ah, finally, a reasonable argument. Yes, it was just stray stone knocked around by Lucy's attack, just like it was with Wendy. OBVIOUSLY this is the case, as if the likes of Wendy and Lucy could break the labyrinth when Natsu can't, what an entirely stupid idea. Ignia is clearly intended as the only character who can currently destroy the labyrinth, this is why he made such a big deal about it.
and yet we do not see Gemini summoned along with automatic safety thing with Horologium, no it was not as Gemini was already there and Lucy was out of the Picture until Horologium was gone. That does not mean anything after timeskip where things changed and Gemini was applied before hand, like how Hades was not surprised when Wendy disappeared unless that was the intended affect of his spell which case cancels out what you are thinking. I already addressed that it was not an illusion, just not real attack as you seemed to have overlooked. there is nothing made up when the attack was not intended to defeat her as to save her as Lucy did not even question it. That’s not how blades work unless that is what Kyria intended, no blood does not turn to smoke and disappeared, everything works as naturally as real world does, the fact that it was a fake out would give that away. Size does not matter just like how in the eclipse arc we see Gottfried literally move stars and constellations, so that is Mutli-Solar System level. I am genuinely surprised this was the only reasonable argument when there were plenty before, anyway, with Lucy it was stray rocks, with Wendy they are not as they are literally broken out of the ground as seen in that clear panel and not and obscured one from Lucy, nothing suggests Wendy can’t.
 
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So Lucy's feat which is far more destructive visually is stray stones but Wendy's feat is legit part of the labyrinth ? Talk about double standards bias

@Seven777 I praise your commitment to argue with him but I wouldn't bother anymore. If he's gonna go in that route, your asking for a endless round about, he'll just spew whatever to keep arguing for arguments sake.

OT - Selene still stomps as usual
 

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So Lucy's feat which is far more destructive visually is stray stones but Wendy's feat is legit part of the labyrinth ? Talk about double standards bias

@Seven777 I praise your commitment to argue with him but I wouldn't bother anymore. If he's gonna go in that route, your asking for a endless round about, he'll just spew whatever to keep arguing for arguments sake.

OT - Selene still stomps as usual
how is it more destructive? They are roughly the same size, besides we see stray stones after Wendy broke the ground and when they move around after the Labyrinth moved, so it is consistant And not bias.

So you are saying that Kyria is stronger than DDKs?

anyway August and Irene takes this
 
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Selene negs both.

Human Irene was hurt by DF Wendy, imagine if Selene touches her.

Let's not talk about Dragon Form who was one-shot by half dead Erza.

August didn't even want to fight Acno, what is he doing to Selene.

Selene gives them Georg treatment.
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Spriggan wank is this forum is absolutely hilarious.
 

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Selene mid-diff.
 

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Selene eats the Spriggan 12 for breakfast.
 

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If Selene goes Dragon form, she wins
 

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Lemme guess. Selene with human form only loses?
Considering that going by the assumed statement of Selene she is weaker than DDK in human form, then by scaling August and Irene would be higher as their real power surpasses that of the DDK.
 

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Considering that going by the assumed statement of Selene she is weaker than DDK in human form, then by scaling August and Irene would be higher as their real power surpasses that of the DDK.
Show me proof or stop claiming bs.
 

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Show me proof or stop claiming bs.
Wendy with her potential magic released could defeat Haku who is the same level as the other DDK, who Suzaku could beat Selene in her human form (presumably), Selene stated that Irene’s own MP is on a level that is hazardous to Wendy. By scaling, Irene and August are above DDK, and thus above human Selene level.
 

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Wendy with her potential magic released could defeat Haku who is the same level as the other DDK, who Suzaku could beat Selene in her human form (presumably), Selene stated that Irene’s own MP is on a level that is hazardous to Wendy. By scaling, Irene and August are above DDK, and thus above human Selene level.
Just because Wendy can beat Haku doesn't mean she can beat the other Knights. Haku clearly held back due to his feelings and she had a counter to his main magic. She was getting owned and would've lost had Irene not jumped in. Don't really see how she does anything better than getting stomped against the other 3.

Do you believe all the Knights are relative in stats?
 

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Just because Wendy can beat Haku doesn't mean she can beat the other Knights. Haku clearly held back due to his feelings and she had a counter to his main magic. She was getting owned and would've lost had Irene not jumped in. Don't really see how she does anything better than getting stomped against the other 3.

Do you believe all the Knights are relative in stats?
Only Kirin is likely above the rest, but even then it is not by a wide margin to be outside the same tier. He still used his powe rto hold down Wendy, he just did not want to punch her, he still used strength, Irene still used Wendy’s magic power to help. They have been stated to be relative to each other, and we know that MP is relative to their physical stats. So yeah.
 

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I can see Eileen and august winning if they're smart but considering how braindead both are selene takes this in human and dragon form. Men who knows if the slayer knights are really human selene level? I'll just wait until I see vierness
 

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Just because Wendy can beat Haku doesn't mean she can beat the other Knights. Haku clearly held back due to his feelings and she had a counter to his main magic. She was getting owned and would've lost had Irene not jumped in. Don't really see how she does anything better than getting stomped against the other 3.

Do you believe all the Knights are relative in stats?
Tbh I don't think so. They were never really stated to be equal or relative. It was stated there were others like Suzaku. It's possibly mean there the s class or the 4 strongest wizards in the guild.
For example, Only Kirin and Misaki were compared to Gildarts. If the others were Gildarts level it would have been stated.
Haku was knocked out by sky drill, Suzaku tanked attacks from dragon gods, Misaki tanked Erza heaven wheels armor that was equal to Red lightning without a single scratch. Kirin tanked Red lightning.
Wendy may be strong but her attack power and durability is awful compared to Laxus Erza and Natsu. Lucy may have more attack and durability than Wendy but loses to hax.
 
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