Fantasy August Runs Gauntlet

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Not really, even after Eileen went dragon August is acknowledged as the most powerful spriggan.
Editor notes just contribute to all those other factors. Individually I wouldn't buy them, but cumulatively it's pretty clear what the manga is saying.
August is more objective and reliable than Ajeel. As for Deus Sema, Gildarts wasn't on the battlefield by that point, and Erza was prob more referring to Wendy and the nameless fodders the panel showed. Deus Sema might've killed Laxus if it hit him considering Erza thought it would kill her too, but Laxus and Gildarts could obviously break it as she did since they're both stronger than her.
Gildarts is stronger than Erza. Even 100YQ Gildarts is still stronger than a much stronger Erza. PoF Natsu against Zeref used the power of the guild.
Silver beats Kyoka with DeS advantage, but in general yes, Kyoka is stronger. Silver is Gray tier, Kyoka is Erza tier.
Stop whining about Erza. August as a human is Dragon Eileen's match/superior without DS magic, with it he massacres her.
August has the feats of DS.
Editor notes arent note worthy, stop scrapping at the bottom of the barrel to get something

August aint reliable when praising himself

Stop wanking laxus. Laxus nor gildart have even near feat to break deus sema.


August has no feat of DS. August doesnt even have speed feat like irene nor have any brute strength feat as irene.

As far as cannon is concerned, not in your dream world, human irene was said to be equal to August. Hell there is a possibility that even August doesnt know about irene being dragon.

Add lovely fact that August has never nullified magic from mage as strong as irene, never copied magic from mage as powerful as irene.
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While you are right in that we have no official confirmation that August copied Serena/Meteor - if it looks like a duck, walks like a duck and sounds like a duck, its probably a duck.

As for Melt not looking like Serena's Magic, in shape I agree but the flames look exactly the same and its shown in the background when Gildarts figures out that August copies and nullifies Magic. There's also the weird comment about God Serena still being with him. All of this might not be outright confirmation, but it heavily suggests that Melt is DS Magic.

August's 'Meteor' is a stranger case. It does the same thing as Meteor and looks exactly the same but its just coloured differently.

Can anyone else confirm if any of August's other copied spells change colour? I can't remember any other instance of this.

That's just massive PIS tbh. I hate using the argument of PIS but August is a stupidly broken character and would wreck anyone who isn't God-tier.

Bruh, I'm the biggest wanker of MBPs on this site but Levy survived a battle where she was constantly being exposed to them... :yodawg

And while its true he can't copy Curses, he doesn't really need to. Melt could one-shot everyone aside from Mard and maybe Silver/Kyouka. The only scenario I can see August losing in is if he doesn't get serious and lets Mard cast Memento Mori, but that's ridiculously unlikely IMO. Outside of that their attacks shouldn't scratch him, this is the same guy that got attacked by Alvarez Gildarts' strongest spell and only suffered a bloody lip, and that's at worst since in the anime he doesn't even have that lol.
But it does t look like a duck
Meteor could be anything that speed a mage up. Even racer was glowing in the pannel you provided.
Melt also looks nothing like serena magic.

Baside how is
Base dragon slayer defeating a dragon with human form with equal mp as him

As for PIS
Why didnt irene turn erza into a rat as well. Is that pis too.
Cant irene just turn august into a rat
 

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Editor notes arent note worthy, stop scrapping at the bottom of the barrel to get something

August aint reliable when praising himself

Stop wanking laxus. Laxus nor gildart have even near feat to break deus sema.


August has no feat of DS. August doesnt even have speed feat like irene nor have any brute strength feat as irene.

As far as cannon is concerned, not in your dream world, human irene was said to be equal to August. Hell there is a possibility that even August doesnt know about irene being dragon.

Add lovely fact that August has never nullified magic from mage as strong as irene, never copied magic from mage as powerful as irene.
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But it does t look like a duck
Meteor could be anything that speed a mage up. Even racer was glowing in the pannel you provided.
Melt also looks nothing like serena magic.

Baside how is
Base dragon slayer defeating a dragon with human form with equal mp as him

As for PIS
Why didnt irene turn erza into a rat as well. Is that pis too.
Cant irene just turn august into a rat
I don't need the bottom of the barrel, %50 of the barrel contains August>Eileen, with the other %50 saying August=Eileen. Nowhere in the barrel, not even at the very bottom is there anything saying Eileen>August.(the barrel is the manga). Editor text, August's own statement, him being chosen as her superior, him being the last spriggan, him facing Gildarts, him cowing down Eileen herself, having her submit to his will, etc. August>=Eileen, the manga is rather obvious about it.

August is reliable, because he is objective, unbiased. He told Gildarts he was the strongest spriggan 12, so he is.

It's not wanking, just statements of fact. We now have confirmation that Laxus is stronger than Erza and Gildarts(if it wasn't already so laughably obvious) was stated to be stronger than Erza not too long ago as well, so they can both bust Deus Sema.

Eileen has no speed feats, August at least blitzed Gildarts. August does have DS feats, he's used DS magic in the manga.

No, Eileen was stated to be equal to August, you adding "human" to that is just your own fantasy, it's not in the manga.
 

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But it does t look like a duck
Meteor could be anything that speed a mage up.

Even racer was glowing in the pannel you provided.
Like I said, Meteor is the strange case. It looks exactly the same as Jellal's and it does the same thing... the only difference is that its red.

As for Racer, in the anime the glow doesn't appear, its just speed lines:
It wouldn't even make sense for him to glow since his Magic slows down reactions, he doesn't actually become faster.
Melt also looks nothing like serena magic.
Their flames are the same colour and it appears in the background when Gildarts is explaining August's Magic:
There's no reason to put in a spell that wasn't copied in that panel, and the only Fire Magic August ever saw was Serena's Purgatory DS Magic.
Baside how is Base dragon slayer defeating a dragon with human form with equal mp as him
Firstly, durability doesn't scale with Magic Power, otherwise the Spriggans' should have all been as durable or even more durable that Madmole.

Secondly, the whole point of Dragon Slaying is beating Dragons, who virtually always have much more MP than the Slayer themselves, so DS Magic would be completely redundant if MP played such a huge factor.
As for PIS
Why didnt irene turn erza into a rat as well. Is that pis too.
The only time she did that was outside of battle, and it was done to absolute fodder. Even if I'm being generous I have no reason to believe she could do that to someone on Wendy's tier, let alone Erza's.

That aside, it would be PIS. But there's no reason to ignore the argument above, especially the bit about it being a spell she's never displayed in combat.
Cant irene just turn august into a rat
Even if the above argument didn't exist, no. Enchant isn't Holder Magic so August wouldn't be affected.
 

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Makes it Zeref.
 

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Stalemates Dragon Irene if he doesn't have Dragon Slaying Magic , if he does have then he wins.

Stops at Zeref.

Although I don't know why users on this forum are downplaying Zeref so much as if they had some grudge against him .... I hope it's a joke.
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Hey @Jko why did you leave Comicvine btw.
 

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Stalemates Dragon Irene if he doesn't have Dragon Slaying Magic , if he does have then he wins.

Stops at Zeref.

Although I don't know why users on this forum are downplaying Zeref so much as if they had some grudge against him .... I hope it's a joke.
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Hey @Jko why did you leave Comicvine btw.
It's a joke lmao.

Also, personally for me, I'm salty that the legendary MAGE who invents spells didn't use a single named spell against Natsu and relied on fucking physical attacks.
The entire fight was shit and Zeref was defeated in the end by Natsu, solo. Blame it on the writer, or whatever, but the guy is completely ruined. What a waste lmao
 

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It's a joke lmao.

Also, personally for me, I'm salty that the legendary MAGE who invents spells didn't use a single named spell against Natsu and relied on fucking physical attacks.
The entire fight was shit and Zeref was defeated in the end by Natsu, solo. Blame it on the writer, or whatever, but the guy is completely ruined. What a waste lmao
Yeah I know , that's probably the second most pathetic fight right behind 7 Dragon Slayers vs Acnologia. Where a guy "immune" to magic got beaten by magic. I didn't have the honour to taste the salt when the chapters were being released because I read FT after it was completed.

But still , if we take the fight seriously and analyse it properly , then Zeref actually oneshotted Natsu in his base form when he cast an actual spell. Discarding all the PIS bullshit that happened before that , Zeref actually has show us that he is capable of oneshotting Natsu. Were it not for Natsu's Dragon Force helping him get out of that spell , Natsu would've been screwed by that attack. And Zeref did it casually.

As for the last part where Natsu burnt through infinite magic , notice Natsu's guild mark was glowing that time , suggesting he might have gotten powers from the guild literally. Similar to how FT granted the Tenrou team powers which no sold Acnologia's strongest attack. So it is justified tbh. Since we know the FT guild is capable of granting powers like this. To top it , Natsu goes out of his way to cite that he is using the power of the guild.

And we don't really know if Natsu can do the same if he's not inside the FT guild. Like , outside the guild. So no proof Natsu can pull something like that off again. And plus Zeref already proved his durability by tanking Igneel Natsu's attacks and fighting with him for some time , so we can't call him fodder . Especially because magic power many a times correlates with durability . ( Except for special cases like Neinhart ) Since we saw how Hades got up again when he had access to his heart.
 

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Yeah I know , that's probably the second most pathetic fight right behind 7 Dragon Slayers vs Acnologia. Where a guy "immune" to magic got beaten by magic. I didn't have the honour to taste the salt when the chapters were being released because I read FT after it was completed.

But still , if we take the fight seriously and analyse it properly , then Zeref actually oneshotted Natsu in his base form when he cast an actual spell. Discarding all the PIS bullshit that happened before that , Zeref actually has show us that he is capable of oneshotting Natsu. Were it not for Natsu's Dragon Force helping him get out of that spell , Natsu would've been screwed by that attack. And Zeref did it casually.

As for the last part where Natsu burnt through infinite magic , notice Natsu's guild mark was glowing that time , suggesting he might have gotten powers from the guild literally. Similar to how FT granted the Tenrou team powers which no sold Acnologia's strongest attack. So it is justified tbh. Since we know the FT guild is capable of granting powers like this. To top it , Natsu goes out of his way to cite that he is using the power of the guild.

And we don't really know if Natsu can do the same if he's not inside the FT guild. Like , outside the guild. So no proof Natsu can pull something like that off again. And plus Zeref already proved his durability by tanking Igneel Natsu's attacks and fighting with him for some time , so we can't call him fodder . Especially because magic power many a times correlates with durability . ( Except for special cases like Neinhart ) Since we saw how Hades got up again when he had access to his heart.
Those are all theories lol.
See? We've to come up with random theories to justify the bullshit that is Zeref. Lul

Most Spriggans ended up fodder as well lol, inspite of having high magic power. Cases like Neinhart, Brandish, Dimaria (maybe, considering END fodderized her) and Jacob are pure magic power and hax, fodder in stats
I'd argue that even for Larcade
 

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Those are all theories lol.
See? We've to come up with random theories to justify the bullshit that is Zeref. Lul

Most Spriggans ended up fodder as well lol. Cases like Neinhart, Brandish, Dimaria (maybe, considering END fodderized her) and Jacob are pure magic power and hax, fodder in stats
Dimaria acc has stats tho.

She can throw hands with a sword
 

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Dimaria acc has stats tho.

She can throw hands with a sword
Could be. She actually fought the Kagura for a while without timestop, but then again Larcade stopped Kagura's unsheathed nemesis or archenemy (or whatever it's name) with a finger. So I don't know, maybe Kagura didn't scale from GMG at all.
 

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Could be. She actually fought the Kagura for a while without timestop, but then again Larcade stopped Kagura's unsheathed nemesis or archenemy (or whatever it's name) with a finger. So I don't know, maybe Kagura didn't scale from GMG at all.
Well I consider Larcade to be strong too without his hax.

He was physcially kicking Sting's ass before he got the WSDM power-up and even them Larcade almost killed him
 

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Those are all theories lol.
See? We've to come up with random theories to justify the bullshit that is Zeref. Lul

Most Spriggans ended up fodder as well lol, inspite of having high magic power. Cases like Neinhart, Brandish, Dimaria (maybe, considering END fodderized her) and Jacob are pure magic power and hax, fodder in stats
I'd argue that even for Larcade
Obviously we've to come up with theories , how else do you explain the bullshit that someone who can oneshot Natsu casually and fight with Natsu when he had freakin' Igneel's powers gets beaten by a punch ? In fact , this entire arc is being debated based on theories , you just don't realise it. We still don't know how to quantify hax users or we still don't know for canon whether attack power is proportional to magic power or not. It's not just Zeref , it's the entire arc lol.

And yeah you're right about the Spriggans.
 

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Obviously we've to come up with theories , how else do you explain the bullshit that someone who can oneshot Natsu casually and fight with Natsu when he had freakin' Igneel's powers gets beaten by a punch ? In fact , this entire arc is being debated based on theories , you just don't realise it. We still don't know how to quantify hax users or we still don't know for canon whether attack power is proportional to magic power or not. It's not just Zeref , it's the entire arc lol.
That arc was very inconsistent. It had a lot of asspulls. It became worse after Universe One with all the SP getting back together. Laxus using red lightning out of nowhere. Laxus himself said he got it by chance in the sequel. Zeref tanked Igneel Natsu then during the second fight he was getting thrown around by base Natsu.
 

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Those are all theories lol.
See? We've to come up with random theories to justify the bullshit that is Zeref. Lul

Most Spriggans ended up fodder as well lol, inspite of having high magic power. Cases like Neinhart, Brandish, Dimaria (maybe, considering END fodderized her) and Jacob are pure magic power and hax, fodder in stats
I'd argue that even for Larcade
The problem with the Spriggans like many other villains is that they relied to much on their magic because once they fought someone that could counter it they lost
 

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The problem with the Spriggans like many other villains is that they relied to much on their magic because once they fought someone that could counter it they lost
I've never seen stomps to this level though.

In every arc, the villains at least put up an fight even after being countered, and in some arcs even overwhelming.
 

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I've never seen stomps to this level though.

In every arc, the villains at least put up an fight even after being countered, and in some arcs even overwhelming.
True and another problem would be they were defeated stupidly.
 

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Tbh, Zeref isn’t really that impressive.

August clears.

Human acno is not one shotting August. Irene held her own against him without the use of dragon slaying magic. Surely a serious August would last longer than any wizard who isn’t immortal against human acno 1 on 1. Tho acno would still win mid-diff in the end.
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Dragons are basically immune to magic. That’s been established and proven several times over.

August can’t beat Gildarts and Laxus. I’m sorry, nothing he’s done convinces me he can beat the two of them working together.
Are you serious? August trashed gildarts adding another caster type mage isn’t going to make any difference.
 

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Human acno is not one shotting August. Irene held her own against him without the use of dragon slaying magic. Surely a serious August would last longer than any wizard who isn’t immortal against human acno 1 on 1. Tho acno would still win mid-diff in the end.
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Yea.....no. Acno was literally chilling against Irene. We've seen Acno serious and no one is lasting more than 5 seconds with him unless you're a DG or Igneel.
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Are you serious? August trashed gildarts adding another caster type mage isn’t going to make any difference.
Don't debate this with him. He believes that EOS Elfman > August.
 
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