Fantasy August vs Irene

[Seven777]

Nothing was implied but a fire spell. August has to see to copy a spell he doesn't just swipe a whole arsenal by glance or he'd known Gild or Midnight's magic before they used them.

Serena is useless, he gets turned into a frog or blitzed. She could just extract his lacrimas using enchantments.

Her Dragon form is her real form. She has to consciously go back into her human form. And August got his whole torso plunged into by Brandish's dagger, and was forced to switch into battle mode while Irene return to human form willingly. She was far from done as she was easily standing before Erza, and PIS stabbed herself so it wasn't a oneshot. Dim timestopped everyone in Hargeonso how does she have more MP than everyone in Hargeon? Also like I said Age Seal is ineffective against a Dragon since magic resistance, and her enchantment have reality warping properties, and have shown to negate hax like Brandish's.

Serena is Erza tier, arguably stronger. So no, he isnt useless, the damage he'll deal will be more than Eileen can handle. Plus Eileen can do whatever she wants to him, August can dismiss and summon God Serena freely, doesnt make a difference. Not to mention all the other DS that fought and died beside Eileen.

However if you are right and Eileen did WILLINGLY turn back into a human after getting slashed by Erza, then maybe she can beat August, maybe. But if all it takes is one DS slash from an Erza+Wendy tier wizard to force Eileen out of dragon form then August definitely wins, all he needs is to summon God Serena for a surprise attack. Being limited to taking 1 single hit of DS magic from an Erza+Wendy tier opponent is too big of a weakness to have any sort of chance at coming out victorious against August.

 

[Ebony Maw]

Serena is Erza tier, arguably stronger. So no, he isnt useless, the damage he'll deal will be more than Eileen can handle. Plus Eileen can do whatever she wants to him, August can dismiss and summon God Serena freely, doesnt make a difference. Not to mention all the other DS that fought and died beside Eileen.

August shouldn't even need to summon any Historias tbh, he saw God Serena's Dragon Slayer spells during Goddy vs GOI.

When you take this into account, August should pretty much stomp her, dragon form or otherwise.

 

[Solitrine]

August takes this easy, even if we make up that Irene can't be hurt by non-DS magic which is completely false anyway, he has seen two Dragon Slayer's magic and we have seen him take the magic of Natsu and implied he took God Serena's magic. If Wendy's exhausted DS magic can make Erza cut clean through Irene then she will be vaporized by August. If we have no plot involved then the fight would be over before Irene can turn dragon anyway.

Kind of disappointing how big of a let down Irene was.

 

[Seven777]

August shouldn't even need to summon any Historias tbh, he saw God Serena's Dragon Slayer spells during Goddy vs GOI.

When you take this into account, August should pretty much stomp her, dragon form or otherwise.

I agree, but i was arguing under the assumption that August doesnt have DS magic.
For some reason people keep saying he cant copy it or something. despite not beiing holder magic. I mean if Neinhart's magic is capable of replicating DS magic through God Serena, then why wouldnt August be able to?

 

[Star Frost]

I agree, but i was arguing under the assumption that August doesnt have DS magic.
For some reason people keep saying he cant copy it or something. despite not beiing holder magic. I mean if Neinhart's magic is capable of replicating DS magic through God Serena, then why wouldnt August be able to?

Well for one how can we be so sure that August had copied Neinhart's magic? I mean like how when Brandish stabbed him, she had used her magic to shrink the wound but thing is why didn't he do it himself if he had copied the Spriggans magic?

 

[Seven777]

Well for one how can we be so sure that August had copied Neinhart's magic?

He was standing with God Serena, Bradman and Wahl's historia in chapter 494.

 

[Ebony Maw]

I agree, but i was arguing under the assumption that August doesnt have DS magic.
For some reason people keep saying he cant copy it or something. despite not beiing holder magic. I mean if Neinhart's magic is capable of replicating DS magic through God Serena, then why wouldnt August be able to?

Ah right, my bad lol.
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August just has so many different ways to win. Base Irene won't even be able to put up that much of a fight because August can just copy and nullify any Enchanting she tries to do. And Dragon Irene is equally screwed since he should have DS magic or Historias, like you said. On top of this, Dragon Irene probably wouldn't be able to hit August, he's pretty fast and agile himself, and failing that he has Meteor. There's also the magic of CS to take into account: Reflector should make his defense almost impenetrable, Sound magic should let him know what Irene is thinking and Racer's Slowing magic can reduce her perceptions (which is scary when combined with a Meteor that can blitz Gildarts). August's Mimic magic is just way too hax.

 

[Solitrine]

Well for one how can we be so sure that August had copied Neinhart's magic? I mean like how when Brandish stabbed him, she had used her magic to shrink the wound but thing is why didn't he do it himself if he had copied the Spriggans magic?

It isn't a good idea going around and displaying how your magic works to everyone. Especially when the enemy has a teleporter nearby like Mest. There'd be no reason for August to show his magic off when Brandish can just do it for him.

 

[Arjuna]

If August has DS Magic then he one shots but if not then Dragon Irene one shots.

This is the difference.

 

[Takuan]

I would really like Hiro to give us more details on how August magic works. I'd like to know exactly how much he can copy.
For instance, some of you guys are under the assumption that Melt was a spell copied from Natsu's DS magic. And to be honest, i never saw things this way. In my eyes this was just a spell he copied from another magic.
I really thought (and still think) August's magic is a better bversion of Rufus's magic. He memorizes every magic he sees, can copy them and negate them. With the only restriction of Holder Types. In that case he has access to pretty much every magic he's seen during his entire life (not just the ones he has seen recently like Meteor etc), he doesn't lose access to these magics. Hence why he's been said to wield every magic.

 

[Star Frost]

He was standing with God Serena, Bradman and Wahl's historia in chapter 494.

That don't mean he copied his magic

It isn't a good idea going around and displaying how your magic works to everyone. Especially when the enemy has a teleporter nearby like Mest. There'd be no reason for August to show his magic off when Brandish can just do it for him.

As far as everyone knows, he's the King of all Magic, not like they'll know he's a Copycat which took holder type attacks to figure it out.

 

[Seven777]

That don't mean he copied his magic


As far as everyone knows, he's the King of all Magic, not like they'll know he's a Copycat which took holder type attacks to figure it out.

Sure it does, the guy is going around telling everyone he knows all magics, choosing not to copy a spell that appears right in front of him would be retarded.

As for why he had Brandish heal him instead of doing it himself, its the same reason he dodges Kana's cards instead of using Reflector, PiS. Either that or its just easier to let Brandish do it for him and easier to dodge than cast Relfector.

 

[The President]

it's clear proof that even having ds doesn't mean you can defeat a dragon.

The strongest DS user back then was a battle worn GMG Laxus. Which is pretty weak by current standards.

when did natsu ever slay a dragon?

He KOd Motherglare.

I dont see where you get you have to be igneel level for august to not beat you in dragon form. Irene herself was said to be able to match(even thought the feats dont say that) august in her human form by brandish(doubt she knows about her dragon form). Her dragon form put her much above that. If you exclude that horrible fight with a shit ton of PIS. She should still beat him with ds.

No, Irene in general was said to match August. Not just in human form. Brandish said it based on MP, which doesn't change for Irene in her forms. And she can match him.....if he doesn't have access to DS magic. If the strongest mage has access to DS magic, I don't see anything short of dragon king level dragons being capable of actually defeating him. Characters far below him likely slayed dragons by the daily 400 years ago and Natsu put one down with some help from Atlas Flame.

 

[Brandish μ]

Just on August' magic, is it fair to say that he can Instantaneous Copy magic on people, but not objects? Holder magic, and magic tools then? Such is Gildarts prosthesis...

Spoiler

So would a magic tool be much different from this?

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In my opinion, Irene made a magic tool via enchantment, albeit briefly. So it's quite possible for Irene to defeat August as a human imo.

However, in a battle, could Irene figure it out? Would she bother affixing magic to a weapon? Or if she used her staff, maybe then she could gather enough info like Gildarts did to form the same hypothesis?

Irene edges on feats. August edges on portrayal. Calling this fairly even.

 

[Seven777]

Just on August' magic, is it fair to say that he can Instantaneous Copy magic on people, but not objects? Holder magic, and magic tools then? Such is Gildarts prosthesis...

Spoiler

So would a magic tool be much different from this?

Spoiler

In my opinion, Irene made a magic tool via enchantment, albeit briefly. So it's quite possible for Irene to defeat August as a human imo.

However, in a battle, could Irene figure it out? Would she bother affixing magic to a weapon? Or if she used her staff, maybe then she could gather enough info like Gildarts did to form the same hypothesis?

Irene edges on feats. August edges on portrayal. Calling this fairly even.

I'd say an enchanted staff would be able to damage August. However her human form's CQC is far less impressive than August's. The guy was tossing enraged Gildarts around like it was nothin. Best Eileen has done with her staff is block attacks from Erza. So even August as is should be able to handily defeat human Eileen in a physical confrontation, add on Meteor, Racer's slow magic, Cobra's precog, Reflector and whatever else he's got and he's basically untouchable to a human Eileen.
Without PiS August is pretty much unstoppable.

Plus like you said, she has to figure it out first, which may not even be possible since she doesnt really attack with her staff. And even if it was, it would take a considerable amount of time, she may have already received too many injuries to make a comeback.

 

[Brandish μ]

I'd say an enchanted staff would be able to damage August. However her human form's CQC is far less impressive than August's. The guy was tossing enraged Gildarts around like it was nothin. Best Eileen has done with her staff is block attacks from Erza. So even August as is should be able to handily defeat human Eileen in a physical confrontation, add on Meteor, Racer's slow magic, Cobra's precog, Reflector and whatever else he's got and he's basically untouchable to a human Eileen.
Without PiS August is pretty much unstoppable.

Plus like you said, she has to figure it out first, which may not even be possible since she doesnt really attack with her staff. And even if it was, it would take a considerable amount of time, she may have already received too many injuries to make a comeback.

Well, without PiS Irene would've bested Erza and Wendy.

I still think she needs to be held to her fight against Acnologia, where she showed good power.

August does have a lot of tools in the toolbox, more than Irene for sure. It's probably enough to give him a slight edge.

Human or dragon, I think August can't beat her with less than high diff.

 

[The President]

So would a magic tool be much different from this?

Well enchantment itself is a magic he can copy. If he wants to use it then he could just enhance his own staff......In regards to whether he can be hit by it, probably, but she's gonna have to have Acnologia level of physical stats if she wants to do damage with a steel rod to a guy who can (likely) take Gildartses best attack. Thats assuming she is even able to land a hit.

In my opinion, Irene made a magic tool via enchantment, albeit briefly. So it's quite possible for Irene to defeat August as a human imo.

However, in a battle, could Irene figure it out? Would she bother affixing magic to a weapon? Or if she used her staff, maybe then she could gather enough info like Gildarts did to form the same hypothesis?

Irene edges on feats. August edges on portrayal. Calling this fairly even.

I honestly do not think it matters if Irene figures it out or not. If she is in human form she gets ragdolled, August literally outclasses her across the board. As far as feats go, human Irenes performance was no better then Ajeels. Even if she was Gildarts level with full intel on August, not only would it require that we assume that she can dish out more damage with a steel beam then Gildarts can with his strongest attack (which I think we can all agree is a bit ridiculous), but it would require that August primarily restricts himself to physical stats (like he is doing in the Gildarts fight). Otherwise, its a curbstomp.

 

[Sevently]

Serena is Erza tier, arguably stronger. So no, he isnt useless, the damage he'll deal will be more than Eileen can handle. Plus Eileen can do whatever she wants to him, August can dismiss and summon God Serena freely, doesnt make a difference. Not to mention all the other DS that fought and died beside Eileen.

Nooo, nooo, nooooooooooooo
God Serena is Laxus/Gildarts tier he destroy Erza
Erza is Jacob/Ajeel tier

 

[Brandish μ]

Well enchantment itself is a magic he can copy. If he wants to use it then he could just enhance his own staff......In regards to whether he can be hit by it, probably, but she's gonna have to have Acnologia level of physical stats if she wants to do damage with a steel rod to a guy who can (likely) take Gildartses best attack. Thats assuming she is even able to land a hit.

He could probably copy and enchantment. But provided Irene affixes magic to an object, I don't see how August can stop it. He can dodge or put up a barrier, but if he eats it he's taking damage.

That Acnologia comment is absurd. If Gildarts didn't oneshot August, then she needs more power than Gildarts to oneshot him. I don't see why you're inflating this to Acnologia level. I'll take this back if Acnologia finds it necessary to dodge attacks on the level of Cana's cards.

Irene landed a hit on Acno. Should be able to land one solitary hit on August.

I honestly do not think it matters if Irene figures it out or not. If she is in human form she gets ragdolled, August literally outclasses her across the board. As far as feats go, human Irenes performance was no better then Ajeels. Even if she was Gildarts level with full intel on August, not only would it require that we assume that she can dish out more damage with a steel beam then Gildarts can with his strongest attack (which I think we can all agree is a bit ridiculous), but it would require that August primarily restricts himself to physical stats (like he is doing in the Gildarts fight). Otherwise, its a curbstomp.

It mattered to Gildarts that he figured it out. If she figures it out, her chances as a human go up drastically (essentially from zero to x%). August is more comprehensive for sure. Human Irene still put up a brief battle against Acnologia. Well fair enough about Ajeel, and that she might not be able to match Empyrean. But there's no way she gets curbed. The only one here who could curb is Irene is she went into dragon form... since August w/o Copy would get broken as badly as Erza with a palm swipe.

 

[Kiki]

How about August copying Enchantment and cancelling Irene's enchantment? According to Wendy vs Irene it seemed enchantment is easily nullified.

August is the most hax of the hax's.