Fantasy August vs Irene

[sharkai]

Then u read what i wrote right? Simple august use poison DS magic oneshot dragon Irene or historia bring back God Serena and the dragons she fought in the past. Pick ur posion

I havent seen him use ds magic nor historia magic. Actually i havent seen him use any magic which werent his current opponent. Or he uses his opponent magic or his own magic like that melt or when blitz.
If he cant refract cana cards i doubt he can do ds magic

Historia wont have enough power to remove irene dragon form. Only top august move with ds in it should do that.

 

[LaGOAT]

I havent seen him use ds magic nor historia magic. Actually i havent seen him use any magic which werent his current opponent. Or he uses his opponent magic or his own magic like that melt or when blitz.
If he cant refract cana cards i doubt he can do ds magic

Historia wont have enough power to remove irene dragon form. Only top august move with ds in it should do that.

It's common sense that when he fought cobra he copy his magic we saw him use meteor vs gildartz and Cana. he has instant copy magic. He can't copy holder type magic that a difference DS isn't holder type magic. He has enough power for bring back god serena back in full power since his MP is high

 

[sardinestunasalmon]

By Reputation, August should win since he's supposed to be the strongest Spriggan. But if we compare him and Irene and their respective magic, it would leave some plot hole if August beats Irene.

So what do we know about August's copying magic? It cannot copy caster type magics which makes sense since he wouldn't be able to summon a celestial spirit without a key no matter how strong he is. But other than that, any magic should be fine.

But if that is the case, then he should also be able to copy DS magic. But then, that would make him a DS as well. And the Spriggans was assembled in the first place to face Acnologia, so shouldn't August have DS magic already? If he had, then why didn't Acno attacked him when he killed God Serena.

And the thing is, one should not be able to beat a dragon no matter how strong he is unless he has DS magic. So that's where the plot hole will enter. If he will be able to beat Irene just because he's stronger, then the whole premise of DS will be useless.

So August indeed may be stronger than Irene power wise, but based on their magic types, he may not be able to beat Irene. But that doesn't necessarily mean Irene would be able to beat August since August should be close to unli magic supply.

The thing with DS magic though, it's not just about learning the element, it's changing your body's Constitution. So August may be able to copy poison magic from Cobra, but does that mean he already learned DS magic? It was never specified in the manga so we would never know.

But by virtue of August's "can-copy-all-magic" magic, should he copy Irene's DS magic, then that's GGWP lol..

 

[Crimson Ice]

By Reputation, August should win since he's supposed to be the strongest Spriggan. But if we compare him and Irene and their respective magic, it would leave some plot hole if August beats Irene.

So what do we know about August's copying magic? It cannot copy caster type magics which makes sense since he wouldn't be able to summon a celestial spirit without a key no matter how strong he is. But other than that, any magic should be fine.

But if that is the case, then he should also be able to copy DS magic. But then, that would make him a DS as well. And the Spriggans was assembled in the first place to face Acnologia, so shouldn't August have DS magic already? If he had, then why didn't Acno attacked him when he killed God Serena.

And the thing is, one should not be able to beat a dragon no matter how strong he is unless he has DS magic. So that's where the plot hole will enter. If he will be able to beat Irene just because he's stronger, then the whole premise of DS will be useless.

So August indeed may be stronger than Irene power wise, but based on their magic types, he may not be able to beat Irene. But that doesn't necessarily mean Irene would be able to beat August since August should be close to unli magic supply.

The thing with DS magic though, it's not just about learning the element, it's changing your body's Constitution. So August may be able to copy poison magic from Cobra, but does that mean he already learned DS magic? It was never specified in the manga so we would never know.

But by virtue of August's "can-copy-all-magic" magic, should he copy Irene's DS magic, then that's GGWP lol..

August has DS magic, the manga shows us that the huge fire pillar he used was because he copied Natsu's DS magic.

Not a one liner.

 

[Arjuna]

August has DS magic, the manga shows us that the huge fire pillar he used was because he copied Natsu's DS magic.

Not a one liner.

That is not Fire DS though.Natsu never used any spell which is similar to melt nor did he use any spell in front of August to copy.

August probably copied that spell from any mage he previously encountered in his life.


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Regarding this thread i am still undecided,if August can copy DS Magic or Irene's Dragon attacks then he wins otherwise Irene.In her Dragon form Irene should use her physical attacks only against August.I believe if she does this then she may have a great chance of winning.There must be a reason why Brandish said why only Irene may defeat August.

 

[LaGOAT]

That is not Fire DS though.Natsu never used any spell which is similar to melt nor did he use any spell in front of August to copy.

August probably copied that spell from any mage he previously encountered in his life.


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Regarding this thread i am still undecided,if August can copy DS Magic or Irene's Dragon attacks then he wins otherwise Irene.In her Dragon form Irene should use her physical attacks only against August.I believe if she does this then she may have a great chance of winning.There must be a reason why Brandish said why only Irene may defeat August.

She said that because they are in the same tier when it comes to power level she may have a chance but that doesn't mean she will win august is still stronger than her

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By Reputation, August should win since he's supposed to be the strongest Spriggan. But if we compare him and Irene and their respective magic, it would leave some plot hole if August beats Irene.

So what do we know about August's copying magic? It cannot copy caster type magics which makes sense since he wouldn't be able to summon a celestial spirit without a key no matter how strong he is. But other than that, any magic should be fine.

But if that is the case, then he should also be able to copy DS magic. But then, that would make him a DS as well. And the Spriggans was assembled in the first place to face Acnologia, so shouldn't August have DS magic already? If he had, then why didn't Acno attacked him when he killed God Serena.

And the thing is, one should not be able to beat a dragon no matter how strong he is unless he has DS magic. So that's where the plot hole will enter. If he will be able to beat Irene just because he's stronger, then the whole premise of DS will be useless.

So August indeed may be stronger than Irene power wise, but based on their magic types, he may not be able to beat Irene. But that doesn't necessarily mean Irene would be able to beat August since August should be close to unli magic supply.

The thing with DS magic though, it's not just about learning the element, it's changing your body's Constitution. So August may be able to copy poison magic from Cobra, but does that mean he already learned DS magic? It was never specified in the manga so we would never know.

But by virtue of August's "can-copy-all-magic" magic, should he copy Irene's DS magic, then that's GGWP lol..

It's the same question of why acno wasn't able to detect that Irene is also a DS.

 

[Arjuna]

She said that because they are in the same tier when it comes to power level she may have a chance but that doesn't mean she will win august is still stronger than her

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It's the same question of why acno wasn't able to detect that Irene is also a DS.

Yeah i can agree with that.August is definetly stronger in M.P.But he has to show ability to copy DS Magic or Dragon power.Until then i am not ready to accept August as a victor against Dragon Irene.

 

[Ilikeyou]

Irene is her Dragon form has higher mp than August. I think.

 

[LaGOAT]

Yeah i can agree with that.August is definetly stronger in M.P.But he has to show ability to copy DS Magic or Dragon power.Until then i am not ready to accept August as a victor against Dragon Irene.

He fought CS and jellal and him able to copy meteor is proof that he copy their magic unfortunately he was able to show all of it because of PIS. He was able to copy gildartz magic but didn't use it against him. August was just toying with all his opponentshence why he didn't kill jellal and co I don't see no reason why he can't copy DS magic

 

[EmptySoul]

August cant copy DS magic because he wasnt given it by a dragon or by a lacrima which are the only two ways to gain DS magic that were stated

For example lets say Natsu,August can Copy Natsus fire magic but he cant copy the DS magic thats attached to it

Which is why dragon Irene would win,the only thing August has that could maybe even do damage is his suicide attack which even if it kills dragon Irene,thats not neccessarily a win but a draw since they would both die

In the end Dragon Irene > August > human Irene imo

 

[Seven777]

August cant copy DS magic because he wasnt given it by a dragon or by a lacrima which are the only two ways to gain DS magic that were stated

For example lets say Natsu,August can Copy Natsus fire magic but he cant copy the DS magic thats attached to it

Which is why dragon Irene would win,the only thing August has that could maybe even do damage is his suicide attack which even if it kills dragon Irene,thats not neccessarily a win but a draw since they would both die

In the end Dragon Irene > August > human Irene imo

Neinhart can copy DS magic via historia, I dont see why August copying it with his undoubtedly superior magic is a big deal.

 

[Ilikeyou]

Neinhart can copy DS magic via historia, I dont see why August copying it with his undoubtedly superior magic is a big deal.

Do you mean him bringing back god Serena like how neinhart did?

 

[LaGOAT]

August cant copy DS magic because he wasnt given it by a dragon or by a lacrima which are the only two ways to gain DS magic that were stated

For example lets say Natsu,August can Copy Natsus fire magic but he cant copy the DS magic thats attached to it

Which is why dragon Irene would win,the only thing August has that could maybe even do damage is his suicide attack which even if it kills dragon Irene,thats not neccessarily a win but a draw since they would both die

In the end Dragon Irene > August > human Irene imo

don't feel like debating about if he can copy it or not but he still have other ways to win. Simple historia magic he solos

 

[EmptySoul]

Neinhart can copy DS magic via historia, I dont see why August copying it with his undoubtedly superior magic is a big deal.

Neinhart brought someone who can use it back to life

August could too if he knows historia magic but he himself cant use it
And even so the only capable DS whos dead at the moment who he can bring back is GS which Irene was stated to be >> in her human form alone plus hes much weakened as a historia so my argument that Dragon Irene > August > Human Irene still stands

 

[Seven777]

Do you mean him bringing back god Serena like how neinhart did?

No, i mean him using his main "copying" magic to replicate Dragon Slayer magic, similar to how Neinhart used historia to replicate dragon slayer magic.

Neinhart brought someone who can use it back to life

August could too if he knows historia magic but he himself cant use it
And even so the only capable DS whos dead at the moment who he can bring back is GS which Irene was stated to be >> in her human form alone plus hes much weakened as a historia so my argument that Dragon Irene > August > Human Irene still stands

No, he created someone who could use it based on his or his fellow spriggans memories and emotions. He created dragon slayer magic.
God Serena's actual corpse was probably still getting eaten by maggots where Acno killed him.

As for the historia August can summon, Eileen fought beside hundred, probably even thousands of dragon slayers, there are plenty August can summon to fight beside God Serena's side if he isnt enough. Though even with God Serena alone, August should definitely be able to protect him from Eileen while he does the damage.

 

[EmptySoul]

No, he created someone who could use it based on his or his fellow spriggans memories and emotions. He created dragon slayer magic.
God Serena's actual corpse was probably still getting eaten by maggots where Acno killed him.

As for the historia August can summon, Eileen fought beside hundred, probably even thousands of dragon slayers, there are plenty August can summon to fight beside God Serena's side if he isnt enough. Though even with God Serena alone, August should definitely be able to protect him from Eileen while he does the damage.

Except Irene never showed from what we saw any emotion or memories to any DS that existed that time so i doubt he could bring them back as her historia,the one person he could probably bring back is her husband who she would just stomp again

And again,Human Irene >> GS >Historia GS,even while Augusts protecting him,how do u expect him to damage her dragon form if he cant even beat her in her human form?

 

[The President]

Seven brings up a very legitimate point, Neinhart basically copy/pastes DS magic via historia so there is absolutely no reason August would not be capable of doing the same with his copy magic. Also, doesn't matter if Irene actively thinks about DS from her past, the people she fought alongside are forever engraved in her memories, August can probably summon an army of DS wielders against Irene lol. And they would all be at full power given that Augusts MP is at a point where it may as well be infinite. August takes it no matter which you way you slice it.

There must be a reason why Brandish said why only Irene may defeat August.

Brandish never said only Irene could/may defeat August. She just said that the only one who isn't totally outclassed by August is Irene. Big difference.

Irene is her Dragon form has higher mp than August. I think.

Don't see why going dragon would increase her baseline MP. Still the same person, just putting on scales.

 

[EmptySoul]

No way is August magic power near infinte lmao
And just cause hes strong doesnt mean the drawback of the Historia being weakened is gone
And an army of weak DS who were weakened again by the historia magic vs full powered dragon Irene is ridiculous

Also i think you guys are overestimating Augusts capabilities
He may be able to copy every magic,but that doesnt neccessarily mean he did copy every single magic

 

[Seven777]

Except Irene never showed from what we saw any emotion or memories to any DS that existed that time so i doubt he could bring them back as her historia,the one person he could probably bring back is her husband who she would just stomp again

And again,Human Irene >> GS >Historia GS,even while Augusts protecting him,how do u expect him to damage her dragon form if he cant even beat her in her human form?

August's Historia God Serena should be far more powerful than Neinharts.
God Serena can damage her dragon form with DS advantage, just like Erza did. He doesnt need to worry about damaging her human form, August's got that covered. If Eileen decides to enter dragon form August can summon God Serena, protect him from Eileen's attacks and let God Serena smash her out of Dragon mode with his DS magic. August can take it from there.

Not that it really matters anyway, August almost certainly has DS magic, the panel in his fight with Gildarts pretty much confirmed that Melt was created using Natsu's DS fire.

 

[Ilikeyou]

Seven brings up a very legitimate point, Neinhart basically copy/pastes DS magic via historia so there is absolutely no reason August would not be capable of doing the same with his copy magic. Also, doesn't matter if Irene actively thinks about DS from her past, the people she fought alongside are forever engraved in her memories, August can probably summon an army of DS wielders against Irene lol. And they would all be at full power given that Augusts MP is at a point where it may as well be infinite. August takes it no matter which you way you slice it.



Brandish never said only Irene could/may defeat August. She just said that the only one who isn't totally outclassed by August is Irene. Big difference.



Don't see why going dragon would increase her baseline MP. Still the same person, just putting on scales.

Cause she performs bigger enchents which you need more magic power to do.

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She never said the only person not outclassed by august is Irene.