Strong enough to beat Larcade, with help of course. Doesnt make a difference anyway, you dont have to be a main character to be loved or hate.
Haha, love how you mention below Laxus of all people, really love to shit on him every chance you get eh?
But neither opponent was dehyped, just like 90% of Erza's other opponents they are considered strong, like Ikaruga, Midnight, Kagura, etc.
I wasnt one of those people, and its not like they were the majority. Besides, its kinda understandable, Azir was the first spriggan to appear, you dont write in the top tier villains right off the bat.
As for why people consider him weaker than Wahl now, he's fighting Elfman and Lisanna, what more needs to be said lol? Not killing dying Laxus>>>Not killing Elfman and Lisanna.
Uh... no, people dont consider END weak because Erza grabbed him. Majority of people here dont even consider that a factor in ENDs power, you'd be hard pressed to find a member here who does. END is considered weak because of his pathetic roar, his general lack of impressive abilities and because he still looks human and has only transformed up to his arms.
The brunt of it? Perhaps, but thats purely because nothing she has done in this arc so far, portrays her as particularly strong. Which is what is really important, portrayal.
Sure you can argue that she could have fought better against Azir if it wasnt for possible nerfs, but bottom line is she didnt.
Sure, you could also argue that she could have performed better against Neinhart if it wasnt for injuries but again, the bottom line is that she didnt.
You cant just ask people to be impressed by what she might be able to do, you know? Not without serious hype on her side, and she doesnt have that.She hasnt really had much hype this arc, other than her "Eye" stuff. Get what im saying?
Yes laxus will always come. Because the way people treat him and erza shows everything
Her fight of the arc is now. She is doing fine against Irene
Instead how disappointment is Irene now is what we get.
When erza blocked end punch everyone was raging why the hell erza hand was still attached.
You might have missed the rahe, but I did not.
The fact is. Everyone knew erza will pretty much solo Irene. Kind of like how gray would solo invel.
That's how main character are treated. Goi will get stomped
OS will get stomped. But the main battle guys won't.
Especially not the main cast.
Compare them with previous fights
And we get shit like
Marin> dimeria>Jacob>invel
Wahl random bot >Ur>invel
And
Irene>ajeel
provided he survives a butter knife
He has no durability feat
Speed wise he is Bos erza speed at the moment
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Lol mop ganging up on one voice of reason.
Where have I seen that before
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Luckily we have manga statement in which brandish statement clearly replying to August is the strongest by saying you are wrong.
Nothing about MP is mentioned
At all
But people will ignore that k nos
Erza is a fodder. And anyone she gives trouble to Is also weak
That where we get shot like
Cs>erza plus wWendy
Just lol
I wonder where they put goi
@sharkai why would he need durability feats if he won't be touched by her?? dude was countering every single one of them and they couldn't even touch him.
August stomping Jellal+CS >>>> Irene struggling against Erza and Wendy
Yes laxus will always come. Because the way people treat him and erza shows everything
Her fight of the arc is now. She is doing fine against Irene
Instead how disappointment is Irene now is what we get.
When erza blocked end punch everyone was raging why the hell erza hand was still attached.
You might have missed the rahe, but I did not.
The fact is. Everyone knew erza will pretty much solo Irene. Kind of like how gray would solo invel.
That's how main character are treated. Goi will get stomped
OS will get stomped. But the main battle guys won't.
Especially not the main cast.
Compare them with previous fights
And we get shit like
Marin> dimeria>Jacob>invel
Wahl random bot >Ur>invel
And
Irene>ajeel
Because you dont like then fact that most people consider him stronger.
Sure, she is doing fine against Eileen, but Wendy was doing just as well, arguably better.
People are disappointed in Eileen because of how Erza and Wendy are doing, not just Erza. There is no discrimination here. In fact the majority of the comments are more pissed off about Wendy blitzing her and dealing damage than anything Erza did.
Sure, they were raging at Erza's hand still being attached, but no one considered END weaker because of it.
The fact is everyone was wondering how Erza would take Eileen considering how much weaker she is, and now we know, by beating Wendy.
Oh and for all we know, Eileen is only August equal while in dragon form. In human form she could be far weaker, just saying....
Can't believe people are still somehow voting for Irene after her recent performance. Just like @Jean Grey said no-diffing CS that includes people like Cobra, freaking Jellal and Midnight >>>>>>> struggling against Erza and Wendy lol.
August kicks her ass to kingdom come.
Oh yeah, forgot to mention that CS were basically completely fresh and ready for battle before August no-diffed them compared to Irene struggling with a completely battle-worn and exhausted Erza and injured Wendy........ August annihilates her.
Well to be fair, August took that blade from friendly fire unawares (Brandish also used magic on that weapon with killing intent). He also changed form after that. So I can't really see August being less durable than Irene, I'm even happy to call it even in absence of feats (doesn't stop August here).
Speed wise he made Cobra and Racer look bad. I'd actually back August to be much better in speed since he knows more magic... but if we're just discussing feats then speed is irrelevant... because both August and Irene have shown to fight as casters of spells/charms. This is where August shines since he has the better attack feats (though I do count Irene vs Acno as impressive) and better defensive feats (stopped Laxus' nuke vs Hanamaru).
At this point giving the win to Irene is borderline irrational, unless you think she can dragonise.
Lol I feel bad for Irene. Because of Hiro's inconsistent power scaling, her name is being dragged through the mud. I really hope that Irene can still dragonise and that's where her true power stems, cuz as of right now, August's feats are much better than her human form's feats.
@sharkai why would he need durability feats if he won't be touched by her?? dude was countering every single one of them and they couldn't even touch him.
August stomping Jellal+CS >>>> Irene struggling against Erza and Wendy
Lol I feel bad for Irene. Because of Hiro's inconsistent power scaling, her name is being dragged through the mud. I really hope that Irene can still dragonise and that's where her true power stems, cuz as of right now, August's feats are much better than her human form's feats.
Lol August being compared to BoScharacters, where have I seen
that before? (Two can play that
game buddy ).
Because you dont like then fact that most people consider him stronger.
Sure, she is doing fine against Eileen, but Wendy was doing just as well, arguably better.
People are disappointed in Eileen because of how Erza and Wendy are doing, not just Erza. There is no discrimination here. In fact the majority of the comments are more pissed off about Wendy blitzing her and dealing damage than anything Erza did.
Sure, they were raging at Erza's hand still being attached, but no one considered END weaker because of it.
The fact is everyone was wondering how Erza would take Eileen considering how much weaker she is, and now we know, by beating Wendy.
Oh and for all we know, Eileen is only August equal while in dragon form. In human form she could be far weaker, just saying....
No
Basically I don't like how people make laxus look stronger
Go to power thread
Laxus casual nuke is so strong because August said so
O but let's ignore Irene equal to August statement by ignore because it doesn't follow our precise power scale nonsense
What has Wendy done
Cancel an enchanting which blew aconologia away
Enhanced erza
Blind sided Irene when she was reministing her past and focusing completely on her daughter
No erza just not impressive. She is already performing as good as laxus.
Laxus faught on equal footing with a normal springgan
And enhanced erza is keeping the strongest springgan busy.
Now people are hyping up racer and cobra speed. Same people who couldn't land a hit on Bos erza
Irene dragon form being equal to August. That would be very difficult to imagine. Maybe by some hax
Because Irene MP is already equal to August.
Speed will also go to the dragon
AMD so will and immunity
But most likely it's Irene base form equal to black August form
Well to be fair, August took that blade from friendly fire unawares (Brandish also used magic on that weapon with killing intent). He also changed form after that. So I can't really see August being less durable than Irene, I'm even happy to call it even in absence of feats (doesn't stop August here).
Speed wise he made Cobra and Racer look bad. I'd actually back August to be much better in speed since he knows more magic... but if we're just discussing feats then speed is irrelevant... because both August and Irene have shown to fight as casters of spells/charms. This is where August shines since he has the better attack feats (though I do count Irene vs Acno as impressive) and better defensive feats (stopped Laxus' nuke vs Hanamaru).
At this point giving the win to Irene is borderline irrational, unless you think she can dragonise.
Not really
August durability doesn't need to be even near irene
He made cobra and racer look bad. And those both couldn't touch Bos erza.
It's irrational if you don't know how fairy tail works
But if you think four laxus can defeat serena
Meaning laxus is far stronger than jura
Then there is absolutely no reason for not believing enhanced erza to be much stronger than cs
Not really
August durability doesn't need to be even near irene
He made cobra and racer look bad. And those both couldn't touch Bos erza.
It's irrational if you don't know how fairy tail works
But if you think four laxus can defeat serena
Meaning laxus is far stronger than jura
Then there is absolutely no reason for not believing enhanced erza to be much stronger than cs
Irene's durability isn't so high that August can never be that tough, so me calling it even/similar is fair to both sides atm. Not trying to make a case for August being the biggest tank at all. And Cobra/Racer are stronger now too.
Laxus is probably far stronger than Jura, well it seems that way. No point discussing that though...
Irene's durability isn't so high that August can never be that tough, so me calling it even/similar is fair to both sides atm. Not trying to make a case for August being the biggest tank at all. And Cobra/Racer are stronger now too.
Laxus is probably far stronger than Jura, well it seems that way. No point discussing that though...
My point is if racer and cobra can.be stronger
So.can jura
They are equally irrelevant characters
If we. Are ready to accept laxus >>>jura
Then there is absolutely no reason to not believe
Erza>>>cs
Without jellal
Jellal is alot more relevant because of that he is getting up
Irene durability is pretty much highest Ihave seen
No one human was that durable
That erza sword would bbounce just off.
Even lacarde had to block kagura strikes
My point is if racer and cobra can.be stronger
So.can jura
They are equally irrelevant characters
If we. Are ready to accept laxus >>>jura
Then there is absolutely no reason to not believe
Erza>>>cs
Without jellal
Jellal is alot more relevant because of that he is getting up
Irene durability is pretty much highest Ihave seen
No one human was that durable
That erza sword would bbounce just off.
Even lacarde had to block kagura strikes
I think everyone is stronger. But at varying levels. Jura probably had the lowest improvement. Natsu the highest, and after that is probably Laxus.
We accept Laxus >>> Jura because one soloed a Spriggan with a handicap, the other got trounced with help.
Erza struggled to defeat a Spriggan with help. Jellal oneshotted the weakest one. He's at least as strong as Erza. Yet Jellal and his buddies got stomped by August. So saying Erza >>> CS = acceptable... Idk how you got to that. Erza would defeat any of them solo bar Jellal, but if you grouped them, how does Erza beat them, and by so much as to give ">>>" indicators?
I think swords making a slash on Irene is acceptable, though Idk if I can call it a great feat, because she still got sliced. What I mean is, she didn't tank it, her durability was breached. So it's not so much a feat. Ajeel also got slashed and continued, but his durability feats come from getting hit by Jupiter without taking much damage. For Irene she got slashed by Erza, and attacked by a Wendy (a dragon slayer). It's not a mark on her durability to be slashed, but she doesn't have any feats that put her above Larcade for example... so I can't agree with Irene having the highest durability.
I think everyone is stronger. But at varying levels. Jura probably had the lowest improvement. Natsu the highest, and after that is probably Laxus.
We accept Laxus >>> Jura because one soloed a Spriggan with a handicap, the other got trounced with help.
Erza struggled to defeat a Spriggan with help. Jellal oneshotted the weakest one. He's at least as strong as Erza. Yet Jellal and his buddies got stomped by August. So saying Erza >>> CS = acceptable... Idk how you got to that. Erza would defeat any of them solo bar Jellal, but if you grouped them, how does Erza beat them, and by so much as to give ">>>" indicators?
I think swords making a slash on Irene is acceptable, though Idk if I can call it a great feat, because she still got sliced. What I mean is, she didn't tank it, her durability was breached. So it's not so much a feat. Ajeel also got slashed and continued, but his durability feats come from getting hit by Jupiter without taking much damage. For Irene she got slashed by Erza, and attacked by a Wendy (a dragon slayer). It's not a mark on her durability to be slashed, but she doesn't have any feats that put her above Larcade for example... so I can't agree with Irene having the highest durability.
How do you know wahl is not the weakest springgan
Jellal oneshot a springgan who natsu can knockout with a punch
Erza could solo each member of os in osarc
Combine them would make no difference now
Laxus won with alot of ass pulls and wahl help
Erza with help defeated ajeel with help
Andno
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You can't just say who got stronger
Cs did not perform against the strongest springgan
Erza did
Same way we don't talk about how it is irrational to believe wahl to be near serena
We also shouldn't dehype the specific villians now
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Enhanced erza after DS hit did the same damage on Irene as normal erza did against ajeel
O erza was disadvantaged against ajeel in the first place
The head shot would probably take out August. Atleast erza thought so
No
Basically I don't like how people make laxus look stronger
Go to power thread
Laxus casual nuke is so strong because August said so
O but let's ignore Irene equal to August statement by ignore because it doesn't follow our precise power scale nonsense
What has Wendy done
Cancel an enchanting which blew aconologia away
Enhanced erza
Blind sided Irene when she was reministing her past and focusing completely on her daughter
No erza just not impressive. She is already performing as good as laxus.
Laxus faught on equal footing with a normal springgan
And enhanced erza is keeping the strongest springgan busy.
Now people are hyping up racer and cobra speed. Same people who couldn't land a hit on Bos erza
Irene dragon form being equal to August. That would be very difficult to imagine. Maybe by some hax
Because Irene MP is already equal to August.
Speed will also go to the dragon
AMD so will and immunity
But most likely it's Irene base form equal to black August form
People also think Natsu is far stronger than Erza, so why arent you accusing them as well? Its simple, because you are biased against Laxus. Face the facts dude, people dont downplay Erza because they dont like her, Natsu is just as hated as she is, if not more, and people all rank him as extremely powerful, far above Erza. Bottom line, if Erza was portrayed as powerful this arc, she'd be ranked high despite her "supposed" hate, just like Natsu currently is.
Yes, Wendy did all that, it sounds like you're trying to downplay her, but you really did list off a lot of impressive Wendy feats.
What did Erza do? How exactly did she perform better than Wendy? Or even equal to her? Wendy outclassed Eileen's enchantments, not once but twice, this is the magic Eileen specializes in, possibly even created, and Wendy beat her at it. What exactly has Erza done that comes close to that? Lets also not forget that all she did do in this fight she did while enchanted, and who enchanted her? Oh, thats right... Wendy.
Not gonna comment on the "as good as Laxus" stuff, since its laughable, and since we've been asked not to talk about it.
Couldnt land a hit on BoS Erza? You meant when they attacked her once and she dodged.... once? Lets also not forget how easily Midnight landed hits on her in a real fight, right? How easily Azir, a regular spriggan had her gasping and struggling and dying with his hands around her throat, this despite the massive elemental advantage Erza had over him.
Eileen being equal to August in dragon form is questionable, August could still be even stronger than Dragon Form Eileen, or maybe weaker.
Sure, durability i'd give to Eileen in her dragon form, hard to imagine a colossal body like that no having great durability.
MP is equal so attack power would be similar.
Wouldnt give speed cause she's big and he's small, unless its in a race to the finish line or a marathon.
But the guy who has mastered every known spell, lauded as supreme king of magic past and present, being a match for a dragonized Dragon Slayer? Yeah, i could definitely see that as a good fight, i defintely have him low-mid diffing GMG dragons
How do you know wahl is not the weakest springgan
Jellal oneshot a springgan who natsu can knockout with a punch
Erza could solo each member of os in osarc
Combine them would make no difference now
Laxus won with alot of ass pulls and wahl help
Erza with help defeated ajeel with help
Andno
You can't just say who got stronger
Wall might be the weakest, I couldn't tell you the true ranks, can you tell me?
It's true Neinhart doesn't seem durable at all unlike Ajeel. Laxus had conveniences for sure, all they stopped his handicaps. At that point Laxus was nearly defeated though, he took a battering with less magic power and couldn't guard. Erza was also handicapped by Marin, and also she couldn't hit Ajeel; so she took a fair bit of damage in that time (Ajeel also handicapped by being in the sky). But the difference is once the playing field was even - Ajeel could still overpower Erza and bring her to near-defeat. When it was even for Laxus, he and Wall evenly brawled, and in the end Laxus took him out. Still I don't really know why Laxus is getting brought up here. Erza is not in his weight class in any stretch of the imagination. She even looked impressed when Laxus took out Sands of Death with just a lightning bolt.
Even if you're trying to say Enchanted Erza ~ Laxus, still can't see it.
I'm not dehyping Irene. I'm just not going to put her above August like you are. It's irrational to think she can win with what we've seen. It'd be like telling me Neinhart can defeat God Serena. I don't trash Neinhart anywhere near as much as others, but he's not beating God Serena.
That's a fair point, I'm willing to concede that Irene's feat is better. But in the same token - she still didn't tank it. If I cut off my finger with a meat cleaver or a samurai sword, would you be able to tell which one is the more powerful/lethal weapon by only looking at my injury? That's just my reasoning for these things.
Please don't use Erza's comment "this is the end". What if Irene actually tried there, to you know, move? She stood there like a lollipop lady letting the kids across the road. August probably would have nuked Erza, while telling her "she's too slow". Irene made up her mind to hijack Wendy so she didn't give af about combat there (the smirk panel is the moment she realises Wendy is a high level enchanter + a DS, so she's compatible).
Plus August would have got hurt no more than Irene. It didn't take out Irene, so Idk why it takes out August. Though in next chapter, should Irene's real body be equivalent to defeated, then you might have a point... provided August sits there and takes it AND is not more durable than Irene.
People also think Natsu is far stronger than Erza, so why arent you accusing them as well? Its simple, because you are biased against Laxus. Face the facts dude, people dont downplay Erza because they dont like her, Natsu is just as hated as she is, if not more, and people all rank him as extremely powerful, far above Erza. Bottom line, if Erza was portrayed as powerful this arc, she'd be ranked high despite her "supposed" hate, just like Natsu currently is.
Yes, Wendy did all that, it sounds like you're trying to downplay her, but you really did list off a lot of impressive Wendy feats.
What did Erza do? How exactly did she perform better than Wendy? Or even equal to her? Wendy outclassed Eileen's enchantments, not once but twice, this is the magic Eileen specializes in, possibly even created, and Wendy beat her at it. What exactly has Erza done that comes close to that? Lets also not forget that all she did do in this fight she did while enchanted, and who enchanted her? Oh, thats right... Wendy.
Not gonna comment on the "as good as Laxus" stuff, since its laughable, and since we've been asked not to talk about it.
Couldnt land a hit on BoS Erza? You meant when they attacked her once and she dodged.... once? Lets also not forget how easily Midnight landed hits on her in a real fight, right? How easily Azir, a regular spriggan had her gasping and struggling and dying with his hands around her throat, this despite the massive elemental advantage Erza had over him.
Eileen being equal to August in dragon form is questionable, August could still be even stronger than Dragon Form Eileen, or maybe weaker.
Sure, durability i'd give to Eileen in her dragon form, hard to imagine a colossal body like that no having great durability.
MP is equal so attack power would be similar.
Wouldnt give speed cause she's big and he's small, unless its in a race to the finish line or a marathon.
But the guy who has mastered every known spell, lauded as supreme king of magic past and present, being a match for a dragonized Dragon Slayer? Yeah, i could definitely see that as a good fight, i defintely have him low-mid diffing GMG dragons
Your first point is so stupid I don't even know I should reply.
You ignored how people believe laxus featless nukd even to this day
And yet they don't believe Irene hype
So natsu is stronger. That's why they say he is stronger
They say laxus is stronger is Because they probably wana suc...
Either how Wendy did what old women ultear did. That's it
Erza is fighting jura of this arc while laxus with extreme ass pulls won against rofus of this.
It's laughable because of your mind is set on the fact and nothing will change it. Laxus has to remain >>> erza
She dodged them once when she wasn't even looking. Why do you love dehyping erza
Midnight had jellal kissing the ground much faster. I am sure your beloved laxus would be in the same position then
Magical advantage. You mean not being able to see your opponent is a magical advantage. In that way laxus gad great advantages too. Cancer and lightening
But what am I talking about
Gray got stopped by a random bot of wahl and over powered by Ur
So
Ur>random bot>invel
Right?
O wait everyone has gray stomping erza as well
Wall might be the weakest, I couldn't tell you the true ranks, can you tell me?
It's true Neinhart doesn't seem durable at all unlike Ajeel. Laxus had conveniences for sure, all they stopped his handicaps. At that point Laxus was nearly defeated though, he took a battering with less magic power and couldn't guard. Erza was also handicapped by Marin, and also she couldn't hit Ajeel; so she took a fair bit of damage in that time (Ajeel also handicapped by being in the sky). But the difference is once the playing field was even - Ajeel could still overpower Erza and bring her to near-defeat. When it was even for Laxus, he and Wall evenly brawled, and in the end Laxus took him out. Still I don't really know why Laxus is getting brought up here. Erza is not in his weight class in any stretch of the imagination. She even looked impressed when Laxus took out Sands of Death with just a lightning bolt.
Even if you're trying to say Enchanted Erza ~ Laxus, still can't see it.
At worst August is equal strongest of the 12. Unless Irene can turn into a dragon, August has the edge.
Ajeel or Irene?
I'm not dehyping Irene. I'm just not going to put her above August like you are. It's irrational to think she can win with what we've seen. It'd be like telling me Neinhart can defeat God Serena. I don't trash Neinhart anywhere near as much as others, but he's not beating God Serena.
That's a fair point, I'm willing to concede that Irene's feat is better. But in the same token - she still didn't tank it. If I cut off my finger with a meat cleaver or a samurai sword, would you be able to tell which one is the more powerful/lethal weapon by only looking at my injury? That's just my reasoning for these things.
Please don't use Erza's comment "this is the end". What if Irene actually tried there, to you know, move? She stood there like a lollipop lady letting the kids across the road. August probably would have nuked Erza, while telling her "she's too slow". Irene made up her mind to hijack Wendy so she didn't give af about combat there (the smirk panel is the moment she realises Wendy is a high level enchanter + a DS, so she's compatible).
Plus August would have got hurt no more than Irene. It didn't take out Irene, so Idk why it takes out August. Though in next chapter, should Irene's real body be equivalent to defeated, then you might have a point... provided August sits there and takes it AND is not more durable than Irene.
The reason you have laxus is because you believe in the hype that Serena is equal or around Wahl
The same logic should apply now. Simple as that.
And stop giving Irene feats to August. And no August can't stop erza mid charge. Only Irene has shown to be able to do that.
The playing field was never even. Ajeel got erza in that position with help and his ability of making erza eyes useless.
Battle field was even only after he became visible and erza got help. Before that it wasn't even at all
Why don't you see it. Laxus struggled against normal springgan. While erza is fighting bluenote of the group.
Why are you comparing nienhart with Serena. Compare Serena with Wahl.
Wahl lost to already dieing laxus with immunity to his magic.
Serena beat laxus equal and three other stronger mages extreme low diff.
If this gives you laxus >>> Jura
Then do the same with August and Irene fight now.
You will get
Enhanced erza >>>cs
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You mean at normal August is equal to Irene. Not worst
Erza performed fine against Irene. The strongest springgan.
Cs got stomped by August. The strongest springgan.
Your first point is so stupid I don't even know I should reply.
You ignored how people believe laxus featless nukd even to this day
And yet they don't believe Irene hype
So natsu is stronger. That's why they say he is stronger
They say laxus is stronger is Because they probably wana suc...
Either how Wendy did what old women ultear did. That's it
Erza is fighting jura of this arc while laxus with extreme ass pulls won against rofus of this.
It's laughable because of your mind is set on the fact and nothing will change it. Laxus has to remain >>> erza
She dodged them once when she wasn't even looking. Why do you love dehyping erza
Midnight had jellal kissing the ground much faster. I am sure your beloved laxus would be in the same position then
Magical advantage. You mean not being able to see your opponent is a magical advantage. In that way laxus gad great advantages too. Cancer and lightening
But what am I talking about
Gray got stopped by a random bot of wahl and over powered by Ur
So
Ur>random bot>invel
Right?
O wait everyone has gray stomping erza as well
No need to get snippy, if you dont want to reply to the point, dont, no one is forcing you.
Yeah, i believe in Laxus nuke hype. Who said i dont believe Eileen hype?
Yeah, Natsu is stronger, despite the enormous hate towards him, pretty clear that hate isnt a factor in peoples decisions and that Erza is being judged fairly as always
And what did Erza do that compares to what Wendy did?
Sure, so is Wendy, and they havent even got the Jura of this arc to try yet, or even get acknowledged as actual threats worthy of effort.
Its laughable cause Erza hasnt done anything, at best she's contributed to the fight as much as Wendy has, and thats if you give Erza the benefit of the doubt.
What difference does it make if Erza was looking or not? It still requires the same level of speed.
No, you're over hyping her, you're trying to make it sound like Erza was totally outclassing Cobra and Racer in speed when all she did was dodge one attack, even when it was just her and Cobra 1v1 she wasnt any faster than he was.
Erza stated Jellal had lost too much of his power when he used the self destruct on himself. Whats he and Laxus got to do with anything anyway? Point is, August trounced Midnight, as well as the rest of them with ease.
I mean Erza magical wind advantage that was blowing away Azir's attacks and saved her from a oneshot.
Gray powered up against Invel, before that Invel was decimating him(why're we even discussing this?)
I dont have Gray stomping Erza, but say that i did, what are you trying to imply here?
The reason you have laxus is because you believe in the hype that Serena is equal or around Wahl
The same logic should apply now. Simple as that.
And stop giving Irene feats to August. And no August can't stop erza mid charge. Only Irene has shown to be able to do that.
I think Wall is equivalent to Serena because of what he showed.
So I'm using the same logic for August > Irene. We just have different reasoning, which is fine.
Saying Irene has been the only person to stop Erza mid charge (well Ajeel dodged a slash at point blank but okay) doesn't mean August can't. I could spin this another way and say "Erza hasn't shown she can hit August". They've never met in a fight, so I am just saying what I think will happen, as are you.
The playing field was never even. Ajeel got erza in that position with help and his ability of making erza eyes useless.
Battle field was even only after he became visible and erza got help. Before that it wasn't even at all
No they were even. Erza figured out how to hit Ajeel. At that point Ajeel is the only one with a disadvantage (being in the air). Creating a sandstorm that made it difficult for Erza to see is Ajeel's skill - you cannot take that away from him. Unless you think it's unfair that Erza had Nakagami Starlight. It's silly.
I'm saying the hype you're referring to (by being stated equals and such) exists for Neinhart and Serena, as much as it does Wall and Serena. August and Irene are stated to be equals. It's a little more concrete than Neinhart:Serena:Wall, but 'the other 9' are portrayed to be equals too.
Wahl lost to already dieing laxus with immunity to his magic.
Serena beat laxus equal and three other stronger mages extreme low diff.
If this gives you laxus >>> Jura
Then do the same with August and Irene fight now.
You will get
Enhanced erza >>>cs
You mean at normal August is equal to Irene. Not worst
Erza performed fine against Irene. The strongest springgan.
Cs got stomped by August. The strongest springgan.
I'll concede that if you put 2 main characters from FT in front of August plot will drag him too.
But August is off the leash atm and is showing too much glam. Your girl had her best showing against Acnologia. If I was arguing from your position I'd use that more than the Wendy/Erza fight. It's the only reason I still rate Irene as comparable to August (fighting Acno).
No need to get snippy, if you dont want to reply to the point, dont, no one is forcing you.
Yeah, i believe in Laxus nuke hype. Who said i dont believe Eileen hype?
Yeah, Natsu is stronger, despite the enormous hate towards him, pretty clear that hate isnt a factor in peoples decisions and that Erza is being judged fairly as always
And what did Erza do that compares to what Wendy did?
Sure, so is Wendy, and they havent even got the Jura of this arc to try yet, or even get acknowledged as actual threats worthy of effort.
Its laughable cause Erza hasnt done anything, at best she's contributed to the fight as much as Wendy has, and thats if you give Erza the benefit of the doubt.
What difference does it make if Erza was looking or not? It still requires the same level of speed.
No, you're over hyping her, you're trying to make it sound like Erza was totally outclassing Cobra and Racer in speed when all she did was dodge one attack, even when it was just her and Cobra 1v1 she wasnt any faster than he was.
Erza stated Jellal had lost too much of his power when he used the self destruct on himself. Whats he and Laxus got to do with anything anyway? Point is, August trounced Midnight, as well as the rest of them with ease.
I mean Erza magical wind advantage that was blowing away Azir's attacks and saved her from a oneshot.
Gray powered up against Invel, before that Invel was decimating him(why're we even discussing this?)
I dont have Gray stomping Erza, but say that i did, what are you trying to imply here?
O you mean natsu is hated but he is still placed above much more hatted person. So hate obviously doesnt degrade powers
Still dont follow
Natsu is not hated as much as erza. In fact if you were to go to last page of natsu vs serena. People seems to think people are biased towards natsu. not against him.
No what you are doing are dehyping erza
It was clearly shown that day, racer taking out natsu, gray (with angel) and three other fodders in one blitz. Yet erza required three os memebers in a sneak attack to put her down.
You try to dehype erza because you already have
Laxus >>> erza>natsu
Set in mind
That is why you accept all hype in favor of laxus. And try to come up with logical justification to negate erza hype
You accept gmg jura hype. No question asked
But when markarov says erza could take out laxus
You go well maybe 20% chance
I dont even know how you will dehype the s class monster. But i am confidence that you will do so
Now laxus nuke is accepted as strongest thing known to mankind
But for irene hype. some sort of explanation
Wendy is a counter for irene. Thats it. Just like ultear was
Enhance erza is holding up to irene
which above fighting a normal springgam like wahl
Became jellal laxus and erza were around each other at the time. No where in the manga there is evidence to disprove this
Midnight is irrelevant now.
Midnight plus racer plus cobra plus hoteye (does this guy even fight) combined are weaker than jura. They are probably around tartarus erza and tartus jellal tier
An irrelevant tier
Basically august just took out jellal. Who is pretty much featless and jura
And jellal is getting back up to get feats. Becase unlike others he is not irrelevant
I like how you didnt mention ajeel is an aoe mage. While erza is not
That is one advantage ajeel had
Ajeel is immune to steal. That negates 90% of erza magic
Then erza had a medium level wind attcack. Which held up to all medium level ajeel spells
Not top tier ajeel spell sand world because erza was not that much stronger than ajeel
Simple rule
To find if someone hate some one
See if they treat characters differently
Laxus against erza is a prime example
Because they are opposite end of spectrum
Gray is also a good example because he is not a power player like erza and laxus. But he is mpre liked than erza.
He got pissed off that is power up
And most people now thinks he stomp. Which is again degrading of erza example
I dont need your reasons
I actually have enough data to support my hypothesis
Look up gmg natsu vs gig jura thread
Look up gmg erza plus mira vs gmg laxus
the difference is stark there
I think Wall is equivalent to Serena because of what he showed.
So I'm using the same logic for August > Irene. We just have different reasoning, which is fine.
Saying Irene has been the only person to stop Erza mid charge (well Ajeel dodged a slash at point blank but okay) doesn't mean August can't. I could spin this another way and say "Erza hasn't shown she can hit August". They've never met in a fight, so I am just saying what I think will happen, as are you.
No they were even. Erza figured out how to hit Ajeel. At that point Ajeel is the only one with a disadvantage (being in the air). Creating a sandstorm that made it difficult for Erza to see is Ajeel's skill - you cannot take that away from him. Unless you think it's unfair that Erza had Nakagami Starlight. It's silly.
So is Wendy Irene is being dragged by plot here. That, or she's weaksauce.
I'm saying the hype you're referring to (by being stated equals and such) exists for Neinhart and Serena, as much as it does Wall and Serena. August and Irene are stated to be equals. It's a little more concrete than Neinhart:Serena:Wall, but 'the other 9' are portrayed to be equals too.
I'm going to use your way of logic here.
Laxus (nerfed) ~ Wall; Serena ~ Wall; Serena >>> Jura, .: Laxus >>> Jura.
Erza (enchanted) < Irene (w/PiS); Irene ~ August; August >>> CS... using this I can't say Erza >>> CS, it doesn't work.
What you don't seem to address is how little Irene has showed against Erza and Wendy. Compare that to what August did.
I'll concede that if you put 2 main characters from FT in front of August plot will drag him too.
But August is off the leash atm and is showing too much glam. Your girl had her best showing against Acnologia. If I was arguing from your position I'd use that more than the Wendy/Erza fight. It's the only reason I still rate Irene as comparable to August (fighting Acno).
What has wahl shown
How many people has he taken out in a fight.
Because last i checked, he didnt take out anyone in combat.
Ajeel dodged in start of the fight. Niether was trying at the time
No you cant
August reacted to racer. Thats it. You cant hype his speed upto erza level. Till he shows it.
Otherwise start showing me aconologia being able to blitz jason the cool guy. And then pretty much every character in the series.
No its not
Ajeel immunity to erza magic is also his ability. Erza wind magic is also her abilty.
At the end
Not including any magical advantage which ajeel had most
Marin interference injured erza.
That was balanced after erza got outside help as well
Not before
Disadvantaged in air is fan made thing. There was no shown disadvantage there
Wendy has only countered irene, like ultear.
Let me fix this
Laxus (nerfed) ~ Wall (s/PIS); Serena ~ Wall; Serena >>> Jura, .:
Laxus >>> Jura.
Erza (injured/enchanted) < Irene (w/Pis); Irene ~ August; August >>> CS.
using this why can't you say Erza >> CS
Why it doesn't work?
The point is whenever two characters fight. You can hype and dehype anyone you wishes
Wahl couldnt take out jura equivalent who was deing of cancer
This should have dehyped the crap out wahl
And we should have been wondering whether wahl could defeat lucy or wendy.
Instead
We hype the hell out of laxus
Now irene vs erza is happening with wendy as a counter
We get what we should have gotten then
Yes, if august was erza opponent he would be doing just as well as irene is doing
Irene cant beat erza because of plot and no one else can take erza shine
At best that can happen to give you hype would dragon force happening here
Or an irrelevant power character appears like laxus.
Why because laxus cant take the shine from erza because of plot. So you could see repeat of august vs cs in irene vs laxus. With laxus being completely utterly useless because erza has to shine
And keep in mimd august hasnt delivered anything either. Ne has taken out os members, whose combined strength is weaker than jura till proven otherwise and jellal is getting up
O you mean natsu is hated but he is still placed above much more hatted person. So hate obviously doesnt degrade powers
Still dont follow
Natsu is not hated as much as erza. In fact if you were to go to last page of natsu vs serena. People seems to think people are biased towards natsu. not against him.
No what you are doing are dehyping erza
It was clearly shown that day, racer taking out natsu, gray (with angel) and three other fodders in one blitz. Yet erza required three os memebers in a sneak attack to put her down.
You try to dehype erza because you already have
Laxus >>> erza>natsu
Set in mind
That is why you accept all hype in favor of laxus. And try to come up with logical justification to negate erza hype
You accept gmg jura hype. No question asked
But when markarov says erza could take out laxus
You go well maybe 20% chance
I dont even know how you will dehype the s class monster. But i am confidence that you will do so
Now laxus nuke is accepted as strongest thing known to mankind
But for irene hype. some sort of explanation
Wendy is a counter for irene. Thats it. Just like ultear was
Enhance erza is holding up to irene
which above fighting a normal springgam like wahl
Became jellal laxus and erza were around each other at the time. No where in the manga there is evidence to disprove this
Midnight is irrelevant now.
Midnight plus racer plus cobra plus hoteye (does this guy even fight) combined are weaker than jura. They are probably around tartarus erza and tartus jellal tier
An irrelevant tier
Basically august just took out jellal. Who is pretty much featless and jura
And jellal is getting back up to get feats. Becase unlike others he is not irrelevant
I like how you didnt mention ajeel is an aoe mage. While erza is not
That is one advantage ajeel had
Ajeel is immune to steal. That negates 90% of erza magic
Then erza had a medium level wind attcack. Which held up to all medium level ajeel spells
Not top tier ajeel spell sand world because erza was not that much stronger than ajeel
Simple rule
To find if someone hate some one
See if they treat characters differently
Laxus against erza is a prime example
Because they are opposite end of spectrum
Gray is also a good example because he is not a power player like erza and laxus. But he is mpre liked than erza.
He got pissed off that is power up
And most people now thinks he stomp. Which is again degrading of erza example
I dont need your reasons
I actually have enough data to support my hypothesis
Look up gmg natsu vs gig jura thread
Look up gmg erza plus mira vs gmg laxus
the difference is stark there
Yes, exactly(except for the much more hated part).
Oh? Did you miss all the people calling him "Plotsu" and raging at all his BS powerups? People hate Natsu at least as much as Erza, if not more.
Not at all, im just not going to overreact to Erza dodging a single attack, especially considering she couldnt land a single attack on Cobra 1v1.
Im certain ive told you in previous posts, i dont have FF Laxus that far above OS Erza. Its current Laxus that is well above her imo.
Difference is Jura was being hyped, Erza wasnt. Didnt you agree with me at the end of FF Laxus vs Erza anyway?
Im sure i would.
Strong enough to kill Azir, certainly.
What explanation about Eileen's hype? Did i have one? Did you?
So what if she's a counter? Should i suddenly be more impressed by Erza's performance?
Enhanced Erza is holding up Eileen with Wendy, who according to you is a good counter. So yeah, not beating Eileen despite being enhanced and fighting beside your so called "counter"<beating a spriggan.
We've already seen Erza struggling against a spriggan. So unless she gets a powerup or is stated to have gotten stronger, people arent gonna change their opinion on her, because they've already seen her at her limits. They'll just assume Azir couldve done just as well in that situation, which is reasonable.
People consider Jellal>Erza, people consider the OS combined>Wendy, just the way it is. Besides, beating them isnt what makes August seem so overpowered(it does a bit), the fact that he no diffed them is. If Eileen did the same to Erza and Wendy then people wouldnt be shitting on her so much.
What has AoE got to do with anything? Erza has fought AoE mages before and 90% of FT are AoE.
Not immune to water, which Erza happened to have.
Medium level Sand attacks that Erza couldnt get out of without Wind Armor.
Top tier spell Sand World decimated Erza. Erza's top tier, Nakagami works, but she couldnt beat Sand World with it without Bisca.
A simple rule that is totally wrong, sure.
If someone treats a character weak, then its prob cause they performed terribly. Look at Neinhart, he's a member of the spriggan 12, so he should be just as strong as the others right? No, he is treated like utter dogshit. Is it because people hate Jellal? No, people love Jellal. Neinhart just had a shitty performance, so people think he is shitty, the same thing is happening to Eileen, not because of Erza hate, but because she hasnt performed as well as people expected her to.
So yeah, you gotta stop calling people bias just cause they dont consider Erza as strong as you do.
People shit on Neinhart.
People shit on Larcade.
People shit on END.
People shit on Eileen.
Does that mean people hate Jellal, Sting, Gray or Erza? No, it just means that those characters didnt perform as well as they should have.
Yes, exactly(except for the much more hated part).
Oh? Did you miss all the people calling him "Plotsu" and raging at all his BS powerups? People hate Natsu at least as much as Erza, if not more.
Not at all, im just not going to overreact to Erza dodging a single attack, especially considering she couldnt land a single attack on Cobra 1v1.
Im certain ive told you in previous posts, i dont have FF Laxus that far above OS Erza. Its current Laxus that is well above her imo.
Difference is Jura was being hyped, Erza wasnt. Didnt you agree with me at the end of FF Laxus vs Erza anyway?
Im sure i would.
Strong enough to kill Azir, certainly.
What explanation about Eileen's hype? Did i have one? Did you?
So what if she's a counter? Should i suddenly be more impressed by Erza's performance?
Enhanced Erza is holding up Eileen with Wendy, who according to you is a good counter. So yeah, not beating Eileen despite being enhanced and fighting beside your so called "counter"<beating a spriggan.
We've already seen Erza struggling against a spriggan. So unless she gets a powerup or is stated to have gotten stronger, people arent gonna change their opinion on her, because they've already seen her at her limits. They'll just assume Azir couldve done just as well in that situation, which is reasonable.
People consider Jellal>Erza, people consider the OS combined>Wendy, just the way it is. Besides, beating them isnt what makes August seem so overpowered(it does a bit), the fact that he no diffed them is. If Eileen did the same to Erza and Wendy then people wouldnt be shitting on her so much.
What has AoE got to do with anything? Erza has fought AoE mages before and 90% of FT are AoE.
Not immune to water, which Erza happened to have.
Medium level Sand attacks that Erza couldnt get out of without Wind Armor.
Top tier spell Sand World decimated Erza. Erza's top tier, Nakagami works, but she couldnt beat Sand World with it without Bisca.
A simple rule that is totally wrong, sure.
If someone treats a character weak, then its prob cause they performed terribly. Look at Neinhart, he's a member of the spriggan 12, so he should be just as strong as the others right? No, he is treated like utter dogshit. Is it because people hate Jellal? No, people love Jellal. Neinhart just had a shitty performance, so people think he is shitty, the same thing is happening to Eileen, not because of Erza hate, but because she hasnt performed as well as people expected her to.
So yeah, you gotta stop calling people bias just cause they dont consider Erza as strong as you do.
People shit on Neinhart.
People shit on Larcade.
People shit on END.
People shit on Eileen.
Does that mean people hate Jellal, Sting, Gray or Erza? No, it just means that those characters didnt perform as well as they should have.
No they don't
Not even near
The rage for nature bs power ups which I like taking part in
Is as much noisy as
The rage for erza just getting panel time.
Plotsu lmao
That is like the worst treatment he gets.
How many attacks did august dodge from racer. Just one. O shit
Dodging one attack is generally considered enough is short bouts which you call fairy tail fight .
Cobra dodged non fast erza who was mainly trying to figure him out.
I said if you think erza can defeat laxus somehow it's reasonable
Meaning they are in the same class
Which they remain in the second time skip
And it's seems till now.
What do you mean erza wasnt hyped
Erza took out the s class monster who alone would be trouble for jura. Not including the 99 other monster. You just chose to ignore that hype.
I am sure you will have dehype irene somehow later on.
Erza struggled against ajeel for a specific reason. She couldn't see him. His fighting style is different.
Erza could stomp Serena and she will still struggle against ajeel because of just that
Nakagmi is not wind magic. Only wind magic or great aoe magic would work In ajeel top tier spell sand world.
Medium wind magic worked fine agi st ajeel medium sand spell
Erza has no top tier wind magic. Nor aoe like move. Thus nothing for ajeel top tier.
I remember natsu plus gray struggling against marin. Was that their limit
Nienhart did nothing. Just got one shot. That is why.
Irene is keeping up with erza just fine. She hasnt done anything because she has barely started to fight.
What you want her to do
Low diff erza. Yeah that will happen after aconologia low diffs end of series natsu and eat him up. Because that is how we expect fairy tail to end.
No. I already know people hate erza. Spoilers after every erza chapters says enough
No one is dehyped like nienhart. Other than irene. No one.
When peopleft start shitting on wahl for actually not doing anything. Then tell me
What did people expect from irene exactly.
Not to get soloed by erza.
They are either dumb or either extremely bias to think that after how Invel went down.
Erzs has to win her fight like every main character here. Thus she can't get low diff in the fight
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