@sharkai Saying that August only beat Gildarts and Crime Sorciere because of his copy magic is like saying that Irene only beat Erza and Wendy because of her Dragon form and her enchantments. August's copy magic is part of his magical power whether you want it to be. Even without that, he survived Gildarts' metal arm with minor injuries and only committed suicide for plot reasons. Dragon Irene was one shot by a single DS attack and was seriously injured by Erza. August >> POF Erza whether you like it or not so if he has DS magic he can kill Dragon Irene.
@sharkai Saying that August only beat Gildarts and Crime Sorciere because of his copy magic is like saying that Irene only beat Erza and Wendy because of her Dragon form and her enchantments. August's copy magic is part of his magical power whether you want it to be. Even without that, he survived Gildarts' metal arm with minor injuries and only committed suicide for plot reasons. Dragon Irene was one shot by a single DS attack and was seriously injured by Erza. August >> POF Erza whether you like it or not so if he has DS magic he can kill Dragon Irene.
Nope.
First August is not >> pof erza
Pof erza already has shown to overcome August level opponent top tier move
Only thing we know for sure is August is = human irene (mp wise)
The rest is our opinion
My point was August doesn't have better performance than irene
He won because of magical advantage
Same way dragon irene would win vs gildarts + cana + jellal + jura + hybrion
Not because irene is stronger than them, but because of magical advantage
Thus battles like these doesn't show better performance. August looks more impressive because of this magical advantage. Remove that and then what does he has.
Say August vs erza
August can't copy sh!t.
August can copy everything Erza has. Her magic is just some sort of dimension warping her stuff. She doesn't need to hold anything to use magic. Yes, her armor and weapons do have their own magic power and abilities which August cant copy but he just can copy Erza's magic and bring her stuff to himself.
Also, with his superior power he could just wipe her stuff and leave her powerless.
August can copy everything Erza has. Her magic is just some sort of dimension warping her stuff. She doesn't need to hold anything to use magic. Yes, her armor and weapons do have their own magic power and abilities which August cant copy but he just can copy Erza's magic and bring her stuff to himself.
Also, with his superior power he could just wipe her stuff and leave her powerless.
No he can't.
Erza has stupid magic. She only knows one caster magic. Which August can copy. That is requip.
Rest is holder type. The armors and weapons. Which is in her own space and no one can access that. Minerva couldn't, Marin couldn't and nor can August.
And stop giving benefits of doubt to the person you support. This doesn't make for valid arguments
A better fight would be rufus vs erza. He can make her forget requip, thus actually leaving her powerless
@sharkai Saying that August only beat Gildarts and Crime Sorciere because of his copy magic is like saying that Irene only beat Erza and Wendy because of her Dragon form and her enchantments. August's copy magic is part of his magical power whether you want it to be. Even without that, he survived Gildarts' metal arm with minor injuries and only committed suicide for plot reasons. Dragon Irene was one shot by a single DS attack and was seriously injured by Erza. August >> POF Erza whether you like it or not so if he has DS magic he can kill Dragon Irene.
No he can't.
Erza has stupid magic. She only knows one caster magic. Which August can copy. That is requip.
Rest is holder type. The armors and weapons. Which is in her own space and no one can access that. Minerva couldn't, Marin couldn't and nor can August.
And stop giving benefits of doubt to the person you support. This doesn't make for valid arguments
A better fight would be rufus vs erza. He can make her forget requip, thus actually leaving her powerless
So you are trying to say that Rufus can make Erza forget requip but August, who basically showed feats of undoing people's magic, cant do the same??
You said nothing that contradict my point - August can copy Erza's magic, undo it or use it for himself. It doesn't matter if he gets access to her space or not, he still has her magic and can undo everything.
Why would Minerva or Marin need access to her space anyway?
"And stop giving benefits of doubt to the person you support"
Manga pretty much established that August and Irene are on a whole different lvl compared to any other human wizard. And August is a perfect cheater. He can undo magic and force you to fight with physical strength, and there is no one on that lvl of strength except dragons.
It looks like you just take what is shown in manga and don't think through it more. There is no plot in fights here. August wont be standing like stupid statue and waiting, he will fight. Do you think Erza's armor, if August wont make her fight naked, can hold on attacks on his lvl? All her armor got useless long from GMG time, she still only has Nakagami, and I dubt it would do shit to August lvl of durability even if it can cut through his magic (which I also dubt).
PS. Stop using holder type magic shit as an excuse against August. It is not something that makes him lose the fight, it just some magic he cant undo, he can still block it or steal the holding stuff, or walk away, or just kill the user. What holder type magic is there to beat August? Keys that he can just grab and use for himself? Magic swords that wont do shit to his body? Jupiter canon that can only destroy x784 Erza's sheald? Etherion? Well, maybe Etherion can make some damage, but why would he be waiting when it hits him?
Manga pretty much established that August and Irene are on a whole different lvl compared to any other human wizard. And August is a perfect cheater. He can undo magic and force you to fight with physical strength, and there is no one on that lvl of strength except dragons.
It looks like you just take what is shown in manga and don't think through it more. There is no plot in fights here. August wont be standing like stupid statue and waiting, he will fight. Do you think Erza's armor, if August wont make her fight naked, can hold on attacks on his lvl? All her armor got useless long from GMG time, she still only has Nakagami, and I dubt it would do shit to August lvl of durability even if it can cut through his magic (which I also dubt).
PS. Stop using holder type magic shit as an excuse against August. It is not something that makes him lose the fight, it just some magic he cant undo, he can still block it or steal the holding stuff, or walk away, or just kill the user. What holder type magic is there to beat August? Keys that he can just grab and use for himself? Magic swords that wont do shit to his body? Jupiter canon that can only destroy x784 Erza's sheald? Etherion? Well, maybe Etherion can make some damage, but why would he be waiting when it hits him?
Because that is his stated weakness. He didnt even relieve cana of her cards, nor gildarts arm and here you think he is gonna somehow pop into erza space (which even Minerva didnt) and steal her armour's lol
1) He can't undo magic that has not been done on him
2) and he can't access erza dimensions
Because that is rufus magic
He copies and make people forget
August magic is
He copies and nullifies
He cannot nullify magic that is not happening on him
So yes, he can't nullify magic that has not been done on him. So erza requip can't be nullified
August can't make her fight naked. That is not his magic.
With pof, erza can do serious damage to him. She destroyed deus sema, remember
Because that is his stated weakness. He didnt even relieve cana of her cards, nor gildarts arm and here you think he is gonna somehow pop into erza space (which even Minerva didnt) and steal her armour's lol
1) He can't undo magic that has not been done on him
2) and he can't access erza dimensions
Actually, that is not really the limit of his Copy, it is that he can't copy Holder type magic, and it would be instantaneous so it would be before it even comes to harm him, Requip is Caster magic which he can copy and nullify. Actually, he may be able to copy magic even when the wizard has not used it yet from context.
Actually, that is not really the limit of his Copy, it is that he can't copy Holder type magic, and it would be instantaneous so it would be before it even comes to harm him, Requip is Caster magic which he can copy and nullify. Actually, he may be able to copy magic even when the wizard has not used it yet from context.
Yes because how he called Racer Slow and how Cobra didn't dodge the attack when he can hear an attack coming.
Theoretically he could, just like Velveno with drain, if it's her's directly then he could gain access to her armor and weapons. He just can't copy the magic of magic items because does not have the same items to copy, like Lucy's keys.
Wendy could only counter when Irene was not serious or when she had Irene’s body which had more power than her own body, really it is only underestimating her young age, didn’t expect her to know such spells. That is because of all of Erza’s power ups and such, something that she had from Irene, herself and Wendy. remember that Erza before could tank the combined blasts of not only the strongest wizards in FT and that of Tenrou and became even stronger since then. But with Makarov, he has become weakened in his old age which made him not at his prime.
Just because Irene didn't expect Wendy to counter her, it doesn't mean that she wasn't serious. In fact, Irene fought more aggressively than Wendy throughout the fight and was constantly on the attack (such as trying to steal Wendy's body) - it's just that she made a mistake and realized that Wendy could compete against her own enchantments.
Even before Erza's power-ups and PoF happened in their fight, Irene was still being outperformed and out-maneuvered, especially by Wendy.
And sure, while Makarov aged a lot towards the end of the original series, I'm quite certain that a top-tier like Gildartz had surpassed him even before all the health issues. Plus, I'm sure that many young wizards have surpassed other veteran/experienced wizards, so in my opinion, experience doesn't guarantee superiority in a fight.
Just because Irene didn't expect Wendy to counter her, it doesn't mean that she wasn't serious. In fact, Irene fought more aggressively than Wendy throughout the fight and was constantly on the attack (such as trying to steal Wendy's body) - it's just that she made a mistake and realized that Wendy could compete against her own enchantments.
Even before Erza's power-ups and PoF happened in their fight, Irene was still being outperformed and out-maneuvered, especially by Wendy.
And sure, while Makarov aged a lot towards the end of the original series, I'm quite certain that a top-tier like Gildartz had surpassed him even before all the health issues. Plus, I'm sure that many young wizards have surpassed other veteran/experienced wizards, so in my opinion, experience doesn't guarantee superiority in a fight.
She wasn't though, she didn't even use her stronger spells or even her dragon form, she even used her personality spell on Wendy, even with Wendy in Irene's body overpowered Irene in Wendy's body and who could tap into her potential, it is stated that power levels matter in enchantment's affects, that would show that Irene's power is greater than Wendy's, she was just angry, not going all out. again, Irene was not serious, she could blitz Erza before she even realized Irene was in front of her, and Erza was angry too.. but even so, it would show his relevance as a Wizard when he cast Fairy Law before his temporary death that even most wizards struggled at that time.
Not really. August's performances were better than Irene's performances because he didn't make repeated mistakes in his battle against Gildartz and Jellal + OS like Irene did against Wendy + Erza.
And it is quite obvious that August has superior magic compared to Irene. Anyone would agree with this. It is also the reason why August is the clear winner of this fight/match-up.
Besides, Irene had amajor advantageagainst Wendy + Erza. She could turn into a full-fledged dragon while Wendy + Erza could not. It's just that Irene is a weak dragon that could be instantly reverted from being hit by a sword with Wendy's infused-DS magic.
Wendy's DS magic alone was enough to revert Irene from her dragon form.
Are you implying that if dragon irene gives wendy a chance, she can one shot irene dragon form?
i also have another question.
earlier, you said, you believe that Irene can turn August into a rat, but he will nullify it. but in the recent revived thread " Gidarts Clive vs Spriggan " you seems to believe gildarts can even take out dragon irene. May i ask how does Rat Gildarts handle irene? unless you dont believe irene can turn Gildarts and August into a rat.
I never said Wendy could oneshot Irene in her dragon form... I said that Wendy could revertIrene from her dragon form, which means that Irene would be turned back to her human form just like how Erza's sword with Wendy's infused-DS magic was capable of doing so in the manga.
As for Gildartz vs. Dragon Irene, I personally believe that Gildartz can still cube Irene in Dragon Form and beat her that way (it was never stated that you need DS magic to cube a physical body). However, if we're talking about purely dealing physical damage to Irene's dragon body, then Gildartz would need DS magic for that.
And even if Irene can turn Gildartz into a rat, he'll still win because he can just cube her into blocks at the exact same time. And once Irene is turned into blocks, Gildartz will return to his original form and win. Being turned into a rat doesn't mean you're incapacitated. It was shown in the manga that Hisui turned back to normal after Irene had been beaten/defeated.
you also seems to think august is faster than irene. is gildarts faster than erza, laxus and jellal? and if so, how do you know this?
Now lets talk about August magic
what does the manga shows.
He faces mages well below him, like jellal and gildarts. he copies their magic, and use their own magic with greater mp back at them.
he doesnt seems to remember old magic he copied.
and do we know any limit to his coping ability, like can he copy ds magic
say
natsu vs august happens.
can august copy natsu magic and all modes? like lfd, fire dragon king and dragon force? would august also dragonize? would august be able to eat fire
You have no proof that Irene is faster than August or that Erza, Laxus, and Jellal are faster than Gildartz... so if you want to make those claims, then unfortunately, the burden of proof is on you.
And if you consider Jellal and Gildartz "well below" August, then Irene struggling against Wendy + Erza is even more of an embarrassment. If anything, that actually supports the argument that August >>> Irene.
Also, August's Copy Magic is not memory-based. So he doesn't need to "remember" the magic in order to use them.
And no, August doesn't copy everything about a particular magic. He only copies individual magic spells. That means he doesn't have access to all the modes, dragonization capabilities, or magical properties.
Anyways, that's besides the point:
Even without cubing Irene, August can just instantly put Irene to sleep and pierce her body with a beam.
She wasn't though, she didn't even use her stronger spells or even her dragon form, she even used her personality spell on Wendy, even with Wendy in Irene's body overpowered Irene in Wendy's body and who could tap into her potential, it is stated that power levels matter in enchantment's affects, that would show that Irene's power is greater than Wendy's, she was just angry, not going all out. again, Irene was not serious, she could blitz Erza before she even realized Irene was in front of her, and Erza was angry too.. but even so, it would show his relevance as a Wizard when he cast Fairy Law before his temporary death that even most wizards struggled at that time.
That was called a mistake. Unfortunately, Irene was being serious in her fight and had every intention to win, she just made a huge blunder and didn't expect her opponents to be strong/skillful enough to fight back and counter her enchantments.
Switching bodies with Wendy wasn't necessarily a disadvantage to Irene since she was able to self-inflict damage to Wendy's body before switching back, which left Wendy incapacitated for a while.
Even when Irene got her body and powers back, she still struggled against Erza (and Wendy at the end).
And using her dragon form or stronger spells from the beginning wouldn't exactly help Irene considering that Wendy + Erza can just revert her back to her human form with 1 slash and destroy Deus Sema (just like they did at the end of their battle in the manga).
She would basically be forced to fight the way that she did at the beginning and repeat the same struggles.
Human Irene might be able to speed blitz Erza initially, but she wouldn't be able to one-shot Erza... especially since her dragon claw swipe couldn't even take Erza out in 1 hit.
I do agree that Makarov is a formidable mage and stronger than the majority of wizards in the manga; however, I just disagree with the fact that being "more experienced" automatically makes you "the superior fighter". For me, it comes down to the characters' performances.
Not really. August's performances were better than Irene's performances because he didn't make repeated mistakes in his battle against Gildartz and Jellal + OS like Irene did against Wendy + Erza.
And it is quite obvious that August has superior magic compared to Irene. Anyone would agree with this. It is also the reason why August is the clear winner of this fight/match-up.
Besides, Irene had amajor advantageagainst Wendy + Erza. She could turn into a full-fledged dragon while Wendy + Erza could not. It's just that Irene is a weak dragon that could be instantly reverted from being hit by a sword with Wendy's infused-DS magic.
I never said Wendy could oneshot Irene in her dragon form... I said that Wendy could revertIrene from her dragon form, which means that Irene would be turned back to her human form just like how Erza's sword with Wendy's infused-DS magic was capable of doing so in the manga.
As for Gildartz vs. Dragon Irene, I personally believe that Gildartz can still cube Irene in Dragon Form and beat her that way (it was never stated that you need DS magic to cube a physical body). However, if we're talking about purely dealing physical damage to Irene's dragon body, then Gildartz would need DS magic for that.
And even if Irene can turn Gildartz into a rat, he'll still win because he can just cube her into blocks at the exact same time. And once Irene is turned into blocks, Gildartz will return to his original form and win. Being turned into a rat doesn't mean you're incapacitated. It was shown in the manga that Hisui turned back to normal after Irene had been beaten/defeated.
You have no proof that Irene is faster than August or that Erza, Laxus, and Jellal are faster than Gildartz... so if you want to make those claims, then unfortunately, the burden of proof is on you.
And if you consider Jellal and Gildartz "well below" August, then Irene struggling against Wendy + Erza is even more of an embarrassment. If anything, that actually supports the argument that August >>> Irene.
Also, August's Copy Magic is not memory-based. So he doesn't need to "remember" the magic in order to use them.
And no, August doesn't copy everything about a particular magic. He only copies individual magic spells. That means he doesn't have access to all the modes, dragonization capabilities, or magical properties.
Anyways, that's besides the point:
Even without cubing Irene, August can just instantly put Irene to sleep and pierce her body with a beam.
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That was called a mistake. Unfortunately, Irene was being serious in her fight and had every intention to win, she just made a huge blunder and didn't expect her opponents to be strong/skillful enough to fight back and counter her enchantments.
Switching bodies with Wendy wasn't necessarily a disadvantage to Irene since she was able to self-inflict damage to Wendy's body before switching back, which left Wendy incapacitated for a while.
Even when Irene got her body and powers back, she still struggled against Erza (and Wendy at the end).
And using her dragon form or stronger spells from the beginning wouldn't exactly help Irene considering that Wendy + Erza can just revert her back to her human form with 1 slash and destroy Deus Sema (just like they did at the end of their battle in the manga).
She would basically be forced to fight the way that she did at the beginning and repeat the same struggles.
Human Irene might be able to speed blitz Erza initially, but she wouldn't be able to one-shot Erza... especially since her dragon claw swipe couldn't even take Erza out in 1 hit.
I do agree that Makarov is a formidable mage and stronger than the majority of wizards in the manga; however, I just disagree with the fact that being "more experienced" automatically makes you "the superior fighter". For me, it comes down to the characters' performances.
Mistake as only to not get serious when she saw someone cancel her enchantment, nothing about the difference in power which Wendy admits that Irene’s power is stronger, when she took it seriously a little she could possess Wendy’s body. She was not in her right mind set, if she wanted to win, she could have done so a number of ways. Plus it is proven that magic power does affect the level of the enchantment even when Wendy used all her magic power to enchant her friends despite having enough for a few more enchantments. She did that because she didn’t want to lose her new body, she didn’t want to return to a body she didn’t want. Erza had Irene’s enchantment empowering her the entire time after Irene returned to her original body. It would because Erza doesn’t have Irene’s enchantment at that point and even with DS from Wendy wouldn’t help since DS alone is not enough as proven in Eclipse Gate event. She could if she wanted, just use a little more magic than before in an enchantment and Wendy can’t counter. Knowledge is a factor to one’s strength as well with Meditation helps one increase one’s magic power.
Not really. August's performances were better than Irene's performances because he didn't make repeated mistakes in his battle against Gildartz and Jellal + OS like Irene did against Wendy + Erza.
And it is quite obvious that August has superior magic compared to Irene. Anyone would agree with this. It is also the reason why August is the clear winner of this fight/match-up.
Besides, Irene had amajor advantageagainst Wendy + Erza. She could turn into a full-fledged dragon while Wendy + Erza could not. It's just that Irene is a weak dragon that could be instantly reverted from being hit by a sword with Wendy's infused-DS magic.
I never said Wendy could oneshot Irene in her dragon form... I said that Wendy could revertIrene from her dragon form, which means that Irene would be turned back to her human form just like how Erza's sword with Wendy's infused-DS magic was capable of doing so in the manga.
first, knowing mishma, you honestly think irene will be weak anything. she is erza mother, she was praised/shocked by both dragons god she met. her theme is her abnormal amount of power. you honestly think mishma would ever consider her weak?
second, again i would like to ask (with little rephrase) Are you implying that if dragon irene gives wendy a chance, she can one shot/ three shot irene dragon form?
I said that Wendy could revertIrene from her dragon form, which means that Irene would be turned back to her human form just like how Erza's sword with Wendy's infused-DS magic was capable of doing so in the manga.
And even if Irene can turn Gildartz into a rat, he'll still win because he can just cube her into blocks at the exact same time. And once Irene is turned into blocks, Gildartz will return to his original form and win. Being turned into a rat doesn't mean you're incapacitated. It was shown in the manga that Hisui turned back to normal after Irene had been beaten/defeated.
yes, Gildarts will only revert if irene beaten/defeated, and rat is not the only thing she can convert him into, though. she can covert him to a snail, or something super slow and physically weak
You have no proof that Irene is faster than August or that Erza, Laxus, and Jellal are faster than Gildartz... so if you want to make those claims, then unfortunately, the burden of proof is on you.
And if you consider Jellal and Gildartz "well below" August, then Irene struggling against Wendy + Erza is even more of an embarrassment. If anything, that actually supports the argument that August >>> Irene.
feat wise jellal and gildarts arent well below August. magicless jellal and gildarts are well below august
exactly the same way as we discussed before
that gildarts + cana + jellal + jura + hybrion (with no ability to harm dragons) are well below dragon irene
basically making irene >>> august
Also, August's Copy Magic is not memory-based. So he doesn't need to "remember" the magic in order to use them.
And no, August doesn't copy everything about a particular magic. He only copies individual magic spells. That means he doesn't have access to all the modes, dragonization capabilities, or magical properties.
i dont understand. and you have no proof. august has not shown to use midnight refractor against cana cards, nor cobra hearing against gildarts. he doesnt seems to have to access to those magic anymore
Mistake as only to not get serious when she saw someone cancel her enchantment, nothing about the difference in power which Wendy admits that Irene’s power is stronger, when she took it seriously a little she could possess Wendy’s body. She was not in her right mind set, if she wanted to win, she could have done so a number of ways. Plus it is proven that magic power does affect the level of the enchantment even when Wendy used all her magic power to enchant her friends despite having enough for a few more enchantments. She did that because she didn’t want to lose her new body, she didn’t want to return to a body she didn’t want. Erza had Irene’s enchantment empowering her the entire time after Irene returned to her original body. It would because Erza doesn’t have Irene’s enchantment at that point and even with DS from Wendy wouldn’t help since DS alone is not enough as proven in Eclipse Gate event. She could if she wanted, just use a little more magic than before in an enchantment and Wendy can’t counter. Knowledge is a factor to one’s strength as well with Meditation helps one increase one’s magic power.
Irene's mistake was underestimating her opponents and not expecting Wendy to counter her enchantments. Irene was fighting seriously, but she was just outclassed by Wendy who kept negating her enchantments.
And possessing Wendy's body isn't even that difficult. Wendy was also able to take control of Irene's body, so there's nothing impressive about Irene stealing Wendy's body.
Irene clearly wanted to win, which is why she transformed into her dragon form and casted Deus Sema. She just did not expect Erza to destroy the meteor and be easily reverted by Erza's sword + Wendy's infused-DS magic.
And by the way, having more MP doesn't mean your enchantments are irreversible. Someone with enough skill can still counter your enchantments, which is what Wendy did to Irene.
And actually, Irene self-inflicting damage on Wendy's body had nothing to do with her switching back to her original body. Wendy already successfully performed the detachment enchantment, so Irene had no choice but to return back to her original body. Irene was just desperate to win, which is why she self-inflicted damage before leaving Wendy's body.
Erza having Irene's enchantment empowering her is because Irene made a mistake... It also shows that Wendy was strong enough to replicate most of Irene's enchantments.
Wendy's DS magic was enough to revert Dragon Irene back to her human form. That just proves that Irene is a weak dragon compared to other dragons in the manga.
And I disagree. Irene couldn't stop Wendy from countering her enchantments even if she wanted to. Enchantments are primarily based on skill, so putting more MP into your enchantments doesn't make it irreversible.
Actually, it does have something to do with Wendy.
Irene and Wendy are both dragon slayers, but only Irene has the ability to transform into a full-fledged dragon at will. So Irene does have a major advantage.
first, knowing mishma, you honestly think irene will be weak anything. she is erza mother, she was praised/shocked by both dragons god she met. her theme is her abnormal amount of power. you honestly think mishma would ever consider her weak?
second, again i would like to ask (with little rephrase) Are you implying that if dragon irene gives wendy a chance, she can one shot/ three shot irene dragon form?
Sorry, but if you don't understand what I wrote, then I can't really help ya there.
I said Irene is a weak dragon. Note the second word. This was made plainly obvious when Dragon Irene was easily reverted by Erza's sword + Wendy's infused-DS magic.
In contrast, other dragons in the manga have been hit by stronger DS magic, yet they did not revert back to their human form like Irene did.
And no, I am not implying that Wendy can oneshot or threeshot Irene's dragon form... I said that Wendy can revert Dragon Irene back to her human form since she has DS magic.
yes, Gildarts will only revert if irene beaten/defeated, and rat is not the only thing she can convert him into, though. she can covert him to a snail, or something super slow and physically weak
Sure, but Irene being cubed to blocks would mean that she is beaten/defeated. And even if she turns him into a snail, he'd still turn back to his original form after cubing her.
Lol, I didn't imply anything. But if you want to make the claim that August and Human Irene have the same speed, then the burden of proof is still on you.
feat wise jellal and gildarts arent well below August. magicless jellal and gildarts are well below august
exactly the same way as we discussed before
that gildarts + cana + jellal + jura + hybrion (with no ability to harm dragons) are well below dragon irene
basically making irene >>> august
If you say that Jellal and Gildartz are "magicless" against August, theneveryone is magicless against August, including Irene.
The only exception to this would be Holder-Type Wizards.
And no, the "gildarts + cana + jellal + jura + hybrion (with no ability to harm dragons) are well below dragon irene" statement does not apply here because this thread is "August vs. Irene", which means that Irene starts in her human form.
i dont understand. and you have no proof. august has not shown to use midnight refractor against cana cards, nor cobra hearing against gildarts. he doesnt seems to have to access to those magic anymore
You have no proof either. And just because he didn't use their magic doesn't mean that he can't.
He was able to freely control Gildartz's cubing technique after it had been casted on him and was even able to use it to counterattack Gildartz. Not to mention, August has used other spells before without copying anybody's magic, such as the large fire pillar spell, Ars Magia, and the sleeping spell.
And since Irene was never shown to turn Wendy or Erza into a rat, then I guess the spell wouldn't work against August either?
Show me, where, in the Manga, the other dragons were stroke by a power strong enough to destroy a meteor.
In GmG, no DS had this strength and Icount on the 7.
Because, yes, Wendy infused the seal as DS Magic, but it's Erza's strength who made this critical slash, not Wendy's power level.
Erza's strength was tremendeous this moment, strong enough to break through a meteore with a body into pieces.
Unless you think this Erza was weaker than Laxus's GmG or Natsu's, which is irrelevant for me.
