Discussion Baam and Wolhaiksong

[Sakashi]

Wolhaiksong:

• https://towerofgod.fandom.com/wiki/Wolhaiksong

The strongest members:

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  Urek Mazino

  Urek Mazino (우렉 마지노, "Urek Majino") is an Irregular, currently 4th in Rank. He was the strongest active Ranker before Zahard became active once again. He is also the most recent person to be part of the Top 5 High Rankers inside the Tower. He is considered to be on the same level as Phantaminum...

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  Baek Ryun

  Baek Ryun (백련, Baekryeon, Backryun) is the Ruler of the 77th Floor and the best friend of Urek Mazino. He was one of the founding members of and is the current head of Wolhaiksong. It is said that he's one of the most gifted Wave Controller in the Tower's history. As one of the top 10 High...

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Hey guys, as you know Wolhaiksong is one of the strongest organisations in the tower because of its influence and members like Urek Mazino and Bayek Ryun. I made this thread to discuss the role of Wolhaiksong. We know that Urek Mazino is interested in Baam and we have seen panels of people telling Baam that Urek is waiting for him, not to mention Urek himself said it in a panel. The organisation has their base at floor 77 and we know that Baam is on floor 50? Right now I think. Baam is gonna meet Urek and the rest of the organisation soon but how will this affect Wolhaiksong? We know that the war going on at the nest right now will lead to a huge change in the tower because no one has ever stood up to Zahard and won, not to mention against 2 squadrons. Baam and his allies will get hunted harder after the war as they climb.

Now to the point, what do you guys think that Wolhaiksong is going to do? Not even family leaders can look down on Wolhaiksong because of Urek that is ranked 4th in the tower and is a irregular. He is interested in Baam but Zahard is after Baam. Do you guys think that Wolhaiksong is going to stay quiet and back out? Or do you think that they will play a huge role in protecting Baam against Zahard? Do you think that Urek himself is gonna protect Baam against Zahard and the 10 family leaders? What role will Wolhaiksong play in all of this?

 

[projectX]

Baek Ryun is the person who probably will play a major role to turn Baam into the best Wave Controller ever.He is said to be the best together with Eurasia Blossom.
Urek is not afraid from anyone and will fight if want.HE is interested from Baam and definetly will help him but still we dont know when.It may be in the begining of princesses arc if Yuri will be executed and Urek and Baam will try to save her or it may happen directly after the war in the nest.Urek wont left Baam.
Wolhaiksong have the power of one Great Family but they are not big enought to stand against all 10 Great Families and Zahard Army.Baam will need a lot of strong allies to help him if he want to go to Zahard and Wolhaiksong will be one of them.

 

[Copy Panda]

Not really a hot take since Urek literally invited Baam to their HQ on the 77th floor

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Personally I think to leave the tower at some point the wing tree will need to move past Zahard, at which point the non-aggression pact sorta goes out of the window. Baam will probably be the lynchpin that allows them to gain the numbers to fight the Zahard army. ToG is basically shounen, I don't think there's a tonne of depth to it

 

[Jubei_Kibagami]

I've said it before I'll say it again (since you made a thread about it and all):

WT's non-interventionist position is (was?) easy to maintain in a time of relative peace. Millennia have gone by without major conflict so of course each party could allow the other to operate without conflict. But, now, the tower is starting to become engulfed in the flames of war. If not by Baam and FUG by Gustang (who we still haven't seen what his war activity looks like YEARS after declaring war) - possibly even other factions to even include admin themselves.

Yuri is a prisoner. While she's not a WT member.... she's effectively one. She's friends on a personal level with BOTH the important CEO's, was there at the founding, dictates who gives up the insignia wings, commands a raid party of WT members to go on 2F, and Urek himself has shown protection of her. Now that she's at risk of punishment I cannot see Urek just sitting on his hands. This is do-what-I-want, fly by the seat of my pants Urek. Urek that's not afraid of anyone - Gustang or even Phanti (his mistake). Urek who can inarguably solo any FH and MAY even be able to solo Zahard himself. If his bestie is under duress, he will move at some point. Maybe not all of WT will, but Urek IS WingTree. They will move if he moves. Same with Baek.

Also, Baam. Urek has respect for Baam's character. He relates to Baam as they are both irregulars and attempts have been made to control them for others' means. He is not ambivalent about what happens to him. He has specifically ordered a WT member tail Baam to monitor his activity. As the above poster mentions, Baam may even be needed for Urek to realize his own ambitions (deposing Zahard, opening up 135F, or maybe even full thorn abilities... any or all of these could affect Urek being able to get out). Let alone that Urek simply likes Baam as a person and will hopefully train him as a protege.

 

[Sakashi]

I've said it before I'll say it again (since you made a thread about it and all):

WT's non-interventionist position is (was?) easy to maintain in a time of relative peace. Millennia have gone by without major conflict so of course each party could allow the other to operate without conflict. But, now, the tower is starting to become engulfed in the flames of war. If not by Baam and FUG by Gustang (who we still haven't seen what his war activity looks like YEARS after declaring war) - possibly even other factions to even include admin themselves.

Yuri is a prisoner. While she's not a WT member.... she's effectively one. She's friends on a personal level with BOTH the important CEO's, was there at the founding, dictates who gives up the insignia wings, commands a raid party of WT members to go on 2F, and Urek himself has shown protection of her. Now that she's at risk of punishment I cannot see Urek just sitting on his hands. This is do-what-I-want, fly by the seat of my pants Urek. Urek that's not afraid of anyone - Gustang or even Phanti (his mistake). Urek who can inarguably solo any FH and MAY even be able to solo Zahard himself. If his bestie is under duress, he will move at some point. Maybe not all of WT will, but Urek IS WingTree. They will move if he moves. Same with Baek.

Also, Baam. Urek has respect for Baam's character. He relates to Baam as they are both irregulars and attempts have been made to control them for others' means. He is not ambivalent about what happens to him. He has specifically ordered a WT member tail Baam to monitor his activity. As the above poster mentions, Baam may even be needed for Urek to realize his own ambitions (deposing Zahard, opening up 135F, or maybe even full thorn abilities... any or all of these could affect Urek being able to get out). Let alone that Urek simply likes Baam as a person and will hopefully train him as a protege.

I agree, Urek is most likely going to protect Baam because he is interested in him and Wolhaiksong will play a role, just like FUG to protect Baam against Zahard. We know that FUG doesn’t have the power to compete with the 10 families, but Wolhaiksong does.

I also think that Urek knows about Arlene. There is a big chance since Garam wanted Urek to kill Zahard, but he declined. Also, why Urek’s sudden interest in Baam? It can’t just be because Baam is a irregular. It feels like it has to be something more, something much deeper.

 

[King Dryst]

Also, why Urek’s sudden interest in Baam? It can’t just be because Baam is a irregular.

It's not. Urek took an interest in Baam before sussing out that he's a fellow Irregular. Baam impressed him with his courage and potential during the Zygeana test. He's been keeping an eye on Baam's progress since then, and went out of his way to be able to cross his path on the Floor of Death.

 

[Irvergnimacokh]

He likes Baam, but not because he is irregulare like him, but because he sees similarities between them, both of them entered the tower not for gaining more power and richies, both of them value friendship, also he liked his courage both in Zageina incident and in Floor of Death. Considering that Yuri is now in prison, this would be a great opportunity to meet with each other, also he will protect Baam until later will be strong enough to do it for himself. We can safely assume that after Baam, with his help, freed Yuri, her grand gradma will join Baam too, you can count Gustang and Eurasia Blossom, after he freed Enne too. If theory about Yeon Hanas unrequiered love towards V is true, then after he saves Yeon Ihva too the head of Yeon family will aid him either. I just have a feeling that Ha Jinsung will die in the end of this rescue arc, which will set Baam to loose himself into grievances and anger, so he will swore to himself to save Yuri at ALL costs, then he will connect with Urek.

 

[kkck]

Honestly, no idea. A lot depends on how much the organization has changed from what SIU originally described in blog posts and whatnot. From the wiki:

The rumours about Wolhaiksong being an anti-government organisation are false.[8]

Wolhaiksong goal is not to overthrow the government, but rather "finding a way outside of the Tower". However, FUG is still often compared to the Wolhaiksong because of their opposition to the 10 Great Families.

The organisation consists more of a "social club" centered around several members whose objective is "to find a way out of the Tower", as opposed to FUG which can be seen as a "religious organisation" centred around a single faith with the aim of killing Zahard.[9]

Although the relationship between the FUG and Wolhaiksong is not that good, there are a few members who are associated with both groups.

That's not really much to go on but at least as originally presented wolhaiksong isn't out to get zahard and such a shift would be a substantial deviation from how they have been presented and presumably work. they also probably aren't quite as organized as other groups, given their loose status as a social club. And sure, we have seen them take action at times... but nothing we have seen from them so far really deviates from the lore or seriously suggests they are even as united as other groups. It's not necessarily the case that wolhaiksong can just call on an army to fight zahard. As many members are likely to maintain some sort of loyalty to zahard... Given that affiliation to the empire or fug does not rule out someone being a part of wolfhaikson.

 

[Copy Panda]

Is the 135th level the confirmed final level of the tower? Since they want to go to the outside, I wonder if they've ever tried blowing up a hole or sth

 

[kkck]

Is the 135th level the confirmed final level of the tower? Since they want to go to the outside, I wonder if they've ever tried blowing up a hole or sth

Not confirmed that its the final floor. It is the only level confirmed after floor 134 though. Who knows, to me at least its not clear what exactly separates each floor...

 

[Copy Panda]

Yeah, we've never actually seen someone go up a level. Once you've cleared a level it's apparently easy to go up? We haven't seen the mid or outer tower either, and given the way the plot is progressing it's unlikely we'll ever go to those places.

 

[Jubei_Kibagami]

It's not confirmed final floor, but SIU did state that it's like another universe entirely or something to that effect.

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"For the world above 135th floor, you can see it as a whole different world ^^"

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For the exact quote.

So, it's markedly different and not just an arbitrary decision for Zahard to stop. It's not just that it has a stronger/angrier admin. It, IMO, probably is the final floor in that case, but who knows.

 

[divica]

I actually don t think urek will get involved in the upcoming war or yuri's rescue.

He know if he does it the FH will intervene and he will have to fight them. And he really doesn t seem to want to get involved with the FH.

I think it is more likely that he will serve as a link between the ha FH and fug (via baam) to rescue yuri. And it will probably be related to some princess arc...

 

[Irvergnimacokh]

I actually don t think urek will get involved in the upcoming war or yuri's rescue.

He know if he does it the FH will intervene and he will have to fight them. And he really doesn t seem to want to get involved with the FH.

I think it is more likely that he will serve as a link between the ha FH and fug (via baam) to rescue yuri. And it will probably be related to some princess arc...

Dude, because of small (for his level) accident in Floor of Death, Urek wanted to destroy Po Bidou family (Gustang understood it without any words exchanged) , do you think he will stand and watch how Zah treats his friend?! He wasn’t involving in towers life, because he wasn’t interested in it, only wanted to find a way to escape. Zahard understood that and decided to do not touch him, same way Urek didn’t want to meddle in Zah businesses(this is the reason why he constantly rejects Garams purposes to kill of the king). But if someone meddles in his business or with his friends, then situation will completely change. When time will come, to rescue Yuri, all Wolfhangsonk will backup Baam to get job done.

 

[divica]

Dude, because of small (for his level) accident in Floor of Death, Urek wanted to destroy Po Bidou family (Gustang understood it without any words exchanged) , do you think he will stand and watch how Zah treats his friend?! He wasn’t involving in towers life, because he wasn’t interested in it, only wanted to find a way to escape. Zahard understood that and decided to do not touch him, same way Urek didn’t want to meddle in Zah businesses(this is the reason why he constantly rejects Garams purposes to kill of the king). But if someone meddles in his business or with his friends, then situation will completely change. When time will come, to rescue Yuri, all Wolfhangsonk will backup Baam to get job done.

The problem is if he helps yuri it would be a declaration of war wagainst jahad. And we know urek doesn t want that.
And don t forget that they aren t killing her. So there are a lot of things urek can do before having to intervene himself. And we know that the ha familly head is upset about how they are treating yuri.

I wouldn t be surprised if baam ends up helping the ha familly find something to trade for yuri (it can even be some asshole from fug) or if he will try to sign some truce between the ha familly and fug for payment of rescuing yuri or some other thing.
The main point is that fug and some unknown people can participate in rescuing yuri. urek can t because he is too well known and probably doesn t want to get his organisation involved in the war...

ps he can even use his anklet and some disguise in order to participate in the operation. people just can t know he is urek...

 

[Irvergnimacokh]

The problem is if he helps yuri it would be a declaration of war wagainst jahad. And we know urek doesn t want that.
And don t forget that they aren t killing her. So there are a lot of things urek can do before having to intervene himself. And we know that the ha familly head is upset about how they are treating yuri.

I wouldn t be surprised if baam ends up helping the ha familly find something to trade for yuri (it can even be some asshole from fug) or if he will try to sign some truce between the ha familly and fug for payment of rescuing yuri or some other thing.
The main point is that fug and some unknown people can participate in rescuing yuri. urek can t because he is too well known and probably doesn t want to get his organisation involved in the war...

ps he can even use his anklet and some disguise in order to participate in the operation. people just can t know he is urek...

I never said that he need personally lead the charge. I was talking about his organization where many top HR are a part of. He can sand them as help to make Baams life easier. Remember, fug is helping Baam because they have common goal in this Battle, but freeing Zahard princess, ain’t one of this goals that they share. His rescue mission will be organizeed and founded by Ha family, Wolkhansong and Ha Jingsungs faction members in fug. Also Gustang may help, to make Baam later ,help him to rescue Enne.

 

[Jubei_Kibagami]

People are going to keep saying 'Urek doesn't want to be involved' all the way up to, and probably past, the point of him actually getting involved.

As if motivations, opinions, attitudes, and facts on the ground aren't EVER subject to change. You know, like his bestie being arrested and possibly worse, or a novel tower-wide war that could change life as everyone knows it, or the ascension of another irregular that can do what he might not be able to do on his own, or FUG finally making its move, or or or...

 

[King Dryst]

You know, like his bestie being arrested and possibly worse

Who arrested Baek Ryun?

 

[Jubei_Kibagami]

Who arrested Baek Ryun?

You know who I mean. Baek is his dude-bro bestie. Yuri is his friend-zoned bestie.