Baam's potential without irregular priviledges or hidden entities

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Title says it.

How much power do you think he'd have achieved if he was born inside the tower and followed a normal pattern of evolution.

Assume Arlene and V settled inside the tower and never defied Jahad.

 

[shaheer]

Higher than Ennie. Though it dpends what do you mean by Irregular privilege. Does copying ability fall within irregular privilege?

 

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Though it dpends what do you mean by Irregular privilege. Does copying ability fall within irregular privilege?

Revolution, Shinwonryuu, Thorn usage and 13 months ignition are powers he achieved because he is an irregular.
Copy ability, Orb, Shinsuu blessing, very high tension, very high Shinsu resistance etc, are most likely inner traits of him regardless of what status he holds.

Higher than Ennie

Can you provide more reasonning ?

 

[shaheer]

Can you provide more reasonning ?

Well I think spells are crazy powerful things which he got from his mother. His black shinso is probably from his father along with his insane tension ability. He would have been a master of Shinso regardless of his irregular/Regular status because of Vs talent passed down.
If copying ability is seen to be part of his Base and not Irregular feat and then you add shinso ability he would really be unstoppable. He went around defeating the Ranker with nearly his base ability a feat that Adori couldnt do. Adori is seen to be similar to what Ennie was power wise. So i think even minus the irregular privilege he could be seen as Ennies equal or more.

 

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Well I think spells are crazy powerful things which he got from his mother. His black shinso is probably from his father along with his insane tension ability. He would have been a master of Shinso regardless of his irregular/Regular status because of Vs talent passed down.
If copying ability is seen to be part of his Base and not Irregular feat and then you add shinso ability he would really be unstoppable. He went around defeating the Ranker with nearly his base ability a feat that Adori couldnt do. Adori is seen to be similar to what Ennie was power wise. So i think even minus the irregular privilege he could be seen as Ennies equal or more.

Baam said that revolution was the reason why his power was built this much when he fought Pan, implying even his base power is far stronger than what it'd have been without this factor.
Also, Enne also inherited the incredible traits and powers of not only two FHs but Jahad himself and was respected by the said FHs for her power despite being just 400+ y/o. Doubt Baam would've been so strong without irregular priviledges.

 

[Demonspeed]

But Baam is not gifted because he is an Irregular. It's because he is that gifted that he is an Irregular so it's weird to say that. These copy/absorption powers are part of his skills.

Honestly, I don't believe he would be any different if he was born inside. That's rather weird, I can't understand why someone would be stronger or weaker simply because he were born inside, SIU never really explained this.

 

[shaheer]

If he had the copying skills absorbig skills and the shinso capacity i think he would have been stronger than Enie. Or to rephrase i dont think any regular would be stronger than him.

 

[Kadir0]

Isn’t Rachel also irregular but still has no talent? Being irregular doesn’t give u talent, i think he was going to have his talent even if he was born inside the tower

 

[Echizen_Akira]

The "sun" inside Baam seems to swallow everything he absorbs, so it seems likely that is the reason for his copy ability. And if it is as theorized "the outside god" then he wouldn't have his copy ability.

His immunity to spells and straight up destruction of them is likely due to the spell that was used to bring him back to life/seal the god inside him. So he wouldn't have that.

He would be restricted to a limited amount of shinsoo because he's bound by contracts like everyone else. (Of course he could still be making shinsoo contracts, but I highly doubt it.)

His physical strength should be the same, so lacking compared to other DD. But he could still make up for it with reinforcement and to a lesser extent, training.

GoG wouldn't have trained him, so no 2nd lvl reinforcement. (As a regular.)
Jinsung wouldn't have trained him, so no flare wave. Unless V invented it / could use it.
Assuming V and Arlene aren't trash parents like the rest of the FHs seem to be. He may have been taught spells and Tension.
Evankhell wouldn't train him, so his orb wouldn't be huge. (While a regular.)


Baam WAS born in the tower, he just left it (maybe) and came back. So his talent should be the same, but his potential/limits would be considerably lower.
As a regular I expect he'd still be capable of making top 10 in E, D, C and B, unsure of A.

As a ranker he would be one of the oldest DD in the tower, assuming he survived to the present day, I expect he would be top 100. Probably a floor owner.

I can't remember if Baam's loop is only possible because he's a irregular or because of his shinsoo blessing. If it's the latter he could be a tower born actually capable of fighting the FH's. If not I expect he'd be above Kallavan below Adori.

 

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His immunity to spells and straight up destruction of them is likely due to the spell that was used to bring him back to life/seal the god inside him. So he wouldn't have that.

We know that Arlene is specialized in sorcery, so I'd rather theorize that she has a body that's immune to most spells and Baam inherited that trait from her.

 

[Echizen_Akira]

We know that Arlene is specialized in sorcery, so I'd rather theorize that she has a body that's immune to most spells and Baam inherited that trait from her.

If it was just immunity I'd agree. But he actually destroys high lvl spells with a mere touch. That seems pretty OP for an inherited skill.

 

[TBeast]

GoG wouldn't have trained him, so no 2nd lvl reinforcement. (As a regular.)
Jinsung wouldn't have trained him, so no flare wave. Unless V invented it / could use it.
Assuming V and Arlene aren't trash parents like the rest of the FHs seem to be. He may have been taught spells and Tension.
Evankhell wouldn't train him, so his orb wouldn't be huge. (While a regular.)

U get it wrong here if it were like this; he could have been trained by his parents (GoG, J, Evankhell are nothing in FHs eys,)... just imagine if baam with his talent was trained by V in Shinsoo that would have been OP

 

[King Dryst]

Lesser than the Irregulars, which means lesser than what he is in canon.

 

[Ripcord]

But Baam is not gifted because he is an Irregular. It's because he is that gifted that he is an Irregular so it's weird to say that. These copy/absorption powers are part of his skills.

Honestly, I don't believe he would be any different if he was born inside. That's rather weird, I can't understand why someone would be stronger or weaker simply because he were born inside, SIU never really explained this.

First off Shinwonryu - only irregulars can get it. Still we see that Urek didn’t bother learning it and it didn’t really limit his potential, though if he knew it he’d be even more of a beast.

Second, irregulars are not restricted in the shinsoo they can use. Regulars and Rankers are limited by the contract with the guardian (to varying degrees). I’m not sure if Bam has ever surpassed that limit yet but I’d think his infinite loop brings him closer to it.

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The "sun" inside Baam seems to swallow everything he absorbs, so it seems likely that is the reason for his copy ability. And if it is as theorized "the outside god" then he wouldn't have his copy ability.

His immunity to spells and straight up destruction of them is likely due to the spell that was used to bring him back to life/seal the god inside him. So he wouldn't have that.

He would be restricted to a limited amount of shinsoo because he's bound by contracts like everyone else. (Of course he could still be making shinsoo contracts, but I highly doubt it.)

His physical strength should be the same, so lacking compared to other DD. But he could still make up for it with reinforcement and to a lesser extent, training.

GoG wouldn't have trained him, so no 2nd lvl reinforcement. (As a regular.)
Jinsung wouldn't have trained him, so no flare wave. Unless V invented it / could use it.
Assuming V and Arlene aren't trash parents like the rest of the FHs seem to be. He may have been taught spells and Tension.
Evankhell wouldn't train him, so his orb wouldn't be huge. (While a regular.)


Baam WAS born in the tower, he just left it (maybe) and came back. So his talent should be the same, but his potential/limits would be considerably lower.
As a regular I expect he'd still be capable of making top 10 in E, D, C and B, unsure of A.

As a ranker he would be one of the oldest DD in the tower, assuming he survived to the present day, I expect he would be top 100. Probably a floor owner.

I can't remember if Baam's loop is only possible because he's a irregular or because of his shinsoo blessing. If it's the latter he could be a tower born actually capable of fighting the FH's. If not I expect he'd be above Kallavan below Adori.

V absolutely invented flare wave. The butterfly with red rings was V’s signature technique, I am certain of it.

 

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Second, irregulars are not restricted in the shinsoo they can use.

Once the contract with the guardian is made, there is absolutly no difference between an irreuglar and non-irregular outside of Shinwonryuu and revolution. The degree of Bang, Myun and Suu one can control exclusively depends on the user's talent, training and experience.

 

[Vitala]

He will be around Ha twins level and below Enne, what put enne ahead of the twins is the fact that she is a zahard princess.

 

[King Dryst]

Once the contract with the guardian is made, there is absolutly no difference between an irreuglar and non-irregular outside of Shinwonryuu and revolution. The degree of Bang, Myun and Suu one can control exclusively depends on the user's talent, training and experience.

Upper limits. The Tower-born are cursed with them, and Irregulars are not.

 

[Echizen_Akira]

U get it wrong here if it were like this; he could have been trained by his parents (GoG, J, Evankhell are nothing in FHs eys,)... just imagine if baam with his talent was trained by V in Shinsoo that would have been OP

Possibly, but my thinking was that it's unlikely V would go floor by floor teaching Baam like Evankhell's doing. He could teach Baam before his climb, after his climb, and during the climb at w/e floor V lives on. So his main education would likely begin either after he became a ranker, or while on the floor V lives on. (Which I assume would be high up.)

This is based on today's lvl of pre-regulars. I find it hard to imagine someone capable of tension before becoming a reg. Of course it would be thousands of years ago, so back then the calibre should be much higher, including the overall average. In which case you're probably right.

 

[kkck]

It's hard to say. So far the series hasn't even told us if the baby zahard killed is the same person that bam resurrected as. So... if they are different people then their talent could be different.

That said, I don't think being an irregular itself is what gives you talent. Talent is basically an innate trait independent from your irregular status. Without being an irregular bam would simply not have the privileges that irregulars have. Like unrestricted shinsoo control or shinwonryu. So... bam would still have as much or more talent than any of the family heads. But he probably would never match one without shinwonryu.

 

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Baam would've also learned Arlene's spells and sorcery, something like Levi or snake guy's assets on a higher scale, so combined with V's traits, his fighting style would've being somehow different combining both complexe Shinsu manoeuvres and sorcery.