Baroque Works vs. Impel Down Staff

[RezzieThaRapper]

If Crocodile with Nico Robin, Mr. 1, Ms. Double Finger, ect., were to go into Impel Down to break out Ace instead of Luffy how much better would the have fared with Crocodile front lining it all.

IMO it'll go like this, crocodile would send in the Bananawani to sink the Marine ships at first, and before any they'd even notice, they'd be through...

Crocodile will clear all fodder marines out the way and vaporize the front door, more than likely the commotion they'd cause will have at least some jailers and gaurds ready and Nico Robin would viciously break some bones

The Billions and Millions would go in like infantry and start clearing the way...

I'd write more, but I want to hear your inputs on the matter first

 

[Fox666]

Well, is Shiryu on Impel Down side? Because he makes a big difference

 

[RezzieThaRapper]

Well, is Shiryu on Impel Down side? Because he makes a big difference

Since Magellan let Shiryuu out to deal with Blackbeard, I guess he could deal with Crocodile, but who's to say he wouldn't just switch sides to avoid death again

 

[RichardMNixon]

I don't think they'd smash the door down as you describe. Crocodile could probably have personally destroyed the entire army of Alabasta but didn't, he's sly and calculating and would definitely have some men on the inside to tamper with Magellan's food or toilet.

Now if he's short on time like Luffy was and needs to bust the door down, no I don't think it would work.

Croc, Mr. 2, and Mr. 3 are really the only three worth anything here. Mr. 1 can beat the snot out of fodder but won't be of any help against Magellan. Eventually Croc would have to face Magellan just as Luffy did, and if he had a chance of beating Magellan, why didn't he this time? Mr. 2 is there so maybe he could hook Croc up with Iva, but then Croc might not survive the miracle and without the Dragon connection, Iva probably wouldn't help Croc.

Especially when you consider that Luffy had half of Baroque works with him anyway, what you're mostly asking is how helpful would the millions and billions have been.

Not very. http://www.onemanga.com/One_Piece/542/08/

 

[frontaLobotomy]

You could name the thread Baroque Works Vs. Magellan, the outcome would be the same I would imagine. Inside Impel Down, you can't hope to beat that guy. The Blackbeard Pirates were able to do it because they appear to be a very powerful crew, especially with Shiryuu giving them a heads up going in to that battle.

 

[St Michael]

Magellan is the only person in ID who could stop BW.
Actually he would probably defeat the entire organization alone.

Crocodile could kill him , maybe , but he would probably die with him.
And the stronger agents are hand to hand fighters and so useless against the warden.

So in a regular battle , ID wins. But BW isn't really an organization fond of regular fights ..

 

[BlackHair]

Crocodile, Jinbei, Luffy, Iva, great pirate Buggy and many more were running from Magallan! Seriously is this worth a discussion? Magallan would wash the floor with Hells-Judgement. Even if the ID staff would work with BW (putting Shiyru aside) Magallan wins clearly in my eyes. I honestly don't think they would last long.

 

[RezzieThaRapper]

I don't think they'd smash the door down as you describe. Crocodile could probably have personally destroyed the entire army of Alabasta but didn't, he's sly and calculating and would definitely have some men on the inside to tamper with Magellan's food or toilet.

Now if he's short on time like Luffy was and needs to bust the door down, no I don't think it would work.

Croc, Mr. 2, and Mr. 3 are really the only three worth anything here. Mr. 1 can beat the snot out of fodder but won't be of any help against Magellan. Eventually Croc would have to face Magellan just as Luffy did, and if he had a chance of beating Magellan, why didn't he this time? Mr. 2 is there so maybe he could hook Croc up with Iva, but then Croc might not survive the miracle and without the Dragon connection, Iva probably wouldn't help Croc.

Especially when you consider that Luffy had half of Baroque works with him anyway, what you're mostly asking is how helpful would the millions and billions have been.

Not very. http://www.onemanga.com/One_Piece/542/08/

now before you go putting words in my mouth, I'm not askin wether the billions and millions would have been helpful, I'm talking about the entire Baroque Works working together as a unit

From Sand Man to Mole Woman, From Bomb Boogers to Retarded Baseball Man, From Wax Powers to the Power of Casting Illusions, From Spike Doping to Spontaneous Limbs Spouting Out Randomly from any direction

If none of this can make a difference to the impel down I give up my arguement

 

[bittman]

Well Crocodile is the highest level fighter you have in that team, and the current break out was completed by probably about 5 people of Crocodile's level (+Iva, Luffy, Jimbei, Inazuma), plus a very powerful crew (Blackbeard) plus most of the stronger fighters of the Baroque Works crew anyway.

You could possibly argue that you can replace Inazuma's contribution with Robin's and the millions, billions + number agents replace the Newkamas and jailbroken prisoners, but even then that would be a stretch since many of the prisoners released had bounties of notability.

Magellan is far too powerful a force to ignore, but even then I would only rate Crocodile (and possibly broken miss Robin) as above the awakened Zoans, let alone Sadi-chan or Hannybel.

And the combination of Baroques Works isn't really something to factor in, since I never got the impression most of them worked well together anyway. Though I'd almost rate Crocodile as just below Luffy, even if it was all Baroques Works vs Luffy I doubt it would make much difference given their poor teamwork.

 

[RichardMNixon]

now before you go putting words in my mouth

Read the first part of what I said. Luffy had half of Baroque works with him anyhow and still all they good do was run from Magellan. If Luffy plus the top four male BW members, plus Jimbei, plus Iva couldn't beat Magellan, why would adding weaker people instead of Luffy and Iva help? What good is Mr. 4 going to do?

 

[St Michael]

He actually could inflict serious damage to Magellan. How heavy was his weapon ? 2 or 3 tons ?

A shot like that CAN'T leave Magellan unharmed.

@ Bittman : maybe I don't understand you , but are you assuming that Luffy is stronger than Crocodile ? Or simply he would do it better against Magellan ?

The fact that Mr 0 has deadly long range attack gives him better percentage of success against the Warden than any of the break out team.

But yeah , he would be hit by an hydra nonetheless.

 

[bittman]

@ Bittman : maybe I don't understand you , but are you assuming that Luffy is stronger than Crocodile ? Or simply he would do it better against Magellan ?

The fact that Mr 0 has deadly long range attack gives him better percentage of success against the Warden than any of the break out team.

But yeah , he would be hit by an hydra nonetheless.

To clarify there, I'm saying Crocodile is probably at a comparable level to Luffy. Both have distinct advantages and disadvantages in their battle style, but on a power-scale they would probably populate roughly the same tier. I rate Jimbei at approximately that tier also, and Iva perhaps one level above and Inazume perhaps one below (hard to tell really).

The point really is that they are all approximately the same level, and even when Luffy gained a momentary advantage of wax protection, he was unable to use his advantage to defeat Magellan. Crocodile may or may not have more luck against Magellan given he is not typically a direct attacker, but Magellan is still levels beyond Crocodile. The remainder of Baroques Works is quite a few levels below this again, and I would probably put the Awakened Zoans, Sadi-chan and Hannybel somewhere in the middle of all that.

And Magellan's range is quite impressive by the way. Usually his poison was quite a distance ahead of his physical body, prisoners screamed Magellan was coming as the poison reached even though Magellan was not quite there yet.

 

[St Michael]

I haven't think of Magellan's range , but indeed it's quite something ..

Damn , I hope we'll see him again later in the manga.

It's hard no to fall in the strenght scale trap , but I personally think of Mr1 as a ally as strong as Inazuma. Given that their power share some similarities.

I doubt Iva san is really stronger than Jinbei or Crocodile btw , his DF seems quite useless in a fight (transforming yourself in a woman makes yourself win a fight only against Sanji) , as Mr2's. So , I believe that he's quite limited himself..

 

[beastboy]

I voted Impel down wins..
But I think they could manage to save Ace..
Miss merry christmas would dig a hole to lvl 6, and bring mr3 with her...
When they reach Ace's Cage, they would free him, and would go back through the same hole.. luckily they wouldn't be caught!

 

[RichardMNixon]

I haven't think of Magellan's range , but indeed it's quite something ..

Damn , I hope we'll see him again later in the manga.

It's hard no to fall in the strenght scale trap , but I personally think of Mr1 as a ally as strong as Inazuma. Given that their power share some similarities.

I doubt Iva san is really stronger than Jinbei or Crocodile btw , his DF seems quite useless in a fight (transforming yourself in a woman makes yourself win a fight only against Sanji) , as Mr2's. So , I believe that he's quite limited himself..

I wasn't referring to Iva's DF, I was referring to his combat abilities. He slowed Magellan considerably by himself and fought off Kuma in the war.

We don't need to hypothesize about Croc's chances vs. Magellan; Croc was in ID this time! He can't beat Magellan or else he would have.

Usopp took Mr. 4's bat and kept fighting until it was over. Magellan took a half dozen of Luffy's champion attacks and several rounds of cannon fire.

 

[St Michael]

Crocodile isn't really the type of guy to put his life in the line for others , or to achieve such pointless thing.

He could take Magellan with him into the grave , maybe , but given that there is no reason for him to kill himself , he didn't.

That's just good sense

You're right about the bat , but honeslty Usopp is nearly unkillable , him and Zoro should have eaten some kind of immortality DF.

Anyway th fact that Magellan is vulnerable to regular attacks makes him beatable , at least if he's outnumbered. You just have to sacrifice a lot of fodder.

 

[RichardMNixon]

Anyway th fact that Magellan is vulnerable to regular attacks makes him beatable , at least if he's outnumbered. You just have to sacrifice a lot of fodder.

You could say the same thing of Garp or Whitebeard, that doesn't mean Baroque Works can do it.

He took a handful of champion rifles and cannon volleys that only served to push him back a little.
http://www.onemanga.com/One_Piece/547/14-15/ He took that to the face and didn't care.

 

[St Michael]

If I remember correctly , a jet bazooka put him to his knees , correct ?

So he's far from unbeatable.

 

[bittman]

I assume you mean this: http://www.onemanga.com/One_Piece/535/04/

Well Luffy's attacks aren't something anyone can plainly take and walk away with, even Garp got blood all over his face from Luffy's punch. Even then, Magellan only took one knee for a moment, and then proceeded to take a double jet pistol without showing any sign of damage.

 

[Rodrigo del Toro]

I think that with Croc ability to dry is all said, but I don't know if he would beat Magellan...Mr. 1, Miss Doublefinger, Mr. 2, Miss Golden Week and Mr.3 would beat Sphinx, the wolf squad, Sadi-chan and with a lot of effort would beat Hannyabal.


Mr. 4 with Lasso, Miss Doublefinger, Mr. 5 and Miss Valentine would take on Saldeath with the Bluegoris and the other beasts, like manticores and puzzle scorpions. The real deal for them is the basilisk.

Millions and Billions would crush the guards. I think they are more violent and agressive.

But if Robin is in the Baroque Works side, they would definetely win, and maybe help Ace. Think that Baroque Works are assassins, they are experts in killing. The guards are trained to keep prisoners in their cages.

Well, that's my opinion.