Canon Base Luffy vs Zoro

[Pirate Queen]

Luffy (no gears) vs Zoro

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DON'T KNOW HOW TO MAKE A POLL

 

[~Charging Lightning~]

Zoro takes it. Not sure about difficulty but I would assume somewhere between mid and high?

 

[King Moe]

Luffy (no gears) vs Zoro

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DON'T KNOW HOW TO MAKE A POLL

I know how to make a poll. Want me to do it.

Luffy vs Zoro with or without Haki? Cause regardless Luffy wins.

 

[nik87]

I think the only gear that Zoro would have trouble with is Gear 4th. Dealing with G2 and G3 should be no problem for Zoro and thus, dealing with base form Luffy should be barely any trouble for Zoro.
And this is based on Zoro feats, without seeing his limit in NW.

http://www.easypolls.net/poll.html?p=5c4b998be4b0b3f5920a2dd8

 

[King Moe]

I think the only gear that Zoro would have trouble with is Gear 4th. Dealing with G2 and G3 should be no problem for Zoro and thus, dealing with base form Luffy should be barely any trouble for Zoro.
And this is based on Zoro feats, without seeing his limit in NW.

http://www.easypolls.net/poll.html?p=5c4b998be4b0b3f5920a2dd8

Thanks for poll. Still feel Luffy though as we also can't forget he has future sight and Zoro is lacking more in COO, so it be taxing on him having hard take predicting Luffy while Luffy can see right through him more.

 

[nik87]

Thanks for poll. Still feel Luffy though as we also can't forget he has future sight and Zoro is lacking more in COO, so it be taxing on him having hard take predicting Luffy while Luffy can see right through him more.

Zoro is approaching Mihawk's level. We dont know how far from him he is but he should be close so have that in mind. When you say that base Luffy is above Zoro you are basically saying that base Luffy is above Mihawk.
Do you realize now how out-of-logic that opinion is?

 

[Pirate Queen]

It so off base to say base Luffy is stronger than Zoro when there are strong numbers within the fandom that think Zoro>Luffy (Both at full power)

The biggest feats Zoro can do, Luffy would need at least gear 2 to equal. That's so obvious budddy. I'm just trying to understand your point of view and can't

 

[King Moe]

Zoro is approaching Mihawk's level. We dont know how far from him he is but he should be close so have that in mind. When you say that base Luffy is above Zoro you are basically saying that base Luffy is above Mihawk.
Do you realize now how out-of-logic that opinion is?

Zoro took nails from Hawkins and your saying he close to Mihawk? Lol, your letting your fanboys getting you there.

Luffy being stronger than Zoro doesn't mean stronger than Mihawk. Though if you want teachers in this, then Luffy is stronger due to being trained by Roger's right-hand man, Rayleigh. Rayleigh is stronger than Mihawk for sure. No contest at all lol. Your logic seem to be out there think Zoro is already equal to Mihawk now, cause he's not.

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It so off base to say base Luffy is stronger than Zoro when there are strong numbers within the fandom that think Zoro>Luffy (Both at full power)

The biggest feats Zoro can do, Luffy would need at least gear 2 to equal. That's so obvious budddy. I'm just trying to understand your point of view and can't

Stronger numbers think Luffy over Zoro. Check the websites. Many don't think Zoro is equal or even close to Luffy at all.

Both are his Haki. When he does something without Haki to match his Gears, let me know.

 

[nik87]

Zoro took nails from Hawkins and your saying he close to Mihawk? Lol, your letting your fanboys getting you there.

Nails never mattered in the first place and you are the only one using them as argument and everyone is calling you out because of it but you keep using it. For what reason I dont know, I only consider it as trolling.
Nails are no danger even to the weakest SH members and you think they mean something for Zoro? Robin took more damage from Diamantes attack the same way and she was left standing and you give some significance to nails that scratched Zoro, while the guy does this to himself?

Moe, please get real. You dont understand Zoro's character at all. "Extreme suffering, no desire for anything else, the way of Asura." Using nails in the same sentence as Zoro is an insult to his character.

Of course Zoro is closing up to Mihawk's level, we didnt see his limit yet, he could be very close. Do you think there will always be a huge gap between him and Mihawk? What do you think time skip was for?
Rayleigh is a swordsman so dont write a check with your mouth that your ass cant cash out. Among swordsmen, Mihawk is the nr.1, not Rayleigh.

 

[King Moe]

Nails never mattered in the first place and you are the only one using them as argument and everyone is calling you out because of it but you keep using it. For what reason I dont know, I only consider it as trolling.
Nails are no danger even to the weakest SH members and you think they mean something for Zoro? Robin took more damage from Diamantes attack the same way and she was left standing and you give some significance to nails that scratched Zoro, while the guy does this to himself?

Moe, please get real. You dont understand Zoro's character at all. "Extreme suffering, no desire for anything else, the way of Asura." Using nails in the same sentence as Zoro is an insult to his character.

Of course Zoro is closing up to Mihawk's level, we didnt see his limit yet, he could be very close. Do you think there will always be a huge gap between him and Mihawk? What do you think time skip was for?
Rayleigh is a swordsman so dont write a check with your mouth that your ass cant cash out. Among swordsmen, Mihawk is the nr.1, not Rayleigh.

Nah, the fandom since have talk down about Zoro since the Hawkins fights as many Zoro fans were saying "Oh! Watch as Hawkins get his ass beat by Zoro" and then look what happened. You overhyped and they got upset and call on it which they become defensive about it. Not saying Zoro would lose in full fight as eventuality he beat him, but they were sprouting as if Hawkins was a random fodder who won't do nothing to Zoro, but got proven wrong. All the Strawhats can be very durable especially Monster Trio, but to still not use Haki to try to block them all when Zoro showcase he can block small projectiles being Hody's attack kinda cut (no-pun intended) him down on how people are gauging him. It's not me saying this, it's others on their end.

No he isn't. If Zoro was close or equal to Mihawk, he would have challenge him then. He isn't that close and doubt Mihawk would give "EVERY" (Emphasizing) secrets away to him to beat him as where the fun in that. Don't think they are that close just yet, but he will eventuality hit it, but as of now.

Rayleigh doesn't seem like he challenge him for it as shown to be 'lazy' on how he works and going for titles or position doesn't seem his attitude to be. Plus he is also know as the "Dark King", so again by your logic, Luffy is close to Rayleigh and it's now Rayleigh over Mihawk which make sense.

 

[nik87]

Nah, the fandom since have talk down about Zoro since the Hawkins fights as many Zoro fans were saying

Where is that fandom that thinks like you do? Give me websites links and their names. I want to see that myself, just to make sure it's not your imagination.

No he isn't. If Zoro was close or equal to Mihawk, he would have challenge him then. He isn't that close and doubt Mihawk would give "EVERY" (Emphasizing) secrets away to him to beat him as where the fun in that. Don't think they are that close just yet, but he will eventuality hit it, but as of now.

Like I said, keep in mind that Zoro is approaching Mihawk's level so watch what you say, like base Luffy>Zoro because no one will back you up on that.

Rayleigh doesn't seem like he challenge him for it as shown to be 'lazy' on how he works and going for titles or position doesn't seem his attitude to be. Plus he is also know as the "Dark King", so again by your logic, Luffy is close to Rayleigh and it's now Rayleigh over Mihawk which make sense.

Mihawk is the World's Strongest Swordsman which puts him above the Dark King. Rayleigh cannot be above Mihawk when Mihawk is the WSS.

 

[M3J]

Zoro easily, if no haki and no gear, unless Luffy's fast enough to avoid swords and still hit Zoro.

 

[King Moe]

Where is that fandom that thinks like you do? Give me websites links and their names. I want to see that myself, just to make sure it's not your imagination.


Like I said, keep in mind that Zoro is approaching Mihawk's level so watch what you say, like base Luffy>Zoro because no one will back you up on that.


Mihawk is the World's Strongest Swordsman which puts him above the Dark King. Rayleigh cannot be above Mihawk when Mihawk is the WSS.

Reddit, Twitter, Youtube, Orojackson, etc.. I can go on man. Don't think fanbase is all on Zoro's side when it's not.

Then by that logic, Luffy is to Rayleigh too as your forgetting he was trained by him too. I would agree with you depending on the teachers, but I am sure Rayleigh can teach more compare to Mihawk in training.

Rayleigh is not one to go for petty stuff like that. He let him have it while he relaxes nowadays and yes he is above him as he is the Dark King and right-handed man to the man who conqueror the seas and Roger Pirates being much worst threats and in power with fighting many different kind of threats before reaching One Piece than Mihawk was only after Swordsman alone and not so much what he does afterwards.

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Zoro easily, if no haki and no gear, unless Luffy's fast enough to avoid swords and still hit Zoro.

They fought before in pre-timeskip and it was evenly match. Blades didn't keep Luffy away from getting close and punching him multiple times and Zoro barely could cut him with his blades. Luffy over Zoro with or without Haki.

 

[nik87]

Reddit, Twitter, Youtube, Orojackson, etc.. I can go on man.

Give me links of threads where people talk down on Zoro because of nails. Links to specific threads and names of those who posted.

 

[King Moe]

Give me links of threads where people talk down on Zoro because of nails. Links to specific threads and names of those who posted.

Check on the chapter of when Hawkins and Zoro fought on reviews and other discussions about it and next chapter too. Though check chapters down the line about it to see for yourself. They are everywhere, dude. Not going to link every single conversation on here. If you don't check them out, you prove my point on being defensive about it. Again no shame for Zoro on his losses, it gives more struggle to him after all as he haven't have challenging fights for awhile.

 

[nik87]

Not going to link every single conversation on here.

No need for all, just one. It's easier for you to find it since you know about it than for me who doesnt know about it.

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If you don't check them out, you prove my point on being defensive about it.

If you dont link them you prove my point of it being your imagination.
See what I did there?

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What are nails compared to this?

 

[King Moe]

No need for all, just one. It's easier for you to find it since you know about it than for me who doesnt know about it.

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If you dont link them you prove my point of it being your imagination.
See what I did there?

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What are nails compared to this?

Alright I get you a link on one of them. Which one or you want me to choose myself?

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What are nails compared to this?

Never said Zoro would be done in by the nails, but just saying he could have block them with Haki. He done it before with Hody, but couldn't with Hawkins mean something and it's not in good favor with him.

 

[nik87]

Alright I get you a link on one of them. Which one or you want me to choose myself?

Any site other than OJ since i cant see anything there.

He done it before with Hody, but couldn't with Hawkins

Maybe because it came as a surprise attack? It's Zoro's combat style, he takes lots and lots of damage during fights so something as small as nail scratches is really irrelevant...

 

[King Moe]

Any site other than OJ since i cant see anything there.


Maybe because it came as a surprise attack? It's Zoro's combat style, he takes lots and lots of damage during fights so something as small as nail scratches is really irrelevant...

Alright give me a bit. On mobile, so take a bit longer.

Pretty sure with a teacher like Mihawk, he would be train with surprise attacks. I mean a guy called "Hawkeyes Mihawk" would teach you to be more observant on your surroundings to not be damage at all. As for damage, no excuse still as even though it wouldn't do him in, gradual damage isn't good to have or lingering one as he still should have use Haki whether COO or COA to do something to prevent it which didn't so it means something that Hawkins isn't someone to take likely on.

 

[Sachsenhesse]

Oh my.... Not even a question. Zoro with honestly low diff. The only ones Luffy did fight with his baselvl are some lowtier arenafighters if i remember correctly. Otherwise he always needed atleast a gear2 attack to dish out some damage. Lets hope Wanos Prison changes that.

But if we assume baseluffy = Gear 2 + Gear 3 + Haki, then highdiff Zoro.