Discussion Battle against the yonkou

How will the battle be fought?

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So i was just wondering whether people believe that when the time comes the first fight against one of the yonkou will be a one on one between luffy and the yonkou or similar to the oars battle were all the strawhats featured.

Personally im hoping for the second option and that we will see Luffy, Zoro, Sanji, Law, Bepo and John-Beart fighting against Kaidou.
 

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I think it'll depend on the story of the arc that involves them. If Luffy goes against Shanks, it'll definitely be 1 on 1...
Most of the time we get the SH crew face off enemy's crew members first. If it does go many on 1, i still think Luffy will be the one to deal the final blow.
 

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i think they will attack 1+ vs 1 because yonkou r on different level so if luffy beat them in 1 vs 1 its will be near end of one piece

Shanks is different matter luffy will challenge him only with SHP
luffy vs Shanks
Usopp vs Yasopp
Zoro vs Benn Beckman
Sanji vs Lucky Roo (maybe)

luffy had told Shank that he will create powerful crew then his crew
 

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Luffy is not going to fight Shanks. Shanks is Luffy's father figure, it will not be his role to stand in Luffy's way. It can be inferred that Shank's already has stood down. Roger passed his Strawhat down to Shanks, Shanks has passed it on to Luffy. This could symbolically mean that Shank's has abdicated his position in the order of succession, accepting Luffy as the true heir to Roger's legacy. Shank's has stated that he will not meet Luffy again until he is a "great pirate", even declining to see him at Marineford. Shanks has declared Luffy heir to Roger's legacy, and is waiting for him to live up to that legacy. I do not expect Luffy to meet Shanks again until near the end of the series, during the last saga before Luffy reaches Raftel. I expect Shanks to at that time accept Luffy as the future Pirate King, swear his allegiance, aiding the Strawhats in their fight against the Blackbeard Pirates. After Blackbeard's defeat, Shanks will help the Strawhats navigate the final leg of their voyage, leading them to Raftel.

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Luffy will fight, and defeat, at least one Yonkou in a one on one fight. Teach is his chief rival, and probably will be the last enemy standing in Luffy's way before Raftel. Luffy will have to defeat him alone if he hopes to become Pirate King. He will get plenty of help reaching that point, but the actual fight will be Luffy and Teach alone. I also suspect that Luffy will fight Kaido one on one. For plot purposes, Luffy defeating a Yonkou alone would be more of an accomplishment, and better establish Luffy as a power in the New World. Databook stats do not matter in One Piece. Power levels have never been a huge point of emphasis. It is perfectly reasonable to expect Luffy to defeat a Yonkou.
 

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Sorry i should have made it more clear that i was talking about their first confrontation with a yonkou, I am aware that Luffy will have to surpass that level eventually to become PK
 

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I actually do think Luffy will fight Shanks. Why wouldn't he fight Shanks, just because he sees him as a father figure? It's not just about relationship, but Luffy does want to beat the Yonkou, including Shanks. Luffy definitely didn't seem to have any problem going against Shanks. What better way for Luffy to prove he's the heir to Roger's legacy than by beating the one who Roger passed his legacy down to? I think it's a lot like Goku beating Jackie Chun or Naruto beating the person who bested and killed his masters.

If not the other Yonkou, I can see him taking on Shanks and winning by himself. Not sure about Blackbeard though, but if Blackbeard's not stronger than Shanks, then he may not be the final opponent.
 

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Luffy and Shanks don't have to fight to death, he's done some great sparring with Sabo and Ace for many years of his life, that situtions wouldn't be any different. I'm more interested in the moment Ussop meets his old man, Yassop. :D

Why is there no options for "1 VS 1 & 2+ VS 1" ?
 

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I actually do think Luffy will fight Shanks. Why wouldn't he fight Shanks, just because he sees him as a father figure? It's not just about relationship, but Luffy does want to beat the Yonkou, including Shanks. Luffy definitely didn't seem to have any problem going against Shanks. What better way for Luffy to prove he's the heir to Roger's legacy than by beating the one who Roger passed his legacy down to? I think it's a lot like Goku beating Jackie Chun or Naruto beating the person who bested and killed his masters.

If not the other Yonkou, I can see him taking on Shanks and winning by himself. Not sure about Blackbeard though, but if Blackbeard's not stronger than Shanks, then he may not be the final opponent.
What if Shanks does not want to fight Luffy? It's a situation that does not need fighting to be resolved, and can come to a more satisfying conclusion if they don't. With Blackbeard the only major opponent left, Luffy and Shanks reunite. Shanks acknowledges Luffy as a "great pirate", and recognizes him as future pirate king. He agrees to become an ally of Luffy, symbolically abdicating his own position as Yonkou (even if that position has lost all real value by that time). Shanks then promises to help Luffy defeat the Blackbeard Pirates, mutual enemies. With that done, he helps lead the way to Raftel. That would be much more satisfying, and far more within plot boundaries, than Luffy having to defeat Shanks in a one on one fight, like he was a common antagonist.

That also would explain what Shanks meant when he said that he bet his arm on the new age. Like Whitebeard, I do not think he wants to become Pirate King. We don't know if Shanks ever reached Raftel, but he was on Roger's ship. The possibility exists that he already knows how to reach Raftel, and knows the identity of One Piece. Buggy too. There is a strong possibility he already knows that he can not reach Raftel himself, and that One Piece is out of his reach. Hypothetically, if the Will of D and ability to hear the voice of all things are needed to reach Raftel, Shanks already knows that he himself can not be Pirate King. That is why he made a bet on Luffy. Though a child at the time, he was still a D, and Shanks might have seen true spirit in him. That would explain why he gave Roger's strawhat to Luffy, why he sacrificed his arm, and why he waits for Luffy to become a great pirate. Buggy may know the same, the reason why he has shown more interest in treasure hunting than becoming pirate king. He might already know Raftel is out of his reach, and that One Piece is not gold and jewels anyway.

Luffy and Shanks don't have to fight to death, he's done some great sparring with Sabo and Ace for many years of his life, that situtions wouldn't be any different. I'm more interested in the moment Ussop meets his old man, Yassop. :D

Why is there no options for "1 VS 1 & 2+ VS 1" ?
At best I think they spar, Shanks testing out Luffy's strength. Nothing serious though.
 

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What if Shanks does not want to fight Luffy? It's a situation that does not need fighting to be resolved, and can come to a more satisfying conclusion if they don't. With Blackbeard the only major opponent left, Luffy and Shanks reunite. Shanks acknowledges Luffy as a "great pirate", and recognizes him as future pirate king. He agrees to become an ally of Luffy, symbolically abdicating his own position as Yonkou (even if that position has lost all real value by that time). Shanks then promises to help Luffy defeat the Blackbeard Pirates, mutual enemies. With that done, he helps lead the way to Raftel. That would be much more satisfying, and far more within plot boundaries, than Luffy having to defeat Shanks in a one on one fight, like he was a common antagonist.

That also would explain what Shanks meant when he said that he bet his arm on the new age. Like Whitebeard, I do not think he wants to become Pirate King. We don't know if Shanks ever reached Raftel, but he was on Roger's ship. The possibility exists that he already knows how to reach Raftel, and knows the identity of One Piece. Buggy too. There is a strong possibility he already knows that he can not reach Raftel himself, and that One Piece is out of his reach. Hypothetically, if the Will of D and ability to hear the voice of all things are needed to reach Raftel, Shanks already knows that he himself can not be Pirate King. That is why he made a bet on Luffy. Though a child at the time, he was still a D, and Shanks might have seen true spirit in him. That would explain why he gave Roger's strawhat to Luffy, why he sacrificed his arm, and why he waits for Luffy to become a great pirate. Buggy may know the same, the reason why he has shown more interest in treasure hunting than becoming pirate king. He might already know Raftel is out of his reach, and that One Piece is not gold and jewels anyway.



At best I think they spar, Shanks testing out Luffy's strength. Nothing serious though.

I just one to point out a few things, after luffy reaches raftel, there will be at least 5 if not more arcs after that

And at some point in punk hazard, forgot where, after law says lets take down kaidou, luffy replies, "no, the first one i must beat is shanks", only a few chapter later he gives in and decided to follow law for kaidou.

It will be a proper full on full out fight, there are doctors on both sides, so there are no problems.
 

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I just one to point out a few things, after luffy reaches raftel, there will be at least 5 if not more arcs after that
Five arcs after he became Pirate King? It will take years to get there, one arc or two at most are fesable/reasonable, should be enough to give it a good ending, final comclusion with the World Government, etc. Don't forget he will have to fight the other Yonkou beforehand.
 

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Five arcs seems a bit excessive. I think that the final battle against the World Government will be after Raftel. That might be a multi-arc saga, but I don't think it will be five. One arc for Luffy to gather the ancient weapons while the World Government maneuvers for war, after that a very long battle Mariejois, then the end. I kind of think Shanks will fight on Luffy's side during the final war.
 

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he will get to raftel figure out the true story,
blackbeard,
gather ancient weapons
talk make big alliance vs wg or w/e
War
What happends after there is no wg
On the way back, leaving everyone at home
end.
each is an arc btw, IMO
 

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Right now I'm seeing Straw Hat Pirates, Heart Pirates, and maybe X Drake (since he was after Kaido) vs Kaido.
Apoo, Kid, Hawkins vs Big Mam Pirates, Straw hat pirates will join afterwards.
Luffy vs Blackbeard near the end of the manga.
 

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Right now I'm seeing Straw Hat Pirates, Heart Pirates, and maybe X Drake (since he was after Kaido) vs Kaido.
Apoo, Kid, Hawkins vs Big Mam Pirates, Straw hat pirates will join afterwards.
Luffy vs Blackbeard near the end of the manga.
Nah you forgot how twisted oda is, I wouldn't be surprised if kidd alliance attacks shanks or BB and fails, or even the luffy alliance
 

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he will get to raftel figure out the true story,
blackbeard,
gather ancient weapons
talk make big alliance vs wg or w/e
War
What happends after there is no wg
On the way back, leaving everyone at home
end.
each is an arc btw, IMO
I don't understand why the Blackbeard fight would happen after Raftel, it's their dream to become Pirate King after all. It should rather be the decisive fight before or at Raftel.
He is not the type to use ancient weapons, especially one for mass destruction as Pluton, only Shirahoshi might add some force, we will have to see how they repair Noah.
Should gathering allies take a whole arc, it would be better if Oda used a cover arc for that. Don't forget the Revolutionary Army, they will have to act some time and it will be against the WG too.
Imo Oda will do it like Toriyama and end it in a short way, maybe a volume at most.
 

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What if Shanks does not want to fight Luffy? It's a situation that does not need fighting to be resolved, and can come to a more satisfying conclusion if they don't. With Blackbeard the only major opponent left, Luffy and Shanks reunite. Shanks acknowledges Luffy as a "great pirate", and recognizes him as future pirate king. He agrees to become an ally of Luffy, symbolically abdicating his own position as Yonkou (even if that position has lost all real value by that time). Shanks then promises to help Luffy defeat the Blackbeard Pirates, mutual enemies. With that done, he helps lead the way to Raftel. That would be much more satisfying, and far more within plot boundaries, than Luffy having to defeat Shanks in a one on one fight, like he was a common antagonist.

That also would explain what Shanks meant when he said that he bet his arm on the new age. Like Whitebeard, I do not think he wants to become Pirate King. We don't know if Shanks ever reached Raftel, but he was on Roger's ship. The possibility exists that he already knows how to reach Raftel, and knows the identity of One Piece. Buggy too. There is a strong possibility he already knows that he can not reach Raftel himself, and that One Piece is out of his reach. Hypothetically, if the Will of D and ability to hear the voice of all things are needed to reach Raftel, Shanks already knows that he himself can not be Pirate King. That is why he made a bet on Luffy. Though a child at the time, he was still a D, and Shanks might have seen true spirit in him. That would explain why he gave Roger's strawhat to Luffy, why he sacrificed his arm, and why he waits for Luffy to become a great pirate. Buggy may know the same, the reason why he has shown more interest in treasure hunting than becoming pirate king. He might already know Raftel is out of his reach, and that One Piece is not gold and jewels anyway.



At best I think they spar, Shanks testing out Luffy's strength. Nothing serious though.
I don't think their fight will be to the death, at all, but I don't see Shanks not fighting Luffy just to see how strong Luffy is and whether he deserves to be a pirate king. It's a lot like Roshi's intentions for Krillin and Goku when he joined the tournament - to make sure they don't get complacent and to see how strong they are. As you said, it can be a spar to see how strong Luffy is, but I still think they'll somehow fight. There's no reason for them not to, especially when Shanks would likely stand in Luffy's way even as ally since he's a yonkou. Hell, Shanks could be the mini-boss while Blackbeard is the boss of the arc or fight with Yonkou.
 

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The crew fights coordinated well, but the Yonkou fights will be like CP-9. The crew will be against strong opponents that will prevent teaming up. The Yonkou will be like Lucci at the time, only Luffy stands a chance. Big Mama and Teach he will want to beat because he does not like them. Kaido unless given a reason will be fought against like Shanks. In Luffy's mind the pirate king has to be the strongest. he would have to win in a spar against Shanks to prove he is worthy to be Pirate King. I do not see that battle ever happening against Shanks. There battle would be short maybe a one punch each and Luffy returning the hat.
 

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It will more than likely be 1v1 because Luffy has to be the one to take down the captain of another crew when they are strong. If it takes his crew to defeat a captain, then he can't claim the title of a Yonkou because it took his entire crew. When getting that title, you are saying that it has to be a captain vs. captain in that situation as they are the one that is recognized as the Yonkou. Not their crew, but the captain.

I further think that because it fighting Moria who was known to have once fought equally agianst Kaido (I'm thinking it was before Kaido grew to be a Yonkou), Luffy was the one to take out Moria. So it has to be a captain taking out another captain.
 
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