Battle Best 5 vs Meruem

[Fox666]

Re: Best 5 vs Mereum

Or... trap Meryem in his Mansion. The end.

 

[Master OZ]

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Or... trap Meryem in his Mansion. The end.

Yeah I guess by overthinking it I missed the obvious answer. Even if he could survive in there, as long as he can´t get out he is effectually dead.

 

[Riyuki]

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I bet 5 zodiacs could've beaten him. It's too bad we don't know much about their abilities though, only a couple of them

 

[Demon Mark]

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I bet 5 zodiacs could've beaten him. It's too bad we don't know much about their abilities though, only a couple of them

I bet Ging, Pariston and the dragon guy could beat as a team.

 

[IamJacky]

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I bet Ging, Pariston and the dragon guy could beat as a team.

The Zodiacs are merely practice dummies to Netero when he's bored, and Netero got owned by Meryem, I don't see how the whole team is gonna make any difference. I mean I want to believe Ging is super strong and all, but since I've never seen him in a combat, I can only assess that he's smart as hell, but to face against Meryem? I'm not so sure.

 

[Ener9y]

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^ They respected Netero, he probably was a legend. That doesn't mean that he's stronger. He was only half as strong as he was at his prime. Who knows, maybe they're all stronger than him. Plus, we can't assume Hisoka's strength scale was spot-on.

 

[IsayWhaat]

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Feitan for fuck sake, that shit can create another Sun -.-

 

[Riyuki]

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I think what people forget about Feitan is that the dude is INTO TORTURE... and his ability is based on how much damage he takes and then dishes back. I'm pretty sure Rising Sun was the weakest version of Pain Packer. I would definitely include Fetain in the best 5 vs Meruem.

 

[kkck]

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I would argue that the manga has already shown that feitan would do nothing short of failing spectacularly against the king. Everything about him sets him up for failure so decisive and laughable that he simply has no business in this discussion altogether. Lets look at what we know of feitan:

1.- Physical capacity: From a psychical standpoint feitan has shown to be better than an ant captain which is about as well as most high level nen users did however against the king that is garbage. Feitan does not compare in any regards to the king. There is not a shred of a snowballs chance in hell of him avoiding, resisting or otherwise surviving 1 physical attack from the king.

2- Nen volume. The comparison is even more laughable than the physical one. In either of the kings forms.

3.- Nen abilities. Pain packer has been brought up however I don't see how it would even kinda give the king a light tan. The king was freaking nuked and he was not evaporated, he was left as a lump of meat which could be healed. The rose melted stone and had immense blast, it was obviously far exceeding what pain packer could do. To boot there is another crucial thing to consider. As far as we know pain packer requires feitan to take damage. Presumably non lethal damage. Is there a chance of the king not dealing lethal damage? If the king aims to kill he does not even need to somewhat strain himself to turn feitain into a bloodstain. At this point perhaps pain packer can rise to a new level and stick to meruem due to the whole unknown thing nen has going on and do something although I don't think that counts for this argument.

Feitain is on all accounts not only a bad choice, he is a spectacularly bad choice whose set of abilities are as far as we have seen specially useless against the king. Nothing about him is a good match. Well, no one is a match in terms of physical skills or nen volume however what we have seen of his abilities is specially useless against the king.

 

[IsayWhaat]

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I would argue that the manga has already shown that feitan would do nothing short of failing spectacularly against the king. Everything about him sets him up for failure so decisive and laughable that he simply has no business in this discussion altogether. Lets look at what we know of feitan:

1.- Physical capacity: From a psychical standpoint feitan has shown to be better than an ant captain which is about as well as most high level nen users did however against the king that is garbage. Feitan does not compare in any regards to the king. There is not a shred of a snowballs chance in hell of him avoiding, resisting or otherwise surviving 1 physical attack from the king.

2- Nen volume. The comparison is even more laughable than the physical one. In either of the kings forms.

3.- Nen abilities. Pain packer has been brought up however I don't see how it would even kinda give the king a light tan. The king was freaking nuked and he was not evaporated, he was left as a lump of meat which could be healed. The rose melted stone and had immense blast, it was obviously far exceeding what pain packer could do. To boot there is another crucial thing to consider. As far as we know pain packer requires feitan to take damage. Presumably non lethal damage. Is there a chance of the king not dealing lethal damage? If the king aims to kill he does not even need to somewhat strain himself to turn feitain into a bloodstain. At this point perhaps pain packer can rise to a new level and stick to meruem due to the whole unknown thing nen has going on and do something although I don't think that counts for this argument.

Feitain is on all accounts not only a bad choice, he is a spectacularly bad choice whose set of abilities are as far as we have seen specially useless against the king. Nothing about him is a good match. Well, no one is a match in terms of physical skills or nen volume however what we have seen of his abilities is specially useless against the king.

Yes, King's power seems limitless and he did survive the blast of tremendous explosion. But lets not forget he died of poison. Killua, a 12 year old boy, can sustain poison. Which is kinda pathetic and shows he is not untouchable. In terms of that, probably someone with such chemical power would be the best to fight King.

Netero did good. But let's be honest, what did Netero actually do? Nothing. His nen was rather bad for offense but good for defence. The only thing that helped him last longer than 10 seconds is actually that one move that was faster than speed of sound if I am not mistaking. The fact that he could've done a whole lot of different moves is actually why he lost his arm and leg. King's superior intelligence is pure example why there is noone who could've taken him straight in fight. King would kill Feitan in 1v1. I'm certain of it. But Feitan would deal some real damage to him with his nen abilities rather than killing him with explosion.

But here we are talking about best 5. I imagine it like this. Feitan would be unable to reach King to deal any damage with his sword and he would actually end up losing one of his limbs or would sustain few broken bones from all the attempts. That would trigger his abilites, and only then, he would deal damage to King and probably to the rest 4 members of the "Yolo squad".

Now when I think about it. There would be 1 person who could win against King. A conjurer/specialist. Who would spend his lifetime training and creating nen abilities only for that purpose; to defeat the king. Something like what Chain Jail from Kurapika does. That's the only example I can remember of.

My best 5 : Knov, Feitan, Netero, Ging and Zeno.

 

[kkck]

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Yes, King's power seems limitless and he did survive the blast of tremendous explosion. But lets not forget he died of poison. Killua, a 12 year old boy, can sustain poison. Which is kinda pathetic and shows he is not untouchable. In terms of that, probably someone with such chemical power would be the best to fight King.

But, I'm still convinced Feitan would've done better than Netero. I mean, what did Netero actually do? Nothing. His nen was rather bad. The only thing that helped him last 10 seconds is actually that one move that was faster than speed of sound if I am not mistaking. Don't get me wrong. King would kill Feitan. I'm certain of it. But Feitan would deal some real damage to him with his nen abilities rather than killing him with explosion.

Its not necessarily a fair comparison though. Killua was trained from birth to resist poison, its not like surviving poison is a standard thing within the HxH world. That said, we also don't know how the zoldicks would handle the poison from the rose. The situation gets to the point that the body of the victim starts producing the poison and spreading it.

Well, but how? Feitan does not have the speed to even react to the king. At all. Feitan does not have the nen to resist an attack from the king. His techniques haven't shown any indication that they would be able to do the trick even if they would put the ryodan on the run. Netero was able to survive for so long because he was faster than the king, the issue ultimately was the king's uncanny resistance. Netero's attacks were in the end not weak at all. Each punch from him was enough to create a crater in the ground comparable to what uvo could do with his big bang impact. And a conservative approximation would suggest that meruem resisted hundreds of thousands of those, minimum. The king has asinine nen, extraordinary abilities, intellect that should make humanity as a whole seem slow, and strategic thinking that simply does not make sense along with incredible resistance to damage. To boot the king current feats downright negate the possibility of anything we have seen having any degree of effectiveness at all. The heat thing we saw cannot plausibly compare to the rose. Even the ant woman survived for a bit within that. Even if feitan survives enough for him to use pain packer there won't be a thing stopping the king from still killing him easily or otherwise just backing out to then jump in to finish the job against a tired and basically more helpless feitan.

Beating the king is not something that can be done via human means. What we saw with the explosion and netero proves that the king is from a human perspective immune to physical force. The king did survive hundreds of thousands of hits, zero, the blast of the explosion AND the temperatures within it.

 

[Riyuki]

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^ First off.. you are talking like this is a 1 vs 1 battle of Feitan vs. Meruem and its not. We are talking about 5 vs. Meruem, which means every character in the series is in the exact same situation vs Meruem. Why do you think this topic is titled "Best 5 vs. Meruem " lol? That was the only time we have ever seen Feitan fight, which is the same case for most of the troupe in those CA meteor city battles. Feitan is a hell of a lot better a choice than the majority of the cast. A lot of people believe he is strong as fuck, and I'm one of those people. Just because he got scratched a little means he is the worst choice for a battle with Meruem? Why are you thinking so one dimensionally about this?

Hell, you could have Knov take Feitan to his white room and just beat the shit out of him nonstop until Feitain is on the brink of death, or have Phinks do it, whatever floats your boat. Would a final level Pain Packer be more devastating than the rose? Probably not, but you cant just assume you know the maximum potential of every character.

The troupe is known to be some of the deadliest nen users out there.. the Zoldycks make it a rule to stay the F away from them at all costs to keep all family members alive, so why in the hell are you downgrading Feitan so hard? His final pain packer may not even kill him considering his attire during his attack. It would be realistic IMO to say that Rising Sun is the weakest form of PP. He was barely hurt in that fight and his Rising Sun attack literally blew up the entire damn place.

You are underestimating Feitan way too much IMO

 

[Demonspeed]

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Yes, King's power seems limitless and he did survive the blast of tremendous explosion. But lets not forget he died of poison. Killua, a 12 year old boy, can sustain poison. Which is kinda pathetic and shows he is not untouchable. In terms of that, probably someone with such chemical power would be the best to fight King.

But the posion is a safety measure to kill for sure all those surviving the explosion, Killua would not survive the explosion and the poison would kill him in the end even if he was able to survive it.

The bomb scatters a vast quantity of an unparalleled poison the instant it explodes. Those who survive the initial explosion will suffer direct internal damages caused by rapid uptake of the poison. The poison catalyzes the production and emission of new poison until the victims finally succumb to death. The quantity of poison as well as the survival time prior to death are truly exquisite, propagating a vast chain reaction of victims.

Netero did good. But let's be honest, what did Netero actually do? Nothing. His nen was rather bad for offense but good for defence. The only thing that helped him last longer than 10 seconds is actually that one move that was faster than speed of sound if I am not mistaking. The fact that he could've done a whole lot of different moves is actually why he lost his arm and leg. King's superior intelligence is pure example why there is noone who could've taken him straight in fight. King would kill Feitan in 1v1. I'm certain of it. But Feitan would deal some real damage to him with his nen abilities rather than killing him with explosion.

But here we are talking about best 5. I imagine it like this. Feitan would be unable to reach King to deal any damage with his sword and he would actually end up losing one of his limbs or would sustain few broken bones from all the attempts. That would trigger his abilites, and only then, he would deal damage to King and probably to the rest 4 members of the "Yolo squad".

Yes, Netero didn't do much with only his own skills, he could only stall for time but even when he was hit Meruem was holding back to not kill him, any human would turn into mincemeat after receiving only one hit of a serious Meruem, the RGs are the only ones able to tank it. A broken arm would not be enough to kill enough anyway, the biggest problem with Feitan's Pain Packer is that he lacks the durability, he is outclassed in terms of speed and power but he would need to have at least the durability of a RG to have a little chance.

 

[kkck]

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^ First off.. you are talking like this is a 1 vs 1 battle of Feitan vs. Meruem and its not. We are talking about 5 vs. Meruem, which means every character in the series is in the exact same situation vs Meruem. Why do you think this topic is titled "Best 5 vs. Meruem " lol? That was the only time we have ever seen Feitan fight, which is the same case for most of the troupe in those CA meteor city battles. Feitan is a hell of a lot better a choice than the majority of the cast. A lot of people believe he is strong as fuck, and I'm one of those people. Just because he got scratched a little means he is the worst choice for a battle with Meruem? Why are you thinking so one dimensionally about this?

Hell, you could have Knov take Feitan to his white room and just beat the shit out of him nonstop until Feitain is on the brink of death, or have Phinks do it, whatever floats your boat. Would a final level Pain Packer be more devastating than the rose? Probably not, but you cant just assume you know the maximum potential of every character.

The troupe is known to be some of the deadliest nen users out there.. the Zoldycks make it a rule to stay the F away from them at all costs to keep all family members alive, so why in the hell are you downgrading Feitan so hard? His final pain packer may not even kill him considering his attire during his attack. It would be realistic IMO to say that Rising Sun is the weakest form of PP. He was barely hurt in that fight and his Rising Sun attack literally blew up the entire damn place.

You are underestimating Feitan way too much IMO

To be honest I don't see how there is a chance of feitan approaching a fraction of the power or temperature of the rose. If the rose compares to a nuke in some level then we are already talking about temperatures much higher than that of the sun. What would it take for a human to do a fraction of that? I believe feitan is strong as fuck but only when compared to human characters. Meruem, the royals and to a large extent netero are basically beyond that.

I am not downgrading feitan, my point is that the manga has shown that the king can resist the things feitan has shown. His nen is useless, his speed is useless, his tricks are useless. Feitan is a bad match here.

And for the teamfight thing, I raise you that feitan sucks at them. Its not an issue of his personality or whatnot, there isn't an scenario where he is good at them. Sure, you can potentially beat him to a pulp and throw him at the king to see what happens but what then? Feitan's abilities in this case are doubly useless in a way. We have no reason to think they will damage the king and to boot his teammates have to run the hell away to not be obliterated by them. Having to run the hell away from feitan to not die when he uses a technique is on every level mutually exclusive with a teamfight. And beating him to a pulp to see what happens when you throw him to the king is not quite teamwork either. At least not good one. Or even bad one. Its barely even teamwork at all. I guess he could sacrifice himself but that still leaves the rest of the fight with only 4 people who have to deal with a virtually undamaged king. Who would have had to be far away enough to not die anyways.

I am not sure if feitan was barely hurt either. I would argue the fight suggested that he took a lot of damage. He was about to stab zazan with a ko sword and instead zazan threw a bunch of nen at him. In other words feitan took a nen hit with precisely no nen covering his body. And we know for a fact that even minuscule amounts of nen can cause severe damage in such situations. Of course he didn't look to hurt but considering what we know about nen and how insanely pissed of feitan got I doubt the damage was negligible.

I would argue that any plan to fight the king which involved any form or context of physical damage or force is doomed to fail. You would need people capable of working together in extremely complicated plans that the king won't immediately see through in order to restrain him via forcing him to zetsu or even imposing a powerful nen on him. And even then you have to hope that the king can't break through such things through the sheer force of his nen.

 

[Fox666]

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Agree. Meryem was almost killed by the Rose explosion, but the earth-melting temperature had little effect on him, Pouf and Yopi. So Feitan ability would have little effect on them.

 

[IsayWhaat]

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Uh uh, first thing. You all say Feitan lacks the speed. I mean, you do know he is the fastest among Phantom Troupe and one of the fastest people in anime? Netero is the fastest one, but you are all talking like Feitan is so far from Netero in terms of speed when he is actually a lot closer than what you all think. Not to mention his speed starts to increase dramatically the longer the fight lasts. So when teamfighting 5 vs Meruem, that is more than enough to dodge Meruem's lethal damage. Like I said, he would lose limbs and had broken bones all over his body, but that's the point right? No human can go 1v1 vs Meruem.

Feitan's Rising Sun was devastating when he fought the Ant Queen. And with what? Rising Sun is literally charged with how much Feitan has received damage. Queen managed to break his arm. As we don't have another example of his ability we can't say what would happen if Feitan is to lose a leg or something worse?

"All of the wounds and injuries Feitan has received in battle are Transmuted into scorching heat and emitted into the air."

This includes not only physical wounds, also the mentally done ones.

I still think Feitan is more than fair choice for the Best 5.

 

[kkck]

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Uh uh, first thing. You all say Feitan lacks the speed. I mean, you do know he is the fastest among Phantom Troupe and one of the fastest people in anime? Netero is the fastest one, but you are all talking like Feitan is so far from Netero in terms of speed when he is actually a lot closer than what you all think. Not to mention his speed starts to increase dramatically the longer the fight lasts. So when teamfighting 5 vs Meruem, that is more than enough to dodge Meruem's lethal damage. Like I said, he would lose limbs and had broken bones all over his body, but that's the point right? No human can go 1v1 vs Meruem.

Feitan's Rising Sun was devastating when he fought the Ant Queen. And with what? Rising Sun is literally charged with how much Feitan has received damage. Queen managed to break his arm. As we don't have another example of his ability we can't say what would happen if Feitan is to lose a leg or something worse?

"All of the wounds and injuries Feitan has received in battle are Transmuted into scorching heat and emitted into the air."

This includes not only physical wounds, also the mentally done ones.

I still think Feitan is more than fair choice for the Best 5.

Netero was faster than the speed of sound and the king himself could barely react to it. Still, he could react to it enough to be eventually able to predict netero's moves and eventually get to him. Feitain was at his best about as fast as zazan. Zazan was strong but compared to the royals or the king? I would argue she does not have the speed to even somewhat hold back the royals, let alone the king. The speed and power the royals alone had was insane. kaito did not last at all against pitou and her attack started apparently a mile away. There was the bit him being distracted by gon although considering everything things wouldn't have gone much differently in other scenarios. Overall I would argue feitan's top speed will basically look like slow motion to the king. Nothing we ever saw suggests there is a single nen user out there who has anything remotely close to what netero has in terms of speed. The only one in the manga who could actually come close to the speed netero had was cheetu and he could run circles around murao and knuckle.... I doubt feitan is that much faster than either or as even as fast as cheetu.

I don't see a way around the fact that feitan's abilities are unsuited for a teamfight altogether. His abilities are unsuited to non targets anywhere close to begin with... Feitan in a teamfight must necessarily not use his abilities and in that scenario it makes sense to have a stronger close range combatant.

 

[Demonspeed]

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If we are talking about movement speed excluding the prayers, I can see Feitan faster than Netero, Netero didn't show how fast he is excepted by prayers. Feitan was faster than Zazan and he was getting faster and faster, they should all be able to react to sound speed, Uvo confirmed they could have protected their ears when he shouted to kill Porcupine and some attacks of Bono are impossible to dodge unless you can do this. Netero's prayers must be much faster than only the speed of sound.

But Feitan would still get crushed, it's impossible for him to resist to one of Meruem's hits even with help, one hit would be enough to kill everyone, he will be unable to activate Pain Packer because he won't be alive to do so.

 

[kkck]

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If we are talking about movement speed excluding the prayers, I can see Feitan faster than Netero, Netero didn't show how fast he is excepted by prayers. Feitan was faster than Zazan and he was getting faster and faster, they should all be able to react to sound speed, Uvo confirmed they could have protected their ears when he shouted to kill Porcupine and some attacks of Bono are impossible to dodge unless you can do this. Netero's prayers must be much faster than only the speed of sound.

But Feitan would still get crushed, it's impossible for him to resist to one of Meruem's hits even with help, one hit would be enough to kill everyone, he will be unable to activate Pain Packer because he won't be alive to do so.

Well, you are right in that there is no one to directly compare netero in terms of running speed however I would still think he is more than exceptional in that area.
http://www.mangareader.net/207-14274-7/hunter-x-hunter/chapter-265.html
Here we see the entire movement netero spent 10 years doing (safe the prayer). Its not just the fist, its his whole body. We don't really know how strong the nen master there was however presumably he was at least adequate at the whole nen thing and even then he burst into tears at the sight of netero's prowess. Netero went to train after he had already become a high level nen user, its extremely likely that before his training he was at least comparable to the competent ryodan guys. Netere did his training when he felt he had reached a limit after all. Even if netero was only as fast as feitan in that specific department I would give netero an edge (and a significant one at that). Netero has it in him to fight and react at a level consistent with his prayer and arm speed which as we know is extremely fast. Pitou jumped at netero at full power with full intent to kill and from a shorter distance than he did against kaito and even then netero was able to more than easily react and punch him away along with basically communicating that pitou made a bad move. In netero's eyes the very movements of the royal guards are sluggish in the end. At the moment I can't fathom someone approaching netero and not receiving the mother of all bitchslaps even if kannon and the prayer was not a thing.

You are right about netero being much faster than the speed of sound, the page following the previous link makes the point that the sound of the punch comes after the punch itself.

 

[jimtors]

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Why use pre RG absorption.. Why not after the RG Absorption.. it would be more interesting to find people that can beat him in that state.