Blackbeard vs. Magellan Round 2

[bittman]

He can do that inside a prison without risking his crew or whatever "world-shaking" prize he's after? If so, all the more power to him. If not, and if the attack there even takes more than about 5 seconds to charge up, Magellan would have done at least 2-3 of his large store of poisons by then.

Of course, you did take the words right out of my mouth. "If BB is serious" : again, he's still more reputation than action. His actions have seen him take a lot of damage from ace, get hit by Luffy and get OHKO'ed from Magellan. His reputation have seen him scar a Yonkou, kill a division captain and scare another WB enough not to seek revenge.

On the other hand, Magellan is unmatched. Nothing has come close to appearing like an opposition, and he has one of the few abilities in the world that can cause a OHKO on even the strongest of men in the world.

Still Magellan with the stats...Blackbeard with the plot.

 

[Marche]

I think that if BB does not underestimate magellan he can take this. Most of magellans poisons can be absorbed by the darkness. A combination of gravity and darkness would allow BB to get rid of the poison and attract magellan to cancel his ability. In that situation magellan could end up being burt by his own poison and take some reasonable damage from BB actual physical strength.

I agree with you.
Or perhaps will be a draw.

 

[LeKuaSimi]

blackbeard can control his blackhole...Remember the fight against Ace? The darkness pulled in everything except for Ace and the rock he was standing on. Is that control or what?

 

[Schabrak]

blackbeard can control his blackhole...Remember the fight against Ace? The darkness pulled in everything except for Ace and the rock he was standing on. Is that control or what?

I'm sure it was mentioned before, but Blackbeard HIMSELF has said, that he unlike other logia takes damage when fighting. So he himself has pointed out, that he can't absorb everthing instantly,... not if somebody is faster than him. So Magellan > Blackbeard anyday, till shown otherwise in canon. He was serious in the Ace fight, where he took some good dmg otherwise he would be down right now.

 

[beastboy]

Hhhmmm... Quite frankly I don't see what magellan could do once BB does this:
http://www.onemanga.com/One_Piece/441/19/

Look at the absurd amount of darkness he released there. What could magellan do against that? Such an amount of darkness would more than easily every ounce of poison magellan can through and more. Even more, it can absorb magellan a billion times over. If BB is serious there is no reason for him to lose.

He can do this:
http://www.onemanga.com/One_Piece/547/04-05/

If one of those drops touches him, he loses... but we don't even now what that giant ball does...

And if BB can absorb attacks with is darkness that easily, why didn't he absorb Luffy's attack??

 

[kkck]

He can do that inside a prison without risking his crew or whatever "world-shaking" prize he's after? If so, all the more power to him. If not, and if the attack there even takes more than about 5 seconds to charge up, Magellan would have done at least 2-3 of his large store of poisons by then.

Of course, you did take the words right out of my mouth. "If BB is serious" : again, he's still more reputation than action. His actions have seen him take a lot of damage from ace, get hit by Luffy and get OHKO'ed from Magellan. His reputation have seen him scar a Yonkou, kill a division captain and scare another WB enough not to seek revenge.

On the other hand, Magellan is unmatched. Nothing has come close to appearing like an opposition, and he has one of the few abilities in the world that can cause a OHKO on even the strongest of men in the world.

Still Magellan with the stats...Blackbeard with the plot.

http://www.onemanga.com/One_Piece/441/05/
BB can very well aim his darkness though.

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He can do this:
http://www.onemanga.com/One_Piece/547/04-05/

If one of those drops touches him, he loses... but we don't even now what that giant ball does...

And if BB can absorb attacks with is darkness that easily, why didn't he absorb Luffy's attack??

What giant ball? You mean kinjite(hardly a ball though)? Still, I fail to see how darkness would not swallow it whole. Attacks hurt BB but only if they reach him...

 

[Darkever]

Blackbeard doesn't posses long range attacks. And everyone without long range attack is doomed to lose against Magellan. BB must touch Magellan to nullify his power, and touching him means getting poisoned.

The only chance for a non-ranged figher to beat Megallan would be a One-hit-KO attack. I expected Luffy would win with a Gomu Gomu no Jet Gigant Pistol, but it seems for Oda Luffy he wasn't powerful enough to try something like that, yet...

 

[kkck]

Blackbeard doesn't posses long range attacks. And everyone without long range attack is doomed to lose against Magellan. BB must touch Magellan to nullify his power, and touching him means getting poisoned.

The only chance for a non-ranged figher to beat Megallan would be a One-hit-KO attack. I expected Luffy would win with a Gomu Gomu no Jet Gigant Pistol, but it seems for Oda Luffy he wasn't powerful enough to try something like that, yet...

How is BB darkness not a long range attack? He clearly extended it over a long area back when he fought ace. He even used a huge ball of it back in banaro island.

 

[Franckie]

I'm sure it was mentioned before, but Blackbeard HIMSELF has said, that he unlike other logia takes damage when fighting. So he himself has pointed out, that he can't absorb everthing instantly,... not if somebody is faster than him. So Magellan > Blackbeard anyday, till shown otherwise in canon. He was serious in the Ace fight, where he took some good dmg otherwise he would be down right now.

What exactly can Magellan do to BB if BB sucks up his poison beforehand? Keep in mind too Magellan loses his DF powers once BB gets his hands on him.

 

[Oblivion]

BB would have to put his hand through poison to touch Magellan. So if he wants to touch magellan (by pulling him towards himself with dark vortex or whatever means), BB would automatically poison his hand. His Body always remains 'solid'. Touching Magellan means poisining oneself just like Luffy.

And no he can't suck away the poison from his own body or anyone else's or else he'd have done it in the first fight.

Therefore BB has to defeat Magellan without touching him/making him lose his DF-Abilities.

 

[RichardMNixon]

What happens if BB just sucks Magellan into a black hole on the ground like he did to these marines http://www.onemanga.com/One_Piece/542/04-05/? We still don't understand the results of that ability or what a target can do to stop it?

 

[Franckie]

BB would have to put his hand through poison to touch Magellan. So if he wants to touch magellan (by pulling him towards himself with dark vortex or whatever means), BB would automatically poison his hand. His Body always remains 'solid'. Touching Magellan means poisining oneself just like Luffy.

And no he can't suck away the poison from his own body or anyone else's or else he'd have done it in the first fight.

BB didn't burn his hand when he vortexed Ace.

Therefore BB has to defeat Magellan without touching him/making him lose his DF-Abilities.

This and/or this could certainly do the trick.

 

[THM Nindo]

I always had the impression that he it was in his plan... that he didn't really lose against Magellan but instead didn't want to fight him, so he lose by purpose, knowing that the other guy would bring the poison.

Because, to be quite honest, BB should be able to «dispel» the poison, even the one that goes into him, IMO.
I might be wrong, but that's how I see it.

 

[bittman]

Though BB can, most likely (unproven actually, we just assume he took Ace's Entei into a black hole), dispel attacks, what we're looking at (a millisecond after Magellan struck) is Blackbeard having to dispel trace amounts of poison throughout his entire body whilst in enormous amounts of pain.

Blackbeard can somewhat "cancel" DF powers, but not the results of them. Instead we assume he can suck these up to further tank. But for something like poisons, which get into the bloodstream, he would need to either be faster than Magellan or have anticipated it. And once it hit the bloodstream, to dispell he would need to make indescribably miniscule black holes to get rid of every little bit of poison that ran through all the blood of his body.

The amount of control we're talking about there would be phenomonal.

I'm still very curious what happened to Magellan. It may appear BB beat him, but there are a lot of other possibilities. Heck, Magellan is so broken I'd almost believe he's about to appear behind BB with something like "no-one escapes!" Be a little disappointed if he just got curbstomped.

 

[Dr. Vegapunk]

Hopefully he didnt get curbstomped, I really wish to see his character fleshed out more. Hopefully Oda will get us some backstory on the character more, however this might be impossible.

 

[cheaptrick]

magellan all the way! the only way for bb to defeat magellan would be to jump him with the full crew + shiryu (and that's probably what he did)

 

[Franckie]

magellan all the way! the only way for bb to defeat magellan would be to jump him with the full crew + shiryu (and that's probably what he did)

http://www.onemanga.com/One_Piece/576/06-07/

Just spreading the "darkness" alone is enough to seal a person's DF power. By the time Magellan figures out BB's power, he will probably already have suffered a couple of nasty punches from BB.

 

[BlackHair]

http://www.onemanga.com/One_Piece/576/06-07/

Just spreading the "darkness" alone is enough to seal a person's DF power. By the time Magellan figures out BB's power, he will probably already have suffered a couple of nasty punches from BB.

BB explicitly stated that he need to touch to seal off the DF powers (Panel 7). BB sealed WB's power by direct touch (Panel 1). If he was able to seal with just spreading the darkness he wouldn't have pulled Ace to him nor would he have risked direct confrontation with WB.

On topic: BB wins with Quake fruit, but without he loses.

Edit: upsi.. I forget that BB is a close ranch fighter. So it was needed to pull Ace and to confront WB directly to do damage. Still he needs to touch to seal off though.

 

[Schabrak]

As long as Magellan stays at range he would always win, due to his ability to control the movement of his Hydra(s), while Blackbeard/Whitebeard would only hit hard in close combat, while their Quake attacks where launched into one direction, so Magellan should be able to dodge them with his poison ride movements. Would Teach pull Magellan into him, Magellan would only have to spread the poison(AOE) and use his strongest attack. If he were able to touch BB with one sip of poison, it should be his win over time, like all his poisons (DOTs) do. In the end it's up to who has more stamina and durability.