Discussion Blackbeard's Strength

[JC123]

Nami got better with the climatact. Robin is already pretty strong. And she's an archaeologist for goodness sakes. She's not really interested in fighting overtly.

Not defending the fact that with the time frame BB could have gotten stronger. You're kinda just saying he's dumb for noticing a difference. But now this argument's getting to "No he isn't" "Yes he IS" territory.

Look, believe that he's not or is stronger. His clothes have changed marking a difference in something regarding BB and his character. It's not just the clothes. He looked like a henchman in Jaya. He looked like a boss in Janaro. Now, he looks like the captain of his own ship. Whether that signifies a change in his personality or something is up to Oda to decide. I just thought it was a good post showing his reasoning.

 

[Onomatopoeia]

@Blackhair: Your argument is interesting but at the same time their isn't anyway to back it up. At the same time the premise of your argument is guaranteed to be right though. 

Because quite simply BB will get stronger over time that's a given. His power will only increase. And as time goes by he'll also get new clothes.

At the same time that doesn't guarantee that the clothes are some sort of marker since after all they're are plenty of reasons to explain why someone would put on new clothes.

Simply put as time goes on he'll get new clothes and as time goes on he'll also steadily get stronger. But to state they're related based on this is a fallacy of some sort(Post Hoc maybe?).

After all even Oda draws people with new clothing if they are important enough or (all the SH's, Shanks, BB, heck even Hachi)

His grandeur has changed with his clothes which possibly shows his ascent to the Shichi but their isn't a gurantee that a relation exists between power.

 

[Lord Rayleigh]

Oh please, cut the crap. He meant to say that Oda was showing Blackbeard's growth with the changes of his outfit.

Personally, I don't think Blackbeard is any stronger now than he was when he was fighting Ace. Maybe a little. There hasn't really been that much time.

Anyway, it shows that BB is more powerful - not necessarily stronger in terms of fighting skills - but it is an indicator of his growth in the OP universe. Moreover, the development of the appearance amounts to the recognition of someone's power. BB has now being recognized at the strenght of a Shichibukai. And it is for me a kind of upgrade that must be recognized.
PS : for Razh, between Ace's defeat and the Shichibukai summit (the time for the change of the appearance), I would think of an interval of 3 weeks. An important time in the manga.
PS2 : You can see these kinds of change too as important. BB saw a new Luffy in the Chapter 444 with a development of ambition/strenght. I think the more can be said about BB that is now leading his second step in his plan.

 

[Razh]

I always thought of Blackbeard's change of attire as a sort of a countdown to the moment when he will stop pretending and announce his real goal to everyone.

That said, I don't think his attire is going to change that much any more. General appearance, I mean.

 

[braindamage351]

Blackbeard got a "pirate king" uniform once he joined the shichibukai. That's the only difference. His strength doesn't seem to be changing. I have to admit that he's definitely more limited than I thought, he seems to have an almost pathological inability to avoid attacks the first time he sees them. He's pretty specialized to fight logias.

well lucci has something called TEKKAI, that makes is skin stronger than steel.
If lucci can make a skin stronger than steel, BB should be able to create one stronger than wood

The latest chapter makes it clear more than anything that we were all seriously underestimating Luffy and Lucci's speed and hand-to-hand skill relative to the rest of the world. The main difference seems to be destructive power, special abilities, and haki. In terms of raw speed and skill, those two may be among the best in the world. I don't expect Blackbeard to be able to match CP9's techniques at all.

 

[beastboy]

yeah, but wood isn't as hard as steel, I think that dstro boats with fire is easy, just loock at merry he went down in a metter of minutes, and he wasn't break in an half.
Anyway I would say thanks to Onomatopeia but I don't see any button .

 

[bittman]

Firstly, way to flame Blackhair beastboy. Either you're immature, or immature with all that. Think about what you post before you post.

Blackhair has a point, obviously he didn't get it across to you that well.

Like Razh said (and I thanked him for), I also believe Blackbeard's evolution of appearance is leading up to him building himself up as a major threat. When we first saw him, that dirty stubble could hardly be called a beard, I can grow something more in 2 weeks. Yet recently we have a beard and his clothing is becoming steadily more in the image of a proper pirate.

A pirate that steals and cheats, but believes in dreams and enjoys power. That is the image Blackbeard is becoming, much more than any other pirate we've seen.

Image is everything in manga, if someone's image changes there is usually a reason. For instance, Moria is now sporting head bandages 24/7, you think Oda just said one day "you know what...bandages!" and added them? In the same way, Oda didn't just say "oh a tricorne! Let's add that."

 

[BlackHair]

After reading all ur posts it seemed my view was just narrowed and not big enough for the whole picture.
JC123 summarized it perfectly, far better than I ever could:

His clothes have changed marking a difference in something regarding BB and his character. It's not just the clothes. He looked like a henchman in Jaya. He looked like a boss in Janaro. Now, he looks like the captain of his own ship.

All in all I believe the new outfits marks the development of his character. Such as fighting power, closing in to his goal etc. That's at least my view, but just as Ono stated without any solid proofs.

Furthermore I believe it is not only limited to outfits. Extern changes, such as wounds, scars etc are also marking development or any kind of change. For example Smokers newly gained scar. But Actually I wasn't including every character in the one piece world, just those who have plot importance. While the SHs as the protagonists might be a different case. Since they have a daily appearance.

Anyway my whole post was actually only to explain the WB vs BB fight. That WB's title, the strongest man is valid, until there is a power-up of any character shown. Basically a addition to my past BB vs WB posts. I never read his title as an title given by the one piece world, but rather as a fact given by Oda himself. Since so far there wasn't any infoboxes containing void information.

@beastboy: Just stop comparing wood with steel for gods sake. Are u unable to understand how retarded that is? Tekkai hardens ur body like steel, it's not that they become steel. Which is absurd for every known reason. If Lucci is hit with tear gas (Magallan), would it have any effects on him? Yes it would. Now would it have any on steel? Clearly not. Same with fire (Ace) and other elements.

Also about Shanks, he changed his trousers lol. Pre -> After. In his case it may define: becoming Yonko, loosing arm etc.

Anyway, thx all (yes all) for reading my post and giving even thoughts to it.

 

[zerocooldx]

Blackbeard is every Devil Fruit users Kryptonite. His Darkness power pretty much just "sucks" things in, which obviously includes Devil Fruit powers. But if the opponent is not a Devil Fruit user then Backbeard is screwed. I'm not saying that an "aveage" person could beat him but if a failry strong non fruit user comes along he could take down Blackbeard. But on the other hand Blackbeard can render almost any Devil Fruit using opponent powerless for a certain amount of time. And apparently he seems to have good knowledge of Haki, now whether that means he himself can use it is still up in the air. But he can really be a big wildcard in the entire series.

 

[braindamage351]

The problem is, Blackbeard is specialized to beat admirals, when he should be specialized to beat the yonkou. It doesn't make sense right now.

 

[BlackHair]

Blackbeard is every Devil Fruit users Kryptonite.

I wouldn't describe his darkness fruit as kryptonite. Kryptonite weakens you to that extent that you are unable to move and depending on how long you are exposed to it, you might even die. If there would be a Kryptonite in the series, then it is seastone.

Also I wouldn't say every devil fruit, but rather mostly logia. Since they are not really used to get hit, so they can be seen as more "fragile". Zoan and Paramerca are used to get hit, so depending on their ability it might not have such an huge advantage.

The problem is, Blackbeard is specialized to beat admirals, when he should be specialized to beat the yonkou. It doesn't make sense right now.

Admirals are on a different level than ordinary logia (Enel, Croco, Ace). If u read Kizaru vs Rayleigh, u know what Im talking about. Since those guys are used to fight strong pirate with the ability to use haki. Thus they have experiences to get hit physically.

Anyway he isn't specialized to fight anyone. He is just insanely strong. The Op world is filled with different df ability users, there is no such df power which is superior to everyone. For example Kuma and Enel, they are able to teleport. Thus they could easily tp behind his back to avoid Vortex.. just a example of what Im talking about.

 

[zerocooldx]

Blackbeard is very unique, both power and personality wise. And he looks as if he will play a major role in the story.

 

[Underpowered]

About BBs weakness (dunno if it has been mentioned)...
Its described that he cant let attacks pass through him, but I think thats not very exact. I think he just can't disintegrate his body, but eventually absorb incoming attack with black holes.
This is a pretty baseless idea btw...

 

[zerocooldx]

About BBs weakness (dunno if it has been mentioned)...
Its described that he cant let attacks pass through him, but I think thats not very exact. I think he just can't disintegrate his body, but eventually absorb incoming attack with black holes.
This is a pretty baseless idea btw...

Bleackbeard is the only Logia that can be physically hurt through normal methods. Which is a sacrafice for him posessing the ability to temporarily disable Devil Fruit powers. So in the end it balances itself out.

 

[Onomatopoeia]

We all know BB doesn't take damage like a normal person, right?

In fact BB once stated that he takes more damage then he would normally because his powers suck everything up.

Well up until now I've always thought that the difference was minor but now I'm not so sure. Perhaps the multiplier for the amount of damage BB takes is actually quite high?

 

[Lord Rayleigh]

About BBs weakness (dunno if it has been mentioned)...
Its described that he cant let attacks pass through him, but I think thats not very exact. I think he just can't disintegrate his body, but eventually absorb incoming attack with black holes.
This is a pretty baseless idea btw...

He cannot let attacks pass through him, that is sure. Nevertheless, he can indeed avoid attacks by using his dark power. He just have to put his dark matter ahead.

 

[zerocooldx]

I wouldn't describe his darkness fruit as kryptonite. Kryptonite weakens you to that extent that you are unable to move and depending on how long you are exposed to it, you might even die. If there would be a Kryptonite in the series, then it is seastone.

I didn't really mean the Kryptonite remark to be taken literally. All i was saying is that Blackbeard takes away all of the Devil Fruit users strenghts/powers. And since Blackbeard's darkness "disables" a Devil Fruits users powers, then Zoan's should temporarily revert back to their normal form. Much like Luffy lost his rubber abilities for a short time when he encountered Blackbeards darkness.

 

[wildgunz89]

been reading this forum didnt know if anyone noticed that bb might of died because of magellans poison o.o does that mean magellan>bb>ace? not for aginst his strength just wanted to add fuel to the fire =)

 

[bittman]

Well yeah, Magellan > 99% of character's we've seen in One Piece so far. Even Whitebeard, who would undoubtedly smash Magellan into pieces, would be just as powerless if he was hit with the poison as every other human being. It's a bit of an absolute power really, though the true enemy in a battle against Magellan is time.

But this is not about Magellan...

I still put BB almost dying to Magellan down to two and a half things. Firstly, Magellan never used his final poison which is basically akin to instant death. Secondly, Blackbeard and crew underestimated Magellan's strength and were unable to react until it was too late. Secondly and a half (or alternatively), Blackbeard and crew allowed themselves to take the hit to have Magellan pass by whilst Shiryuu obtained an antidote thus giving them more free time to explore/search Impel Down.

I'd like to believe Magellan > BB because that means BB definitely has room to grow, however I really don't think we've seen the true strength of his hairy chest. Surely Shanks doesn't fear Blackbeard because he can punch hard enough to almost break the neck of a scrawny logia. And that scar didn't come from a punch...unless he's Wolverine in disguise...

 

[RichardMNixon]

As far as Magellan is concerned it would appear that Blackbeard's greatest power is that fate he's always on about.