Discussion Blackbeard's Strength

[Razh]

Surely Shanks doesn't fear Blackbeard because he can punch hard enough to almost break the neck of a scrawny logia. And that scar didn't come from a punch...unless he's Wolverine in disguise...

He doesn't have to be Wolverine to scratch someone with his nails. That's probably the origin of Shanks' scar. Either that or a fork. Fork is stupid.

 

[ZenoArmani]

Characters with extremely strong offensive powers with longer reach than Magellan could probably take him, and Marco might be able to withstand his poisons. I'm not sure about how logia element forms would work.

Blackbeard has seemed pretty calculating thus far, so I can't see him being uninformed about Magellan, and he does have the maybe foremost poisons expert in the world in his crew, so they likely prepared themselves with heavy antidotes in advance, pretended to be defeated so Magellan wouldn't try other poisons than the ones he uses normally, and then took a lot of more antidotes and went on to do whatever they were in the prison to do, beyond getting Shiryuu.

If he wants to be the new Gold Rogers, then freeing all the prisoners at the bottom floor as really powerful new crew members would be a great start. (Was the required bounty for the final level ever stated? 200,000000+ Beri or even higher? Was the okama king/queen originally at the bottom before setting up the bar?)

 

[Razh]

Shiryuu gave them the antidotes. At least in the version that I read.

 

[RichardMNixon]

Blackbeard has seemed pretty calculating thus far, so I can't see him being uninformed about Magellan,

Calculating, yes, careful no. He's as reckless and lucky as Luffy, and he likes it that way. Also note that he thought Shiryuu was Magellan, so he couldn't have been too informed.

 

[Poneglyph420]

BB is powerful, powerful enough to beat Ace...who I don't consider a a scrawny logia. If the only guy we can find who can stop him so far is Magellan... well well. No one up til now could have handled Magellan any better.

That being said his strength is like that of the other Shichibukai. He's not as much of a threat as a Yonkou or Admiral. BB is kind of the hidden factor..
He has kept himself secreted away and used stealth. BB is deserving of his given status, but by no means is a god among pirates or anything.....

 

[beastboy]

BB=Luffy IMO

And I think he taked Ace off.. cause in the moment of is defeat he used some really dirty trick.. like having the sniper shoot a kairoseki bullet!!

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Or he draw a kairoseki Fork (does you use to eat) to Ace.. while he was destrected with that huge ball!

 

[Tengu24]

Shanks stated that BB gave him that scar, and shanks wasnt holding back!... BB wasnt even using his DF..only that statement and getting away fine, easy ranks him in the top 10 strongest pirates in one piece

 

[Razh]

Shanks stated that BB gave him that scar, and shanks wasnt holding back!... BB wasnt even using his DF..only that statement and getting away fine, easy ranks him in the top 10 strongest pirates in one piece

I'm not saying Blackbeard is weak, but the scar that he gave to Shanks doesn't prove much. And it wasn't even much of a wound. A superficial scratch over the eye. It's easy to leave a scar in that area.

Look at how many opponents managed to wound Luffy hundreds of chapters before. Does that make that opponents equal to Luffy now? No.
Repeat, I'm not saying Blackbeard is weak, but I don't like the logic behind that last sentence. Something that happened 20 years ago is not a definite proof of someone's strength today.

 

[chess4]

shanks thinks that BB is enough of a threat to warn WB that he may come for his head one day. if shanks didnt think that BB could actually do it, then he wouldnt have warned him.

 

[Lord Rayleigh]

Shanks stated that BB gave him that scar, and shanks wasnt holding back!... BB wasnt even using his DF..only that statement and getting away fine, easy ranks him in the top 10 strongest pirates in one piece

Do not forget that the Shanks you talk about here was not a Yonkou (and thus not one of the 10 strongest pirates) as he got that scar before he met Luffy.
It happened probably when Shanks was a Gold Roger's nakama and thus an apprentice. It could be between Roger's execution and the meeting with Luffy but I don't think so.
To confirm that, we need to see the picture when he asked Buggy to become his nakama, that was just after Roger died : if he has a scar, it means he got it before Roger died and thus very likely before the crew disbanded.

 

[RichardMNixon]

His face is covered; perhaps intentionally? The way Akainu's face was hidden by his hat?

http://www.onemanga.com/One_Piece/434/10/

 

[Lord Rayleigh]

So, we cannot know if BB injured him when he was an apprentice or if he did when he was a pirate captain. The only thing that is sure is that it happened before he met Luffy (and thus before he came back to the GL for the second time and become a Yonkou).

 

[RichardMNixon]

We don't know that he wasn't a Yonkou when me met Luffy though. Do we know how many years between Shanks leaving and Luffy leaving? Was Shanks there after Ace left? If that's the case I think it'd be safe to assume he was already a Yonkou.

 

[Razh]

We don't know that he wasn't a Yonkou when me met Luffy though. Do we know how many years between Shanks leaving and Luffy leaving? Was Shanks there after Ace left? If that's the case I think it'd be safe to assume he was already a Yonkou.

Shanks and Luffy didn't meet again after he lost his hand. And I think I remember that Ace went 3 years before Luffy. As we know, Ace and Shanks met probably during the first year of Ace's adventure.

 

[Poneglyph420]

Yes BB Scarred Shanks the Yonkou, when he had two arms..
For sure BB is powerful, his weakness is his arogance.
For sure he will rise to be one of the biggest threats on the sea...

But BB is still establishing himself, we need to see his next move..

 

[Lord Rayleigh]

We don't know that he wasn't a Yonkou when me met Luffy though. Do we know how many years between Shanks leaving and Luffy leaving? Was Shanks there after Ace left? If that's the case I think it'd be safe to assume he was already a Yonkou.

Rayleigh said that Shanks and him met in the Shabondy Archipelago and that Shanks was making a new start (captain of his own crew) - the link - : that means he was not a Yonkou as he was said to start a new piracy. Besides, Shanks also said to Rayleigh he has met someone that reminds him Roger and he had lost his SH and his arm. So, he met Rayleigh there after he met Luffy, and thus he was not a Yonkou when he was at Fushia Town with Luffy.
And you also have an indication of time : there at least 10 years between Shanks leaving and Luffy leaving as Shanks met Rayleigh on Shabondy Archipelago about ten years ago according to the Dark King. And when Luffy met Shanks, Luffy did not know Ace yet : when he met Ace and Dadan, Luffy already had his scar.

 

[Bugzee]

BB is extremely powerful, the knowledge and experiences he picked up all that time under WB is important to his success right now with his intentions/goals!

I do believe he will soon become on a Yonkou level! Hes DF is just on another level, it truly suits him as well lol! BB also analyses and remembers his enemy's traits/developments as well!!! Like when he unexpectedly realised he underestimated Luffy's strength. E.g. in Impel Down!

 

[Poneglyph420]

Sure he seems to have gained a lot of strength while on WB's crew. And prob. got an insane amount of info too. But BB seems to really depend on fate, which is romantic but risky... Like in Impel Down when Magellan owned the BB crew.

But he's overconfident I bet Shanks could own BB.
It will take him time to be Yonkou level..

I'm hoping he won't show up for some time..

 

[Franckie]

There're still people who don't think BB isn't top-tier? He has some of the best feats in the manga. He became a Shichibukai with a 0 bounty (they're suppose to scare pirates you know), outfought a Yonkou, defeated 2 of WB's Commandeers, and ate a DF of the "strongest" type, yet unique even amongst them. He's also the leading candidate for final villain, which places him at the very top in terms of powerscaling. Sure, Magellan one-shotted him, but who else in the manga could survive such an overpowered technique? The only people who could survive would be logias such as Smoker and Enel, and they're nowhere near the top of the food chain.

 

[Poneglyph420]

No doubt BB is one of the ten deadliest pirates alive and will soon be aiming for WB's head most likely....
And I do think BB will be a major enemy, perhaps the last on the road to Raftel..
He does have the nastiest DF yet and defeated 2 of WB's commanders.
He Scarred Shank's eye, if he had a missing eye then I'd be scared...

Of course he's powerful, but due to that he needs other weakness' like his overconfidence to balance him.

He needs time to assemble a full crew find a suitable ship and take the steps needed to take anyone but WB right now. If he were to do so now i'd be surprised. But no doubt he has the power. I'm still confident however of any of the Yonkou Shanks could best handle BB. IF he were to come for WB in his current state yeah it would be bad for WB. Bad as in dead.