Discussion Blackbeard's Strength

[Fox666]

Giant fire ball? That was probably sucked in by the black hole. Poison is different.

Take two guys. Throw sulfuric acid at one. Use a blowtorch at the other. It's not that different.

There's too much weight put on Shiryuu being "equal" to Magellan. Yeah, they had comparable strength right? Who do you think would have an advantage if they fought? One of them is a swordsman and the other spams various poison without end. Maybe Shiryuu could kill Magellan, but he would die pretty soon after.

Are you saying that Shiryuu saying to Blackbeard that he underestimated Magellan means that Blackbeard is supposed to be stronger? It just means that Blackbeard expected to beat him without much trouble. And he was wrong as we've seen.
A "man of that caliber"? It doesn't have to mean strength. What about leadership, guts? Are people drawn to Luffy because of his strength?

If it was only one thing, I would agree. But it's not...

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I have read some people saying that Haki makes Yami Yami no Mi useless. But here are the conclusion I come:

Blackbeard was one of Whitebeard pirates at Gold Roger times. And fought hard with Shanks. Based on that he should be one of the greatest specialists in Haki of the series. And he shouldn't be looking for Yami Yami no Mi for nothing.

And about the differences beetween the two:

Haki natures allows it to hit Logias because it destabilize the opponent, making him loosing control over his forms. And in the case of Luffy, like Rokushiki techniques Haki has penetration aspect.

Yami Yami no Mi is different, as it removes the Devil Fruit power. If you remember Blackbeard description, it works for Paramecia or Zoan. The Yami Yami no Mi sucks the "waves" of Devil Fruits.

Example of pratical use that differs Yami Yami no Mi from Haki: Sentoumaru vs Chopper - Haki doesn't give enough power to beat monster Chopper. Yami Yami no Mi would otherwise take Chopper backs to the quadrupede reindeer form.

And we don't know the extend of Yami Yami no Mi power.

Can Blackbeard use it at long range? Can he change the direction of attacks? Can he use gravity at an itensity which would make it looks like Blackbeard materialized a black sword?

And more important: can Blackbeard nullify Haki? Since "nothing escapes gravity". If Luffy starts to use Haki as an comventional attack, that would makes Blackbeard his ultimate enemy.

 

[Razh]

Take two guys. Throw sulfuric acid at one. Use a blowtorch at the other. It's not that different.

It appears you didn't understand what I meant.

Was Entei the only attack Ace used on Blackbeard or did he burn him at least 3 times before that? In case of Ace, fire didn't leave a lasting effect on Blackbeard. He was burned and the fire was extinguished or absorbed.

Poison poisons people. It enters the blood and then shit happens. I just don't understand why I have to explain all this when you perfectly know it yourself.

 

[Gats]

BB strength is a little hard to evaluate. His power is quite strange, he is at the same time so powerful but also weak in a way. He is far from invincible.

Potentially I see very well Robin breaking his neck in 2s with her power, despite his dark power...do you think that his entire body can cancel a DF power ? Maybe her arms wouldn't go out of his body because it's a DF power.

 

[Fox666]

Some notes:

- Blackbeard seems to be able to turn back Logia users without touching them. Touching seals the power completely, all defenses and attacks.

- Blackbeard "stored" some guards from Impel Down. So the gravity also works with dimensions (which makes sense for gravity). What's the extend of this ability?

It appears you didn't understand what I meant.

Was Entei the only attack Ace used on Blackbeard or did he burn him at least 3 times before that? In case of Ace, fire didn't leave a lasting effect on Blackbeard. He was burned and the fire was extinguished or absorbed.

Poison poisons people. It enters the blood and then shit happens. I just don't understand why I have to explain all this when you perfectly know it yourself.

What I am trying to say is that Ace's final attack should pulverize the opponents. if Blackbeard survived it, there may be a way to handle the poison.

 

[Dr. Vegapunk]

Its funny but didn't shanks who is a Yonkou get his scars from blackbeard and that was before blackbeard got his Yami Yami no Mi devil fruit. Blackbeard is already Yonkou level. Mark my words he will be the final enemy luffy has to defeat for him to become the pirate king.

Didnt that happen like a long time ago, it sure as hell didnt happen recently.

 

[Lord Rayleigh]

What I am trying to say is that Ace's final attack should pulverize the opponents. if Blackbeard survived it, there may be a way to handle the poison.

BB's body is not protected by his DF power, unlike others logia users : there is definitely no way for him to handle the poison because of that.
About the fact he survived Ace's fire, Razh had said it several times : Ace's Entei had been absorbed into BB's darkness. That seems pretty obvious knowing the fact darkness absorbs everything.
Anyway, the same could be done with Magellan's poison : BB just needs to absorbe it BUT if he get touched by it, he will get injured.


I have to think that BB will beat Magellan. BB is still in ID and Oda said clearly that this incident is not finished yet. That means something had to happen for ID. As Magellan and the ID guards will have to face BB again, BB will get his re-match (like Luffy had against some opponents) and this time he'll beat Magellan thanks to his powers : he will protect himself from the poison, will cancel Magellan's powers and beat him.
He will do the same he did against Ace : he blocked Ace's fire attacks with darkness, canceled Ace's DF powers by catching him, hit him and absorbed him into darkness. He will just do the same fight against Magellan and his poisons.

 

[LeKuaSimi]

Did BB absorb the fire, or did he absorb the air around it thus extinguishing the fire? I am not sure if the same can be done to poison.

 

[LongLiveOnePiece]

hello guys.. i Think BB wil be the last villain of OP so he has to be uber strong:P. ..till now we know that he has been at Whitebeard's crew for more than 22 years ( chapter 0 ) so he is strong.as well Ace told him to become the 2nd division commander telling him that he is an old timer and obviously Ace recognizes his strength..to continue he killed Thatch, commiting the worst crime in a pirate ship..However, WB asked Ace not to go.he was a bit afraid a bit uneasy about that,so it means he knew he is powerful,,of course there is the fact that he beat Ace.fruit or no fruit,its part of him afterall..finally, he has even fought with shanks himself although we dont know the details..so o conclude he is powerful.way too powerful. and i think the same can be said for his crew-Shirryu vs Zoro will be hell of a battle:P

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BB strength is a little hard to evaluate. His power is quite strange, he is at the same time so powerful but also weak in a way. He is far from invincible.

Potentially I see very well Robin breaking his neck in 2s with her power, despite his dark power...do you think that his entire body can cancel a DF power ? Maybe her arms wouldn't go out of his body because it's a DF power.

what you say about robin may come true as a matter of fact.but in BB's case i think his physical power is far beyond robins DF.he wouldn't bother for some arms.he was WB's nakama for so long afterall.my opinion though :P

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Also, Blackbeard's awesome. I hope he kills Whitebeard in the upcoming battle.

although i love BB as an ultra powerful villain and character i dont want WB to die http://mangahelpers.com/forums/images/smilies/frown.jpg .we are speaking for the most powerful man alive ( oda only knows for how much more :P ) and the best DF.i dont say quake is the most powerful( it may be though.but it pawnsssssss.it kicks asses.it's so "beautiful"

 

[kkck]

I don't think BB would have that much trouble defeating magellan. What stops him from creating a huge mass of darkness and absorb magellan and every ounce of poison he can throw? There isn't even a thing magellan could do about it. At most magellan could pull of a double kill but that is it IMHO.

 

[Razh]

I don't think BB would have that much trouble defeating magellan. What stops him from creating a huge mass of darkness and absorb magellan and every ounce of poison he can throw? There isn't even a thing magellan could do about it. At most magellan could pull of a double kill but that is it IMHO.

So now you're saying that Blackbeard can defeat anyone in One Piece. Battles don't go that way. Otherwise the fights would be much shorter.

 

[kkck]

So now you're saying that Blackbeard can defeat anyone in One Piece. Battles don't go that way. Otherwise the fights would be much shorter.

That's barely an argument against what I said lol. Seriously, what exactly stops BB from creating a huge mass of darkness and absorbing magellan and evert ounce of poison he can throw? It's not like we haven't seen BB creating huge masses of darkness of absorbing people for later release, he could as easily just leave them there for a long time and let the starve. 3 days without water is more than enough. I guess there could be more limitations to BB fruit but right now we have no idea of any which would stop BB from just creating darkness and absorbing people for a few days. Here is what I am talking about.
http://www.onemanga.com/One_Piece/542/06/
Why would it be different for BB to absorb magellan from absorbing that battleship along with the crew? Truth is the only way to avoid BB absorption would be to fly in a superman kinda way (not like a bird who relies of physics and stuff lol)

 

[Razh]

That's barely an argument against what I said lol. Seriously, what exactly stops BB from creating a huge mass of darkness and absorbing magellan and evert ounce of poison he can throw?

Plot does.
Sure, he could to that theoretically. But if he can do it that easily then there isn't anyone in One Piece who he can't beat. The gravity of black holes absorbs everything.

Blackbeard has shown that he's not really good at avoiding attacks. Even if he does try to pull in Magellan straight away, it's no guarantee that he'll escape unharmed. Magellan has versatile attacks. And if he knows what Blackbeard's power is, he won't be caught off guard.

I'd say Blackbeard should avoid that fight at all costs.

 

[kkck]

Plot does.
Sure, he could to that theoretically. But if he can do it that easily then there isn't anyone in One Piece who he can't beat. The gravity of black holes absorbs everything.

Blackbeard has shown that he's not really good at avoiding attacks. Even if he does try to pull in Magellan straight away, it's no guarantee that he'll escape unharmed. Magellan has versatile attacks. And if he knows what Blackbeard's power is, he won't be caught off guard.

I'd say Blackbeard should avoid that fight at all costs.

Then maybe that is the reason for which he sat behind in WB ship for decades, just waiting for this miracle all powerful fruit right? Even if he is not particularly good at avoiding attacks (and his fruit apparently makes it worst) once he activates it he can rampage to his liking while trashing and absorbing anyone. There might be a few problems with BB character when using the fruit but potentially he could get out of a fight by just absorbing people.

 

[Omnion_1990]

So, we cannot know if BB injured him when he was an apprentice or if he did when he was a pirate captain. The only thing that is sure is that it happened before he met Luffy (and thus before he came back to the GL for the second time and become a Yonkou).

over here before rogers death hes seen without it:

http://www.onemanga.com/One_Piece/565.5/04/

but what is cringing is over here its hidden:

http://www.onemanga.com/One_Piece/565.5/14/

so he may have got it then ^. but well never know.

All i know is that blackbeard WILL be MAD strong against Logia types, just how he has shown with ace. for god knows the length they never/ barely (if with haki) been hit in their life times with their logia powers which negate psychical attacks. after that long a hit by a man of blackbeards strength would, albeit not fatally harm someone, but SHOCK them enough for blackbeard to do srs damage to them.

as of yet i doubt anyone can avoid his dark attraction and since this is a relatively "new" ability he will only get more used to it an grow stronger.

but still i think the fact that this semi-logia power he has, has a HUGE weakness. if he fights someone like garp, someone who is mad fast and strong, he will be fuxxed. key to beating blackbeard is hitting him quicker than he can "activate" he darkness ability since physical attack hit him.

 

[louizosr]

a)i think luffy's speed and agility by gear second will be difficult to catch by bb's vortex,u have seen it he's fast
b)i dont think the one piece creator will give bb haki because he's a villan and he's sneaky
c)god eneru is pretty damn good no matter what luffy says(dont forget he can electrify his heart and revive and he wasnt defeated easily by luffy's stong punches and he has mantra)he's strong admit it
d)i dont want luffy to defeat bb..i want ace(he's my favorite and i want him have revenge but i do think that it will be mugiwara crew vs bb's crew)
e)i want to see knew moves from luffy,maggelan,ace,bb and i want to see luffy's crew and his reaction

 

[LeKuaSimi]

Even light cannot run from a black hole...What's more of infinite gravity?

And villians can have haki, fyi.

 

[Schabrak]

a)i think luffy's speed and agility by gear second will be difficult to catch by bb's vortex,u have seen it he's fast
b)i dont think the one piece creator will give bb haki because he's a villan and he's sneaky
c)god eneru is pretty damn good no matter what luffy says(dont forget he can electrify his heart and revive and he wasnt defeated easily by luffy's stong punches and he has mantra)he's strong admit it
d)i dont want luffy to defeat bb..i want ace(he's my favorite and i want him have revenge but i do think that it will be mugiwara crew vs bb's crew)
e)i want to see knew moves from luffy,maggelan,ace,bb and i want to see luffy's crew and his reaction

a) and he still cought him in ID without any effort, I'm not saying that Luffy could not get away, but escaping is not the goal in a fight.^^
b) name is Oda... and Teach seems to get companions/nakama just as easily as Luffy, just that his way of doing things is way darker/worse, they still have the same ambitions and dreams. Nonetheless, him having haki would'nt change his fighting style anyway, as his df power has the same effect, just more badass. Thus his power is much more effective against logia, than on the other fruits. We still have to see him fighting a zoan user. The admirals all have haki, so are they good guys now?
c) Enel may was just blabbering there. As if a logia would have heart problems... he can just switch to element form. His only pluis is he would never die of a heart stroke. If someone were to smash his heart in human form, he would damaged anyway
d) Odacchi does'nt care about single persons mind, ok he does but only in the SBS^^. Luffy did show that his willpower will let him come a long way and his revenge was interrupted by Jinbei, so he still has a fight to finish.
e) who does'nt? XD

 

[kkck]

a)i think luffy's speed and agility by gear second will be difficult to catch by bb's vortex,u have seen it he's fast
b)i dont think the one piece creator will give bb haki because he's a villan and he's sneaky
c)god eneru is pretty damn good no matter what luffy says(dont forget he can electrify his heart and revive and he wasnt defeated easily by luffy's stong punches and he has mantra)he's strong admit it
d)i dont want luffy to defeat bb..i want ace(he's my favorite and i want him have revenge but i do think that it will be mugiwara crew vs bb's crew)
e)i want to see knew moves from luffy,maggelan,ace,bb and i want to see luffy's crew and his reaction

I don't think luffy's speed would be able to save him from BB gravity. Luffy is fast but BB gravity covers far too much ground. Ace seems to be fairly fast without his fruit, probably more so than luffy (thats just my opinion ATM though) and he was still caught.

BB was one of the first people to ever talk about haki. He seems fairly knowledgeable about it. I doubt he knows about it but lacks the capacity to use it. He also was capable of hurting shanks before having his DF, I would think he has something which would allow him to have more than decent hand to hand combat.

 

[beastboy]

I don't think luffy's speed would be able to save him from BB gravity. Luffy is fast but BB gravity covers far too much ground. Ace seems to be fairly fast without his fruit, probably more so than luffy (thats just my opinion ATM though) and he was still caught.

BB was one of the first people to ever talk about haki. He seems fairly knowledgeable about it. I doubt he knows about it but lacks the capacity to use it. He also was capable of hurting shanks before having his DF, I would think he has something which would allow him to have more than decent hand to hand combat.

http://www.onemanga.com/One_Piece/544

If BB s that overpowr, and can create a mass of gravity, why didn't he create one of those to dodge luffy punch... I'd say that if it wasn't for Jinbei, BB would have a really tough time...
Its pretty obvious BB is weak against fisicall fighters... and Luffy is his perfect counter...
Stretches is arms behind... BB does Kurouso (at a greater distance, the one you saw there was close range), Luffy's arms start coming fowrword fast, and Luffy him self is going forword, it ends up a short ranged bazooka, with 2x speed..

 

[bittman]

Let's review the only battle of Blackbeard we've seen to date: He took 2 hits from a fire logia before getting an attack in.

Blackbeard is most likely a tank-like character, Luffy has always been an agility character. Review any of Luffy's battles, and he dodges even the most skilled opponent's attacks. Review Blackbeard's (brief) battles, and I'm yet to see him dodge a thing.

That's not to discredit Luffy. His rubber punches are ridiculously fast, and I don't think Blackbeard is top tier yet enough to block them with ease or take them without damage.

I still find this thread strange. It's far too hard to rate Blackbeard, he's still completely unpredictable and, as Shanks and Jimbei have mentioned, was always an "unknown quantity".

Blackbeard is still more hype than hard evidence.