Discussion Blackbeard's Strength

[chess4]

BB is a beast, but we really dont know how strong he is. either way he will be a big player in the new world. i cant wait until he recruits the 3 super pirates on level 3

 

[ScratchmenApoo]

Blackbeard is probably gaining allies for his plan to succeed. He knows that even though his darkness fruit is the 'strongest of them all' , he cannot succeed without other nakama. For other people to join him, there must be a good motive. Probably what he is aiming for (all following is my own personal belief) is world domination by finding ancient weapons like Pluton and use fear as a reason for people to follow him. If he indeed went to Impel Down to find more of those herendous pirates, they will join him because they got thrown into jail for wanting something similar themselves. Now if Blackbeard asks them to join and rule the world, they'll agree for sure.

Maybe it's something close to this.. Blackbeard knows that one of the prisoners in Impel Down knows the secrets to a weapon like Pluton and gets him/her to join and reveal information in exchange of escape.
See, Blackbeard can't do everything himself. He needs all the allies he can get.

And the battle against Luffy isn't that easy. If Luffy has the speed and Blackbeard can't catch up, he will surely be knocked out eventually because for how long can you keep taking hits. Maybe he is a tank character, but everyone has a limit.

 

[LeKuaSimi]

Well, BB can create a mass of darkness, which would be able to absorb Luffy. That attack is called blackhole. Now when Luffy used bazooka on BB, BB did not dodge not attempt to negate the damage with his df. It is just his style.

a) and he still cought him in ID without any effort, I'm not saying that Luffy could not get away, but escaping is not the goal in a fight.^^
b) name is Oda... and Teach seems to get companions/nakama just as easily as Luffy, just that his way of doing things is way darker/worse, they still have the same ambitions and dreams. Nonetheless, him having haki would'nt change his fighting style anyway, as his df power has the same effect, just more badass. Thus his power is much more effective against logia, than on the other fruits. We still have to see him fighting a zoan user. The admirals all have haki, so are they good guys now?
c) Enel may was just blabbering there. As if a logia would have heart problems... he can just switch to element form. His only pluis is he would never die of a heart stroke. If someone were to smash his heart in human form, he would damaged anyway
d) Odacchi does'nt care about single persons mind, ok he does but only in the SBS^^. Luffy did show that his willpower will let him come a long way and his revenge was interrupted by Jinbei, so he still has a fight to finish.
e) who does'nt? XD

c)Wiper' skate has seastone.

 

[ScratchmenApoo]

Now when Luffy used bazooka on BB, BB did not dodge not attempt to negate the damage with his df. It is just his style.

I disagree. Blackbeard had never fought Luffy before nor had he an idea of his powers. He underestimated Luffy. Luffy's Second Gear attacks are extremely fast and Blackbead had no time to think. Now as Luffy went for the second attack, Blackbeard already had full awareness of the situation and acted accordingly.
That's Blackbeard's only weakness, he is too confident in his strength.
Also if someone has a fast unexpected attack (as proven by Magellan too) Blackbeard can do absolutely nothing about it and is forced to take a direct hit. Luffy's Jet Bazooka is his strongest attack (maybe Jet Gatling if he lands 100% of the hits for a long period of time) and Blackbeard recovered quite fast, so the only attack I can think of actually surprising in both speed and strength is the 200 million volt by Enel.

 

[Fox666]

Seriously, Blackbeard weakness is that he keep talking while in battle. ALL his battles he did that and ended up being attacked.

 

[senewe]

He is STRONG
seriously, he fought SHANKS without his yami-yami fruit...
and i think he posses haki. how can he tied up with shanks without it (and DF)

 

[RichardMNixon]

Plot armor is definitely his greatest asset. The way that he seems to KNOW he has plot armor though is what I think makes him so incredible as a character, and why I feel justified in including it in his strength as opposed to whining about it. http://www.onemanga.com/One_Piece/549/03/

 

[bittman]

There's like ten Blackbeard threads, but I figured my idea best fit into here:

Now that we've been introduced to Blackbeard's ability to, not only "wield" two devil fruits, but also steal them from the previous owner upon death, many have been asking how it was possible.

That's not what I've been thinking about however. My wonder is: did Teach kill Thatch BEFORE or AFTER Thatch completely claimed it by eating it? We've always assumed that Teach killed Thatch in order to steal the Devil Fruit from him to eat himself. However, consider this:

If all Teach needed to do was "steal" the fruit from Thatch, would it not be as simple as overpowering him, or even just sneaking by him, nicking the fruit and then moving on? Where in all of this did Thatch need to die? Now that we've seen how Blackbeard needed a dead Whitebeard in order to obtain his quake fruit, is it possible that Thatch also ate the fruit and thus Blackbeard was forced to kill him in order to claim the fruit's power for himself.

I also wonder whether his "logia" intangibility is actually due to the fruit, or due to how he claimed it? If he has room for two devil fruits, especially if he's not the original owner of either, then perhaps the intangibility is that his body is unable to fully assimilate with only one fruit?

Just some thoughts on Thatch and the 2 DF's. We actually may never find out anymore about Thatch being killed by Blackbeard in the end. It might just continue as an assumed fact that Blackbeard best Thatch in combat and stole the uneaten Yami Yami no Mi from him with no further light ever shed on the event or battle.

 

[Fox666]

Yes, Blackbeard is not the most gentle guy, but we know he still had respect for Whitebeard and Ace. It's hard to believe that he would kill the commander for nothing.

 

[WinningDays]

If all Teach needed to do was "steal" the fruit from Thatch, would it not be as simple as overpowering him, or even just sneaking by him, nicking the fruit and then moving on? Where in all of this did Thatch need to die? Now that we've seen how Blackbeard needed a dead Whitebeard in order to obtain his quake fruit, is it possible that Thatch also ate the fruit and thus Blackbeard was forced to kill him in order to claim the fruit's power for himself.

Just some thoughts on Thatch and the 2 DF's. We actually may never find out anymore about Thatch being killed by Blackbeard in the end. It might just continue as an assumed fact that Blackbeard best Thatch in combat and stole the uneaten Yami Yami no Mi from him with no further light ever shed on the event or battle.

I wondered why BB killed Tatch... and when he got the Gura Gura power he hid himself away which doesn't make much sense if he just used the Yami Yami power, so it would make sense that he has some other ability which allows him to take devil fruit powers... But it's also strange that he has a power like that in the first place, no one else has it or has ever heard of it, and it makes BB seem more powerful than necessary...

I think BB might tell the secret himself one day since he seems to like boasting about his powers... but he's not really in that kind of situation at the moment and the WB pirates are not in a position to ask either... well, it might come up in an SBS....

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I also think that the Yami Yami fruit can't be that powerful because it failed at least once before... If BB already knew what it looked like and it's powers then that means it was on the Devil Fruit Encyclopedia, which probably means someone else had it and died... So it is beatable... of course, the previous owner might've of died from old age or drowning but who knows... There should be some kind of fatal weakness though... but BB seems really confident in it so maybe he can overcome it or maybe he really thinks he's invincible....

 

[omgeggman]

I think Zoro would be more effective aginst BB.

Like BB said he can absorb fire. But once Zoro slashes him he can't "absorb" the slash.

 

[St Michael]

Actually , according to him , he can.

http://www.onemanga.com/One_Piece/441/11/

 

[Lord Rayleigh]

I think he did not mean slash like a distant attack like Mihawks' again Whitebeard. I bet he meant a cutting attack like Whitebeard's on Blackbeard.

 

[Razh]

Actually , according to him , he can.

http://www.onemanga.com/One_Piece/441/11/

How bout reading the panel after that one in which he continues to explain how he can't let the attacks pass through him like other logias can. He takes damage like anyone else, maybe even more. No dodging slashes for Blackbeard.

As for Thatch matter, I don't think Blackbeard had waited for him to eat the fruit first. He probably went after the fruit pretty soon after he spotted it.
I don't even think that Blacbkeard bested Thatch in a battle or something like that. They were on Moby Dick. The battle between two members would draw attention, and I doubt it that Blackbeard could have escaped after that.
I don't know what's so weird about Blackbeard killing Thatch. It's not for "no reason". He has been planning shit for 2 decades at the least. He wasn't going to risk being caught after getting his hands on the fruit that he's been searching for for 20 years.
A dead Thatch is a Thatch that can't warn anyone about Blackbeard's betrayal. He probably hid his body so he can get away far enough before anyone realizes what had occurred,

 

[kangclaw]

Yeah that make sense, he joined WB's crew for a specific reason.

 

[anaskr]

i wanted to know is Blackbeard's ability of making a DF to loose his abilities the same when haki is used to fight against a logia???!!

Look at rayleigh when he used his haki kizaru was just a normal person and lost his power!!! if you tell me that he could not run away because even rayleigh has some power but as far as i know there is nothing faster than light so kizaru could have just run away!! i wouldn buy that because i feel haki makes a logia impossible to use his DF!!

 

[Schabrak]

As Kizaru fought with his light sword, no, he was able to use his powers, even when fighting Rayleight.

 

[Omnion_1990]

i wanted to know is Blackbeard's ability of making a DF to loose his abilities the same when haki is used to fight against a logia???!!

Look at rayleigh when he used his haki kizaru was just a normal person and lost his power!!! if you tell me that he could not run away because even rayleigh has some power but as far as i know there is nothing faster than light so kizaru could have just run away!! i wouldn buy that because i feel haki makes a logia impossible to use his DF!!

No, haki is "ambition". i will "stop" someone, i will "cut them". As rayleigh did. I think the emperor haki is the final ultimate form of haki. Haki doesnt remove the other ability of the df user, as shown by rayleigh vs kizaru, is gives the person the "ambition" to do SOMETHING to the df user, bypassing their df abilties. bypassing something is NOT the same as removing it, which is what blackbeards ability does.

http://www.onemanga.com/One_Piece/512/08/

http://www.onemanga.com/One_Piece/544/06/

^if he had the quake quake fruit then and smashed it into luffy he wouldve died.

however haki will let you slice/ cut a logia but if the user also uses his own ambition then you wont cut him but they wont do sheet to you.
prime example of this are whitebeard hitting kizaru and aoikiji.

examples of haki negation are when marco and vista "cut" akainu, akainu didnt get damaged BUT vistas swords never got melted away by his molten abilities, like others did.

http://www.onemanga.com/One_Piece/574/07/

the only SOLID proof i have that haki is used in this way is akainu mentioning "Haki users" and when shanks stopped akainu coby did the bubble thing/ response to an overwhelming haki.

Now the scary thing about blackbeard ability is it COMPLETELY removes someone ability therefore even if they use haki you can still slice the f*** out of them. this is a HAX ability, now i think when whitebeard mashed an earthquake in akainus face akainu used haki to keep his head in "molten" form not to get hit by whitebeards haki, but whitebeards being superior it didnt damage but was buffered.

Now imagine taking away the logia aspect of akainu and getting smashed in the head with an earthquake... akainu only survived because his head was made out of magma. his brain/ skull wont survive a quake.

blackbeard has become god, he doesnt need haki. i think thats the reason he searched for this. blackbeard, does not have haki therefore he found the turn around - removing df users abilities then the power to smash them whilst they are "Human".

Im interested about what marco said about his body being "unusual". Could he be a cyborg? the biggest part of blackbeard strength is his cunningness though.

 

[Lord Rayleigh]

Haki does not prevent people from using their DF powers.

Remember when Rayleigh save Zoro, light is spreading everywhere after Kizaru was kicked.
When Shanks save Coby, he managed to block Akainu's MAGMA arm.
When Garp holds Luffy and injures him, Luffy is still stretching.
And there is also when Marco and Vista cut Akainu with Haki, Akainu still uses his magma powers.

Actually, Haki is something that somehow manages SOMETIMES to injure DF users.

 

[anaskr]

F*** man how is it possible for someone to kill blackbeard??

i guess he has the power to take one more DF sooner or later he will be doing that !! and as u said about the marco thing, what is blackbeard actually that stupid idiot!!

hmmmm.... i bet ODA is going to give his favorite a slow death where he wont be able to control himself once he acquires the new DF!! Zehahahahaha