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I always just thought that the power of the Yami Yami fruit of blackbeard allows him to send things to a parallel dimension. As such he can retrieve things from the same dimension. That whole line regards zoro luffy and nami where she goes thats the guy from inside and zoro and luffy say its not him? I think that indicates that they switch dimensions. So there are two different identical blackbeards, one with whitebeards power the other with blackbeards power. Its also when people say Teach or should I say blackbeard, indicates to me that they may know there are two blackbeards, one called teach the other blackbeard. dont know, but it seems plausible...right???
 

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two blackbeards doesn't make any sense to me. especially because blackbeard is shown using both the yami yami no mi and the gura gura no mi at the same time.
 

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I think they meant he was schizophrenic, since his personality does seem to change dramatically from time to time. Such as when he was acting rather silly in the bar when he first met Luffy, then he started acting like the 'normal' Blackbeard, but when he is in combat his brow furrows and his eyes darken, making him seem evil and maniacal. Of course, there are many characters that have varied personalities, so its a stretch to say that just because Teach has been commented by both Zoro and Luffy as a 'they' that would make him schizophrenic, since many characters act like that... sorta.

I'm wondering how Blackbeard would handle a true Mano-e-Mano fight against Luffy, since Luffy (along with most everyone) is infinitely faster than him, and much more Agile. Hell without his ability to drag people in his grasp, I'd say he'd be pretty much next to hopeless in a fight with a fast opponent like Luffy. It's tough to imagine since we haven't seen what he is really capable of, and what his physical prowess extends to, since he's only shown impossible feats of endurance, and... well I wouldn't say strength, since he hasn't shown anything amazing outside of smacking Ace around (since Ace isn't that big of a dude).
 

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I have already said imo, his the strongest character known yet so far, but a lot people didn't agree, so i said then if i was to consider the character whose closes to the strongest now would be BB imo.

He now has two of the most dangerous DF's.

Yami Yami No Mi = Hax
Quake Power = strongest

What make's BB overly not impressive at first, is that his too over confident, and always understimate his opponent's for some reason.

if he could actually respect and not understimate his opponents, then am sure most ppl will see exactly how good he is.

P.S

His the strongest imo, but it doesn;t mean his invincible, or can't be beating.
 

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I also think he's the strongest out there.

He's got two of the most dangerous powers and he's got a lot of combat experience. Don't forget that he's also the one who gave Shanks that scar on his face.

His powers are set up so that Luffy has a chance against him. He himself has to absorb all attacks while at the same time disabling any fruit power used against him. So any fight will turn out as a raw power vs raw power slug fest. Luffy always has a chance in that sort of battle.
 

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His powers are set up so that Luffy has a chance against him. He himself has to absorb all attacks while at the same time disabling any fruit power used against him. So any fight will turn out as a raw power vs raw power slug fest. Luffy always has a chance in that sort of battle.

Have you forgot the Gura power ?

If he holds Luffy with his (let's say) left hand (as he did in ID) and quakes him with his right , Luffy is done for.

Even without touching him , I doubt a rubber body would help Luffy against a quake.
 

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If its just a quake, then yes, luffy has a chance for sure. The rubber will just bend, not break. But if he holds him with the darkness power and then hits him with a quake. Then I agree, Luffy wouldn't make it.
 

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Well if the Quakes are backed up with Haki, I don't think that Luffy can withstand that, but strictly speaking; The quake attacks are basically just vibrations, Luffy will just wiggle and make noise, haha :P
 

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Blackbeard at this point I would have to say is definitely rising to the top. I wouldn't say he's the most powerful man in the world, but he has a lot under his belt to prove his strength.

Let's start with the fact that he was one of the Whitebeard pirates for decades. He was at the earliest shown in Chapter 0, when Shiki came aboard the ship speaking of his plan to Whitebeard. Which means he's had two decades to learn from Whitebeard and train himself physically. If he was planning things from that far back, it would only make sense that he was working out most of the other parts of his plan. 20 years is a lot of time to formulate a plan, especially with the freedom granted by being a Whitebeard Pirate. He was nominated to be the 2nd Division Commander, which he gave to Ace to stay as low as possible. This already is evidence of his battle prowess. During this time he had fought with a Yonkou, Shanks, and was able to give him 3 deep scars; not just physically, but mentally. Then at the end of his run as a member of the Whitebeard Pirates was able to battle with Thatch, Fourth Division Commander of the Whitebeard Pirates and kill him with no lasting scars of his own. (Note: This was before he had the power of the Devil Fruit mind you)

After he had left, Whitebeard himself was against having people go after Teach because he felt very uneasy about the situation. When Whitebeard himself doesn't feel strongly about something to the point of worry that is a terrible omen. Two Yonkou fear his intentions and the outcome of what he's going to do, if that isn't enough of a sign I don't know what is. He was able to demolish all of Drum Kingdom to the point of causing the Governing forces to leave entirely. He was also looking for a way to get into the Shichibukai, which meant he was confident in his abilities enough to hunt high profile criminals and subdue them.

Most notably is the application of his devil fruit and his defeat of Ace, which makes two Commanders of the Strongest Man in the World's fleet he defeated. Ace was a very big pirate across the seas and fought with many of the series strongest characters, causing a very big commotion throughout the World Government. He was also going to be one of the Shichibukai at a very young age, probably the youngest in the series, shortly after setting out to sea. Defeating him was nothing short of incredible in terms of strength.

The way he is now with both the powers of the Yami Yami no Mi and Gura Gura no Mi, his power is absolutely nothing to laugh over. Is he the strongest person in the series? I wouldn't necessarily say that, but he's up there. With time he'll definitely be one of them, which has been stated at least once during the series.
 

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I dont know if it was said already but for me its very obvious how BB could have 2 DFs.
Think about it - the Yami Yami no Mi can turn off any other DFs.
Therefore the fruit powers do not mix in his body or cells (as you want) which explains why he does not explode.
The Yami Yami no Mi creates a border between the two powers its the easiest explanation and it would explain wh it just possible for Blackbeard
 

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I dont know if it was said already but for me its very obvious how BB could have 2 DFs.
Think about it - the Yami Yami no Mi can turn off any other DFs.
Therefore the fruit powers do not mix in his body or cells (as you want) which explains why he does not explode.
The Yami Yami no Mi creates a border between the two powers its the easiest explanation and it would explain wh it just possible for Blackbeard
if he could have taken Buggy's DF then he is invincible to mihawk :p

We will see a Gomu Gomu prowness:D
 

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Hi I haven't read through the whole thread so I don't know if anyone else has posted this or if anyone else came up with this theory but I was rereading One Piece and i found something interesting http://www.mymangaspot.com/series/One_Piece/225/16

Here Luffy and Zoro talk about BB as being more than one person......maybe it's two people trapped in one body.......or maybe he ate a fruit that allowed him to duplicate himself 3 times and then combine all the triplets into one body.......therefore he would be a three fruit user and that would kinda explain how he is able to use two fruits......It might also explain how come he can take so much damage.

So what do you guys think??

Edit: Never mind me I decided to read16th page......the theory has already been explored.....o btw how do you think Luffy and Zoro knew that he was more than one person??
 
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I have already said imo, his the strongest character known yet so far, but a lot people didn't agree, so i said then if i was to consider the character whose closes to the strongest now would be BB imo.

He now has two of the most dangerous DF's.

Yami Yami No Mi = Hax
Quake Power = strongest

What make's BB overly not impressive at first, is that his too over confident, and always understimate his opponent's for some reason.

if he could actually respect and not understimate his opponents, then am sure most ppl will see exactly how good he is.

P.S

His the strongest imo, but it doesn;t mean his invincible, or can't be beating.
Marshal D. Teach is one of my favorite characters in One Piece, and I believe that he will end up as Luffy's final rival for the throne. However, while I think that he'll be the strongest by the time Luffy fight him, I think that Blackbeard as the Dark-Luffy, evolve during One Piece and become stronger as the One Piece progress, much like Luffy himself (except that Blackbeard started One Piece at an higher tier).

Most villains fighting strength is stagnant in shounen (Sasuke is a notable exception) but Blackbeard evolving, making his own darker journey to become Pirate King, in contrast to Luffy's own path.

That being said, if I were to pin Blackbeard's current fighting strength I'd say he is weaker than the Yonkou's and Admiral's (but able to give them a run for their money as Marco/Jozu did), roughly at the same level as Marco.
 

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Blackbeard is a monster......he has 2 of the strongest fruit powers and I like the way his character is being developed. He is growing just as luffy is. When he learns how to control both fruits effortlessly, then he will the strongest. Luffy has had his fruit for 10 years.....BB hasn't had his fruit but for about 3 years, so he still has a lot of growing 2 do. I'm sure BB will make waves during the timeskip
 

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About 3 years? Hmm, this reminds me about something the Blackbeard timeline...

During Ace's flashback, he is proud in showing Luffy's bounty (first one if I am not wrong) to Whitebeard. And as soon as he knew that Thatch got killed, he come after Blackbeard.

Unless Ace come back from Grand Line to New World to visit Whitebeard (which let's assume, is a waste of time since his mission was to chase Blackbeard) that means Blackbeard journey started after Luffy entered the Grand Line, and so he gathered his crewmates in that little time.
 

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If its just a quake, then yes, luffy has a chance for sure. The rubber will just bend, not break. But if he holds him with the darkness power and then hits him with a quake. Then I agree, Luffy wouldn't make it.
Well, Aikanu take 1 from Whitebeard and still alive. BB is really a super strong character but he only have great attack, not great defense. And again...he is not doubt , a monster.
 

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BB needs to experiment more and battle wise to defeat any yonkou

but no doubt his offensive are the strongest but that is not enough.. even he knows that well.
 

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We know that Blackbeard has two DF and nobody knows how it's possible that he didn't die from this. I was rereading Jaya and the chapter when Luffy and BB met (ch225). Right after meeting him Zoro and Luffy have a strange conversation - they refer to BB not as 'he' but as 'they'. Maybe he has a split personality? That would mean he has 'two souls'. Maybe that's the way to carry two devil fruits?
 

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We know that Blackbeard has two DF and nobody knows how it's possible that he didn't die from this. I was rereading Jaya and the chapter when Luffy and BB met (ch225). Right after meeting him Zoro and Luffy have a strange conversation - they refer to BB not as 'he' but as 'they'. Maybe he has a split personality? That would mean he has 'two souls'. Maybe that's the way to carry two devil fruits?
Doubt it, the "they" means "the crew". Zoro & Luffy met doc q & burgess before meeting BB.
 

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Doubt it, the "they" means "the crew". Zoro & Luffy met doc q & burgess before meeting BB.
I was thinking more along the lines of two people in one body.My theory is that blackbeard was a twin or a triplet that absorbs the other one or two before he was born. Other wise i think he has eaten someone to gain another soul or something. Bottom line is that he has more than one soul.

i call it my theory but i can't remember whether i thought it up or i read it somewhere. both could be true lol.
 
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