Question Can Urek beat Admins?

[V_TheHiddenAxis]

Headon one of the most prominent administrator admitted urek is not someone who should enter the tower. This shows that urek could be a danger to the tower itself.

--In the recent chapter mago only with small fraction of urek's light was able to push eduan who is second strongest among family head to high-extreme diff fight. While eduan didn't have his "main" spear nonetheless it shows how even a very small fraction of urek's power is enough to potentially beat a high level family head.

--Urek is also is stated as strongest inside the tower multiple times --

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[arrowofsky]

We need to see how much light power Urek can let it out in a go, the flux or impulse you may call. If it is similar to Mago but he can sustain much longer, it won't kill an admin.
Let's say, the last of Mago we saw had x light output. We know that there are 3 crystals to break still and stuff. So not even her prime. Urek will of course has a better prime. But how all three cases I defined compare, I don't know.

Scenario A: Urek is a cut above prime Mago light output, ~3x. == No admin killing.
Scenario B: Urek is considerably better in light output, ~10x == Maybe.
Scenario C: No limit, Urek can let it out all, == Tower destruction danger.

Maybe Headon sensed C but unlikely. Headon probably considered not letting him climbing because he disrupts regular balance. Nevertheless, we did not see any antagonistic, matter-antimatter relation between light and shinsoo, though they are reacting each other. Hence, it is on sheer power and amount you can wield at a given time. There is a room for Maybe, but i am more on no admin killing. Not that he is weaker, he is in deplacement. Without more authority on shinsoo control, you can't tire an admin out.

 

[kkck]

I think we need to consider how matchups against different shining ones could play out. Hope reversal is mago's technique which has the implication other shining ones might do different stuff. Hope reversal might be broken against some family heads but not others (eduan waffled a fair bit). Or the diamond barrier could be dealt with by other great warriors in different ways. Like Hon simply causing slashes to spontaneously appear within the barrier or zahard using his golden fist to blend mago with the shinsoo within the barrier.

 

[Shinwonryu]

Headon one of the most prominent administrator admitted urek is not someone who should enter the tower. This shows that urek could be a danger to the tower itself.

--In the recent chapter mago only with small fraction of urek's light was able to push eduan who is second strongest among family head to high-extreme diff fight. While eduan didn't have his "main" spear nonetheless it shows how even a very small fraction of urek's power is enough to potentially beat a high level family head.

--Urek is also is stated as strongest inside the tower multiple times --

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Thoughts?

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No. Mago was at 100% strength. Urek's light activated that peak status, but she ran out because there wasn't enough energy. SIU was very clear on that.

Urek needed Baam's help to defeat a very tiny percentage (lol) of a "dead" Admin. Arguably, max upscale, you can say he's relative to a very tiny percentage of a dead Admin.

 

[NAMELESS]

Headon one of the most prominent administrator admitted urek is not someone who should enter the tower. This shows that urek could be a danger to the tower itself.

--In the recent chapter mago only with small fraction of urek's light was able to push eduan who is second strongest among family head to high-extreme diff fight. While eduan didn't have his "main" spear nonetheless it shows how even a very small fraction of urek's power is enough to potentially beat a high level family head.

--Urek is also is stated as strongest inside the tower multiple times --

Spoiler

Thoughts?

@maverickframe_19 @arrowofsky @Ignorant @Shinwonryu @Lonatian @Kibou @Demonspeed @Ray Barracuda @Vali x lucifer @SHSL_ZETSUBOU @thelema @Epic_Rider @kkck @Sky is blue @Kenneth Latorre @Big-Bird @Strange @Blooming_Lotus @PlotArmouredTitan @undefined @Suiseiken etc

I think current Urek can't because he is nerfed.

 

[25thBaam_viole]

Urek Can't but our Baam will as he will devour the entire tower.

 

[Demonspeed]

All Irregulars are people "who shouldn't enter". This doesn't hype him more than anything. Urek's birth and his Light are what make him stand out.

He needs much better feats for me to believe that he can defeat an Admin. We need to know more about his PoL, how strong he was at his peak.

I think we need to consider how matchups against different shining ones could play out. Hope reversal is mago's technique which has the implication other shining ones might do different stuff. Hope reversal might be broken against some family heads but not others (eduan waffled a fair bit). Or the diamond barrier could be dealt with by other great warriors in different ways. Like Hon simply causing slashes to spontaneously appear within the barrier or zahard using his golden fist to blend mago with the shinsoo within the barrier.

Reversal is broken in general. The diamond barrier would be easily dealt with by Traumerei's Disconnection attacks. I don't see how he can win though because Reversal would affect all his moves.

 

[kkck]

Reversal is broken in general. The diamond barrier would be easily dealt with by Traumerei's Disconnection attacks. I don't see how he can win though because Reversal would affect all his moves.

Of course its broken but there's other broken bs around. I think the issue with disconnect is that it severs shinsoo but magos techniques are not related to shinsoo at all. So it's a coin flip between it working and.. just not. The absolute best case scenario for traumerei is hope reversal itself being severed of course. But we can't know how any of this plays out.

I also wonder if perhaps hope reversal ends up throwing stuff back at traumereis anima. Which wouldn't be particularly problematic for him.

 

[arrowofsky]

Folks please, Mago is canonically known as sub-prime, as we like talked uncountable times on three small crystals to be broken with some ritual and shit. SIU like to make things ambiguous and I honestly believe with limited Urek light Eduan might have still won against her, but this is belief. We can't be too certain about prime Mago power.

Reversal is broken in general. The diamond barrier would be easily dealt with by Traumerei's Disconnection attacks. I don't see how he can win though because Reversal would affect all his moves.

Traum has some so mindless animals that would just attack like Blue Marlin. Moreover, I don't know if a 3D connection would leave something to reverse.

You made me hype that animal intercoursing prick

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I also wonder if perhaps hope reversal ends up throwing stuff back at traumereis anima. Which wouldn't be particularly problematic for him.

It will definitely be like that, I guess both of them will sit in fetal position and reversal will only work on animals, otherwise Maschenny's heart would be pierced when she was hoping Sleeman to pierce Asa's. In fact, even Blue Marlin gets away with reversal so it does not seem to me it is so hard to counter.

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Of course its broken but there's other broken bs around. I think the issue with disconnect is that it severs shinsoo but magos techniques are not related to shinsoo at all. So it's a coin flip between it working and.. just not.

Gustang's arm still functioned like it is connected with Gustang even after getting severed, so it is less than Kamui, and most probably won't severe hope reversal.

 

[V_TheHiddenAxis]

All Irregulars are people "who shouldn't enter". This doesn't hype him more than anything. Urek's birth and his Light are what make him stand out.

Iirc headon never said anything like that when baam entered though. Great warriors were also nowhere close to urek when they entered as well.

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No. Mago was at 100% strength. Urek's light activated that peak status, but she ran out because there wasn't enough energy. SIU was very clear on that.

Urek needed Baam's help to defeat a very tiny percentage (lol) of a "dead" Admin. Arguably, max upscale, you can say he's relative to a very tiny percentage of a dead Admin.

That is not how it works. How mago can be at 100% when the rest of the flowers are not broken and it is said verbatim she will only reach her prime once all of them are broken?

Second mago used a very small fraction of light powers which she got from urek. It was a small park of light powers. Great warriors have no chance against light powers at their fullest extent.

 

[Demonspeed]

Folks please, Mago is canonically known as sub-prime, as we like talked uncountable times on three small crystals to be broken with some ritual and shit. SIU like to make things ambiguous and I honestly believe with limited Urek light Eduan might have still won against her, but this is belief. We can't be too certain about prime Mago power.



Traum has some so mindless animals that would just attack like Blue Marlin. Moreover, I don't know if a 3D connection would leave something to reverse.

You made me hype that animal intercoursing prick

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It will definitely be like that, I guess both of them will sit in fetal position and reversal will only work on animals, otherwise Maschenny's heart would be pierced when she was hoping Sleeman to pierce Asa's. In fact, even Blue Marlin gets away with reversal so it does not seem to me it is so hard to counter.

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Gustang's arm still functioned like it is connected with Gustang even after getting severed, so it is less than Kamui, and most probably won't severe hope reversal.

Mago has shown that she can reverse an attack before and after it hits her.

The thing with Traumerei, which is a reason why he was considered disappointing as an Anima by many is that he is more quantity than quality. And at FH level his Shinheuhs still get crushed when he isn't using Valhalla. Who still isn't that big of a deal

Once he absorbs them all, he has only the Evil Spirit, which just absorbs people's souls and he has his Disconnection spam, the true menace. It's not going to work against Reversal because it has intent behind it.

Iirc headon never said anything like that when baam entered though. Great warriors were also nowhere close to urek when they entered as well.

He didn't say anything about Baam, but he tried to kill him. Headon in Baam's era clearly has an agenda. Irregulars also became infamous because of Enryu, Phanta and Urek. Still, no Irregular would be welcomed by Headon since they aren't chosen by him.

Urek even in Chapter 1 on the spin-off isn't at his peak. His peak was when the other Shinies stole his PoL. He lost even more power after entering, then he lose some of it again because of Neo. His peak is simply unknown. I am willing to believe that he could defeat an Admin at his peak, but there are no feats.

 

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Headon one of the most prominent administrator admitted urek is not someone who should enter the tower. This shows that urek could be a danger to the tower itself.

--In the recent chapter mago only with small fraction of urek's light was able to push eduan who is second strongest among family head to high-extreme diff fight. While eduan didn't have his "main" spear nonetheless it shows how even a very small fraction of urek's power is enough to potentially beat a high level family head.

--Urek is also is stated as strongest inside the tower multiple times --

Spoiler

Thoughts?

@maverickframe_19 @arrowofsky @Ignorant @Shinwonryu @Lonatian @Kibou @Demonspeed @Ray Barracuda @Vali x lucifer @SHSL_ZETSUBOU @thelema @Epic_Rider @kkck @Sky is blue @Kenneth Latorre @Big-Bird @Strange @Blooming_Lotus @PlotArmouredTitan @undefined @Suiseiken etc

Full power Urek is above the admins imo but that doesn’t mean he’s Enryu level. Imagine if shinsoo is not even Enryu’s main power just like it’s not for Urek. Like Jesus, this man would be insanely broken(he already is but even more so). I can’t put Urek on Enryu’s level just yet.

 

[V_TheHiddenAxis]

Full power Urek is above the admins imo but that doesn’t mean he’s Enryu level. Imagine if shinsoo is not even Enryu’s main power just like it’s not for Urek. Like Jesus, this man would be insanely broken(he already is but even more so). I can’t put Urek on Enryu’s level just yet.

IIRC didn't enryu killed the admin with shinsoo powers? It is pretty interesting as unlike urek or shinning ones enryu already knew about shinsoo manipulation that too at very high level. It is possible outside god is creator of the tower like darkness was created of phantaminium and enryu is creation of outside god just like phanta was of darkness.

 

[undefined]

IIRC didn't enryu killed the admin with shinsoo powers? It is pretty interesting as unlike urek or shinning ones enryu already knew about shinsoo manipulation that too at very high level. It is possible outside god is creator of the tower like darkness was created of phantaminium and enryu is creation of outside god just like phanta was of darkness.

Enryu killed the admin with shinsoo, but I’m just trying to give a new perspective. Urek with shinsoo is at best Jahad level however Enryu with shinsoo is above the admins. So I couldn’t fathom how strong Enryu would be if shinsoo was just his secondary power source like it is to Urek.

 

[V_TheHiddenAxis]

Enryu killed the admin with shinsoo, but I’m just trying to give a new perspective. Urek with shinsoo is at best Jahad level however Enryu with shinsoo is above the admins. So I couldn’t fathom how strong Enryu would be if shinsoo was just his secondary power source like it is to Urek.

Personally I think urek would shinsoo powers is stronger than zahard. For enryu anything is possible sure. Enryu can be urek of his world the strongest of his race. Imo baam , enryu and urek will all converge post zahard defeat to climb the tower past 134th floor.

 

[undefined]

Personally I think urek would shinsoo powers is stronger than zahard. For enryu anything is possible sure. Enryu can be urek of his world the strongest of his race. Imo baam , enryu and urek will all converge post zahard defeat to climb the tower past 134th floor.

Shinsoo is Jahad’s forte so it would be sad as hell if a shinsoo Urek who has no artifacts, weaponry, etc is stronger than Jahad lol. Jahad is not a favorite of mine or anything like that but SIU has to at least give him that ngl. Bam, Urek, and maybe Enryu should all be comparable EOS imo.

 

[AbledCat]

Urek with light is stronger than enryu, comfortably so. His nemesis is Phantaminum and if you have trouble believing Urek will ever beat him then I encourage you to read more battle shounen.

 

[arrowofsky]

Let me be a Demon for a while.

Urek with light is stronger than enryu, comfortably so. His nemesis is Phantaminum and if you have trouble believing Urek will ever beat him then I encourage you to read more battle shounen.

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[Demonspeed]

Let me be a Demon for a while.



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TBH if someone believes that Urek with full PoL is much stronger than Enryu, I can't say I find the idea too ridiculous considering Urek's ceiling(I don't think it's likely though). With Shinsoo however? No way. What's certain is that he would still get destroyed by Phanta. Even Urek, all the FHs, Shinies and Enryu together are flees compared to him.

Urek needs feats putting him at an Admin level first. One of the reasons I am even more curious to see Mago at Full Power is because we know that Urek was stronger than her. So, it should give us a clearer idea of his strength.

 

[arrowofsky]

TBH if someone believes that Urek with full PoL is much stronger than Enryu, I can't say I find the idea too ridiculous considering Urek's ceiling(I don't think it's likely though). With Shinsoo however? No way. What's certain is that he would still get destroyed by Phanta. Even Urek, all the FHs, Shinies and Enryu together are flees compared to him.

Urek needs feats putting him at an Admin level first. One of the reasons I am even more curious to see Mago at Full Power is because we know that Urek was stronger than her. So, it should give us a clearer idea of his strength.

We had no idea about PoL before the spinoff, so it feels weird to comment on Enryu comfortably imo. He might also has something else than shinsoo.
What is actually concerning for me is by now Eduan clearly learnt PoL, Urek, and first-hand experienced it, but ranking bureau still puts Urek under Enryu. Urek is obviously more active, and PoL is seen by alive people even by now. If I am to make a guess, I would be more inclined towards Enryu than Urek, and of course not comfortably, like 60 % chance.