Question Can Urek beat Admins?

[arrowofsky]

Who says Enryu has power outside shinsu? Bam has the power of the outside god enter him, does he use something apart from shinsu? No. Urek is only teased with fighting admins but doesn't do so, why? Answer is simple, he is stronger than them and SIU won't let him fight one to preserve the hype for Jahad, who SIU already confirmed is weaker than admins, he has never done so for Urek.

Being from outside but has only shinsoo power is actually not making much sense when you think about it, since there is no shinsoo outside to begin with. Irregulars have other indirect powers, and they manipulate shinsoo as shinsoo is everywhere, not because of that is the only power they can have.
The rest of what you said is up in the air. The same SIU also has Enryu certainly above Urek, while that could have had the same rank like Adori - Enne rank or have higher rank like Phantaminium without admin killing if things were like you said, but I don't overinterpret things.

 

[Demonspeed]

Who says Enryu has power outside shinsu? Bam has the power of the outside god enter him, does he use something apart from shinsu? No. Urek is only teased with fighting admins but doesn't do so, why? Answer is simple, he is stronger than them and SIU won't let him fight one to preserve the hype for Jahad, who SIU already confirmed is weaker than admins, he has never done so for Urek.

Considering the fact that he entered and killed an Admin, he should have powers outside. He gave new powers to certain people who looked at him too.

Urek being stronger than an Admin is up in the air but I believe he doesn't fight them because a fight against them would ruin the floor. That's why it was the perfect opportunity on the FoD. They had to kill a resurrected Admin on a ruined floor where people had pseudo immortality.

 

[maverickframe_19]

One bet I am very confident in making right now is that the Outside God is Darkness itself, and Phanta is not the OG. Enryu serves darkness, and Arlene worships darkness because she is a witch who casts spells. She is the MCU's equivalent of Agatha.

@arrowofsky I also believe in the Floor 1 murals, and I doubt SIU will retcon them because they are already in the webtoon.

 

[Shadowlord123]

Honestly, he could have a chance. The Admin taking away the Shinsu shouldn't affect his strength, since his main power is something else entirely. Though I'm curious about how he breathes if the Admin just snuffles away every speck of Shinsu. There's no air like the outside. He might be able to breathe with his Light? He didn't really seem to be affected by Joe sucking away all the Shinsu in the area at the FoD IIRC.

Anyways, even a fraction of his F2 self's light was already strong enough to give Eduan serious trouble. Of course, Eduan didn't have his main spear, but Mago also didn't get her most optimal gem rolls. As things stand, Mago was solidly FH tier while that fraction lasted.

Urek also felt like he was gradually recovering his strength. After god knows how many years of having completed the climb, he should have a lot more light than he used to have at Floor 2. There's little doubt that he should be much stronger than the FHs, but since we don't know how big the gap between Admins and Great Warriors is, we can't really answer this question for certain.

At any rate, depending on how much Light he's recovered, I wouldn't be shocked if he can challenge and perhaps even beat an Admin. He certainly didn't chicken out in front of one, even on floor 2. He's meant to be someone who can fight freaking Phantaminum of all people, who SIU confirmed to be an Axis recently.

 

[undefined]

One bet I am very confident in making right now is that the Outside God is Darkness itself, and Phanta is not the OG. Enryu serves darkness, and Arlene worships darkness because she is a witch who casts spells. She is the MCU's equivalent of Agatha.

@arrowofsky I also believe in the Floor 1 murals, and I doubt SIU will retcon them because they are already in the webtoon.

Want to make this bet with me also? I don’t think the OG is darkness or phanta.

 

[maverickframe_19]

Want to make this bet with me also? I don’t think the OG is darkness or phanta.

Sure! You're on!

 

[25thBaam_viole]

Who says Enryu has power outside shinsu? Bam has the power of the outside god enter him, does he use something apart from shinsu? No. Urek is only teased with fighting admins but doesn't do so, why? Answer is simple, he is stronger than them and SIU won't let him fight one to preserve the hype for Jahad, who SIU already confirmed is weaker than admins, he has never done so for Urek.

I got it you are Urek fanatical follower that's why you didn't read ToG carefully, The power Of OG is so OP that he create Baam body in such a way not to devour anything including the shining ones power, Remember there's already sun inside Baam so don't even try to argue about it. Baam can devour anything even the spell is useless in front of him. Baam is the only one who can face Phantaminum. Urek can't even stop V last attack on Traum lol talking about fighting with admin. Just admit you are Urek fanatical fan.

 

[Jugo13]

It's becoming more believable in wake of new information presented by his spin-off. And thing of it is, I don't think the narrative hype given to him in the main story that's posted in this thread's original post was taking into account his light power. After all, the light power stuff has only been revealed in the spin-off and it just seems unlikely that the towerborns would know about, and perhaps most of the FHs don't know about it either.

In typical shonen-like fashion, if a character is on a certain level when suppressed by more than a small fraction, then they'll move up a level or two releasing their full power. So, if Urek w/ Shinsu skill alone is seen as the strongest man/human in the Tower or at least equal to Zahard, then it is definitely a possibility for him to be Administrator+level when using his light power either in combo with Shinsu or alone, considering an Administrator is like the next level up from Zahard to an unknown pedigree.

 

[VON]

Urek can’t beat Admins.

his PoL is heavily weakened for being inside the tower.

Urek probably has access to his true 100% only outside of the tower with actual Light.

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I am so mural driven on this that I think OG is different than Phanta. I am not sure about equivalency, but angel word is quite devalued with Mago angels
I get the point as Enryu similar to other shinies so Urek should be stronger, but I don't see anything to support or refute that.

Darkness -> Phanta -> Shinies

Phanta + Six Shiny can disobey Darkness

Can OG be darkness? More unlikely than it being Phanta. Hence, I can't put OG in this power scale, so I am also unable to decide on Enryu's power. I am just looking at ranks and Enryu has my benefit of doubt for an edge to be stronger. No other evidence/proof.

I don’t think OG is the darkness otherwise why wouldn’t there be shinsoo in their universe?

shinsoo should be the OG’s original power he created himself

 

[Lonatian]

Asking me is pointless.
The answer, of course, no.

 

[V_TheHiddenAxis]

I guess we got our answer. That was much faster than I thought lol.

 

[Strange]

I guess we got our answer. That was much faster than I thought lol.

way faster i guess

 

[Zestia]

It's explicitly stated Urek could reach Phanta level. The latest chapter just further strengthen the point. If only people were reading the series without their bias goggle on it would have made sense.

His potential to beat or rival him is still there. Even if you don't think current Urek in the main series is at that level. It's still wise to give him the benefits of the doubt.

 

[Shinwonryu]

Honestly, he could have a chance. The Admin taking away the Shinsu shouldn't affect his strength, since his main power is something else entirely. Though I'm curious about how he breathes if the Admin just snuffles away every speck of Shinsu. There's no air like the outside. He might be able to breathe with his Light? He didn't really seem to be affected by Joe sucking away all the Shinsu in the area at the FoD IIRC.

Anyways, even a fraction of his F2 self's light was already strong enough to give Eduan serious trouble. Of course, Eduan didn't have his main spear, but Mago also didn't get her most optimal gem rolls. As things stand, Mago was solidly FH tier while that fraction lasted.

Urek also felt like he was gradually recovering his strength. After god knows how many years of having completed the climb, he should have a lot more light than he used to have at Floor 2. There's little doubt that he should be much stronger than the FHs, but since we don't know how big the gap between Admins and Great Warriors is, we can't really answer this question for certain.

At any rate, depending on how much Light he's recovered, I wouldn't be shocked if he can challenge and perhaps even beat an Admin. He certainly didn't chicken out in front of one, even on floor 2. He's meant to be someone who can fight freaking Phantaminum of all people, who SIU confirmed to be an Axis recently.

Mago had already stolen Urek’s light and when she broke his gem she felt as if that was the full extent of the power she would get from stealing the entirety of his light. The only part where the fraction mattered is for how long she was powered up.

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It's explicitly stated Urek could reach Phanta level

You do not know what “explicitly” means. The closest implicit evidence that he could reach Phanta’s level is that he was hailed as a savior when he was born.

What is almost explicit, is that Urek is the strongest non-Axis in the universe but only one day, in his prime, outside the tower, etc.

 

[Zestia]

Mago had already stolen Urek’s light and when she broke his gem she felt as if that was the full extent of the power she would get from stealing the entirety of his light. The only part where the fraction mattered is for how long she was powered up.

And she was wrong infact she didn't even know she was tricked. We have multiple statements saying Urek still need to regain more power which is contradictory. Infinite light seems to refer more to unlimited uses than power output. More light should technically scale with more power.

 

[V_TheHiddenAxis]

It's explicitly stated Urek could reach Phanta level. The latest chapter just further strengthen the point. If only people were reading the series without their bias goggle on it would have made sense.

His potential to beat or rival him is still there. Even if you don't think current Urek in the main series is at that level. It's still wise to give him the benefits of the doubt.

It's not about potential anymore. Urek verbatim as he was before his light powers was stolen was comparable to phanta. Baam timeline urek definitely has full power of light with him imo.

 

[Zestia]

It's not about potential anymore. Urek verbatim as he was before his light powers was stolen was comparable to phanta. Baam timeline urek definitely has full power of light with him imo.

If current timeline Urek is Phanta level then it's underwhelming unless we are assuming he is massively holding back and hasn't used his light power, he definitely has gotten more proficient in using Shinsu though.