Can Zahard mid diff Traumerei?

[V_TheHiddenAxis]

--Now that we have seen both Gustang and Traumerei's abilities and power level , there is no doubt Gustang for now seem to be the stronger one albeit they are in same tier.

--Arie hon said that only Khun and Ha families can match them in power but given how more than half of the power comes from FH themselves and the fact that hon , eduan and yuri and ranked higher does suggest these 3 being stronger than other FHs.

--In flashback , it was suggested that Zahard and V are strongest in the group and zahard beat hon 10/10 times before entering the tower + he is bound to be strongest.

--So is there a possibility someone like Zahard can mid diff truam?

Thoughts?

 

[VON]

High-diff; take it or leave it

 

[Shadowlord123]

There's a possibility. I think he'd probably need to use his full power, but mid-diff is within the realm of reason IMO. With Hon, Eduan and Yurin probably being more akin to a High Diff based on how well Data Eduan could compete against Data Zahard.

Also, too soon to tell who's stronger between Gustang and Traumerei. The fight is not over, and I expect both to still have many other assets in reserve.

 

[Demonspeed]

No way Zahard can mid diff any of the FHs.

 

[King Dryst]

Right now even Gustang is making it look pretty easy. Until Traumerei puts on his big boy pants and steps up to show something, there's little reason to think Zahard wouldn't dog walk him.

 

[kkck]

No idea at all on what the difference in power is. Add to that, difference in skillset could matter more than a difference in power.

With both Traumerei and Gustang we have seen abilities that by all appearances are godlike. Traumerei has his all creature which uses his shinwonryu for some necromancy like technique and allows him to permanently have nigh endless shineuh at hand. He also keeps a number of living creatures for himself. At the top of these are the 3 sea dragons though at the moment only one of them, valhalla, seems truly threatening. Gustang frames this as basically fighting two family heads at the same time since traumerei can also fight alongside it.

gustang's primary ability which seems godlike would appear to be to manifests writing into reality. He does that from books in his seemingly comically cast library. He even used it to materialize prometheus into the world and his flame... I am inclined to thinking prometheus' flame is what gustang has been using all along. I am not sure that anything he has summoned so far is comparable in power to a family head like traumerie's valhalla but his power is still pretty damn godlike.

With that in mind... It's clear that SIU is going for the family heads abilities to not only be powerful but rather straight up godlike. Shinwonryu seems to have a role in making their abilities increase not only in power but rather... sort of make them beyond transcendental and comprehension to mortals. With that in mind we should assume zahard is at least as godly in his skillset as gustang or traumerei. Lore wise zahard was primarily framed as incredibly durable. And this absurd physical capacity is used alongside his attribute, a golden needle. A needle made out of a metal of absurd toughness. And the other trait that is associated with zahard is that he basically excels at all aspects of shinsoo combat. Now the way I see it there are two scenarios were SIU can take from here:

1.- SIU basically works on what we know and the same godliness we see all creature and gustang's library is applied to zahard's sheer physical might and golden needle (though he will probably use a real ignition weapon as well).

2.- Give or take the previous scenario but SIU adds something else to it as well to function in a comparable manner to gustang's or traumerie's shinwonryu.

In either scenario, welp, zahard is a fucking monster. Durability taken to godlike levels, comparable or higher than all creature or gustang's creation ability... The sheer scale of it is TBH completely arbitrary and left to SIU. It's entirely possible that gustang or traumerei can give a lot of trouble to zahard but it's also possible that zahard is so god damn indestructible he can beat the two of them at the same time with his bare fists.

 

[Azumungus]

Luslec (top 15) could not even estimate full power of Urek (top 4). Traumerei is below 17 and Zahard is top 3. Of Course rating is not always correct and may be based on old data, yet there is not reason to not to trust it.

 

[Jackjohsnon]

When we saw Data Zahard fight, he was dependent on his needle. Unless he got some fate hax power, i don't think he can mid diff any of them.

Also, I don't see how Gustang's showed he is stronger than Traumerei. Nothing he has showed has the capacity to kill Traumerei or even Valhala. (I'm not considering Obki here as we still don't know how It is going to affect Traumerei later).

 

[Demonspeed]

Luslec (top 15) could not even estimate full power of Urek (top 4). Traumerei is below 17 and Zahard is top 3. Of Course rating is not always correct and may be based on old data, yet there is not reason to not to trust it.

Are you implying that Luslec is superior to Traumerei? . Ranking isn't just about strength. Following that logic, Adori and Enne can defeat plenty of FHs.

No idea at all on what the difference in power is. Add to that, difference in skillset could matter more than a difference in power.

With both Traumerei and Gustang we have seen abilities that by all appearances are godlike. Traumerei has his all creature which uses his shinwonryu for some necromancy like technique and allows him to permanently have nigh endless shineuh at hand. He also keeps a number of living creatures for himself. At the top of these are the 3 sea dragons though at the moment only one of them, valhalla, seems truly threatening. Gustang frames this as basically fighting two family heads at the same time since traumerei can also fight alongside it.

gustang's primary ability which seems godlike would appear to be to manifests writing into reality. He does that from books in his seemingly comically cast library. He even used it to materialize prometheus into the world and his flame... I am inclined to thinking prometheus' flame is what gustang has been using all along. I am not sure that anything he has summoned so far is comparable in power to a family head like traumerie's valhalla but his power is still pretty damn godlike.

With that in mind... It's clear that SIU is going for the family heads abilities to not only be powerful but rather straight up godlike. Shinwonryu seems to have a role in making their abilities increase not only in power but rather... sort of make them beyond transcendental and comprehension to mortals. With that in mind we should assume zahard is at least as godly in his skillset as gustang or traumerei. Lore wise zahard was primarily framed as incredibly durable. And this absurd physical capacity is used alongside his attribute, a golden needle. A needle made out of a metal of absurd toughness. And the other trait that is associated with zahard is that he basically excels at all aspects of shinsoo combat. Now the way I see it there are two scenarios were SIU can take from here:

1.- SIU basically works on what we know and the same godliness we see all creature and gustang's library is applied to zahard's sheer physical might and golden needle (though he will probably use a real ignition weapon as well).

2.- Give or take the previous scenario but SIU adds something else to it as well to function in a comparable manner to gustang's or traumerie's shinwonryu.

In either scenario, welp, zahard is a fucking monster. Durability taken to godlike levels, comparable or higher than all creature or gustang's creation ability... The sheer scale of it is TBH completely arbitrary and left to SIU. It's entirely possible that gustang or traumerei can give a lot of trouble to zahard but it's also possible that zahard is so god damn indestructible he can beat the two of them at the same time with his bare fists.

Adult Zahard also developed a causality perception ability. We don't know how it works, but the three options he gives to his subjects are definitely linked.

All the FHs are treated like deities in-universe. Despite the critics about Traumerei, his power is still revered. Even Leviathan admitted it.

When we saw Data Zahard fight, he was dependent on his needle. Unless he got some fate hax power, i don't think he can mid diff any of them.

Also, I don't see how Gustang's showed he is stronger than Traumerei. Nothing he has showed has the capacity to kill Traumerei or even Valhala. (I'm not considering Obki here as we still don't know how It is going to affect Traumerei later).

I agree that Gustang hasn't shown he is stronger. But in many ways, he is dominating the fight right now.

 

[Jackjohsnon]

I agree that Gustang hasn't shown he is stronger. But in many ways, he is dominating the fight right now.

I don't think he dominating the fight right now as we haven't seen the effects of his library attack on Traumerei. For now, I can't see a big difference between Traumerei and Gustang, the only point highlighted I think is that Disconnection can kill Gustang, but I'm sure Gustang library will also show something that can kill Traumerei.

 

[Demonspeed]

I don't think he dominating the fight right now as we haven't seen the effects of his library attack on Traumerei. For now, I can't see a big difference between Traumerei and Gustang, the only point highlighted I think is that Disconnection can kill Gustang, but I'm sure Gustang library will also show something that can kill Traumerei.

It's not about the effects but how the fight is developing. That's why some are saying that Gustang seems stronger.

Traumerei "killed" him, but that was part of Gustang's plan to judge him. Gustang hit him plenty of times with his okbi and he has yet to reveal his Shiwonryu too(I don't think the Library is his Shinwonryu) while Traumerei revealed his Shinwonryu and strongest Shinheuh. Gustang is "relaxed" enough to notice Baam's arrival mid-fight while Traumerei hasn't noticed him.

I still think that Traumerei hasn't shown all his cards(like fusing his three WDs, his seven main Shinheuhs etc.) and I don't really believe that SIU is trying to show that Gustang is stronger, but to me he is clearly still a step ahead. Traumerei also wanted to finish him before he could even use his Library.

The only time where it seemed he was truly hard pressed was before he got beheaded, but then it was revealed that Gustang bet on this.

 

[Lonatian]

Except for Phanta and Enryu, it seemed that the strong people at the top of the tower were all masters of combat.
It's not just about shinsu skills, shinwonryu, or anything related to spells, wave controller, etc., hand-to-hand combat skills are really important.

As with Gustang's battle with Traumerei, neither of them were rated highly for their combat skills but they were able to avoid almost all of the other's moves.
And clearly, Zahard, Eduan, Yurin, Urek,... are at higher level skills than the rest.

 

[Anne isn't a TT]

No way Joker J would mid diff anyone else except for baby bam. He couldn't even open the door lol. As for hon, Yurin, and Edhan being superior, there is no indication of that in webtoon which is canon. They just have stronger families.
That's all.
Rei wasn't planning to kill Gussy until the latest chapters. If U go back and reread 551, the reason why Joker says Arie, Khun and Ha are too big for him is because if any of them fought LPB, except for Rei, his family would get slaughtered. That's why they are too big.
Also we don't know if hon fought J after entering the tower or not. With and without shinsu would prolly make a huge difference, ig.

 

[Lonatian]

No way Joker J would mid diff anyone else except for baby bam. He couldn't even open the door lol. As for hon, Yurin, and Edhan being superior, there is no indication of that in webtoon which is canon. They just have stronger families.
That's all.
Rei wasn't planning to kill Gussy until the latest chapters. If U go back and reread 551, the reason why Joker says Arie, Khun and Ha are too big for him is because if any of them fought LPB, except for Rei, his family would get slaughtered. That's why they are too big.
Also we don't know if hon fought J after entering the tower or not. With and without shinsu would prolly make a huge difference, ig.

Administrator doesn't allow Zahard's army to fight, and Zahard doesn't want the battle to go too far into a world war (not everyone likes war like V and FUG).

I really think Zahard's army can destroy any families.

 

[Anne isn't a TT]

Administrator doesn't allow Zahard's army to fight, and Zahard doesn't want the battle to go too far into a world war (not everyone likes war like V and FUG).

I really think Zahard's army can destroy any families.

Why would admin not allow J army to fight? They are just a bunch of Towerborns. If possible, I think admins won't want FLs / GWs fight that's why they gave them immortality contract.

V fought with Joker because he was stopping his right. He could have just let V, Arlene and others to pass and then lock the door but no he was obsessed with other person wife

Yeah same I think Adori alone clears a GF

 

[Lonatian]

Why would admin not allow J army to fight? They are just a bunch of Towerborns. If possible, I think admins won't want FLs / GWs fight that's why they gave them immortality contract.

What you said is completely wrong, please read chapter 515 (ss3 ep 98) again.

The administrator didn't want to the Zahard army fight against 10 families directly, but allowed the Lo Po Bia family to fight with the Po Bidau family (the Lo Po Bia family was licensed, and the Po Bidau family was completely are all reactionaries). Traumerei even added a few conditions that the administrator still agreed to.

 

[Anne isn't a TT]

What you said is completely wrong, please read chapter 515 (ss3 ep 98) again.

The administrator didn't want to the Zahard army fight against 10 families directly, but allowed the Lo Po Bia family to fight with the Po Bidau family (the Lo Po Bia family was licensed, and the Po Bidau family was completely are all reactionaries). Traumerei even added a few conditions that the administrator still agreed to.

Well, I did reread that chapter. In that chapter ascensio says adminstration and military tried to clear the mission by getting rid of regulars and says administration didn't want J army to fall out with ten families. So from this, we can say it's not Guardians/ admins but the administration is one of J family faction. This should be internal conflict between J family.

As for administration agreeing, it's just Rei asking what he will get in return with Jahad not admins.
They would have used administrator instead of administration like in 602, when bell says even admin has consented to the game

 

[Lonatian]

So from this, we can say it's not Guardians/ admins but the administration is one of J family faction. This should be internal conflict between J family.

Maybe you confused something.
The Administrator is the guardian in your own words. They didn't related to Zahard.
About the servant of Zahard's Empire that rule each floor, is called a Ruler.
Please try to show me who is called an administrator besides the guardians. Even the official chapters on naver and webtoon refer to them as Administrators.

--- Double Post Merged, Aug 24, 2024, Original Post Date: Aug 24, 2024 ---

And if you still are confused between admins and guardians.

"The COMPANY, the first Edited Manga team that translated Tower of God (series) before the LINE Webtoon app existed, used the term "Guardian" for their English translation. However, it turns out that author SIU gave two different Korean Hangul for the term Administrator (관리자, "Gwahnlija") and Guardian (가디언, "Gadieon")."

 

[Anne isn't a TT]

Maybe you confused something.
The Administrator is the guardian in your own words. They didn't related to Zahard.
About the servant of Zahard's Empire that rule each floor, is called a Ruler.
Please try to show me who is called an administrator besides the guardians. Even the official chapters on naver and webtoon refer to them as Administrators.

--- Double Post Merged, Aug 24, 2024, Original Post Date: Aug 24, 2024 ---

And if you still are confused between admins and guardians.

"The COMPANY, the first Edited Manga team that translated Tower of God (series) before the LINE Webtoon app existed, used the term "Guardian" for their English translation. However, it turns out that author SIU gave two different Korean Hangul for the term Administrator (관리자, "Gwahnlija") and Guardian (가디언, "Gadieon")."

Ah U misunderstood me. I am talking about the word adminstration, not the word administrator. In the picture below U can see the word administration which is a part of J family.

In that chapter ascensio says adminstration and military tried to clear the mission by getting rid of regulars and says administration didn't want J army to fall out with ten families.

From what ascensio told us, this clearly fits the agenda. That this administration which gave order to military tried to get rid of regulars in HT.
And they don't want to see the fall out between J and PB not the administrator like headon which U are confused.

 

[Lonatian]

Ah U misunderstood me. I am talking about the word adminstration, not the word administrator. In the picture below U can see the word administration which is a part of J family.

In that chapter ascensio says adminstration and military tried to clear the mission by getting rid of regulars and says administration didn't want J army to fall out with ten families.

From what ascensio told us, this clearly fits the agenda. That this administration which gave order to military tried to get rid of regulars in HT.
And they don't want to see the fall out between J and PB not the administrator like headon which U are confused.

I misunderstood what you meant, but I still think you're confused.

First, it's still not an ADMINISTRATOR (that Ascensio said), it's an ADMINISTRATION AUTHORITIES. And clearly they failed to kill Baam as order 2.

Second, the head of ADMINISTRATION AUTHORITIES is the president and the minister, the head of the MILITARY is Adori. Those two scopes are different, you cannot say Adori needs permission from the chairman. She said she will do all three orders (not like adminstration)
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Finally, why do you think Traumerei needs permission from ADMINISTRATION AUTHORITIES?