Can Zahard mid diff Traumerei?

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Ya'll see disconnection as some great technique which is fair enough, but I think the top FHs will have a counter to it. For context just see the reaction of Khun Eduan when Traumerei first revealed his skill to him. He didn't seem that impressed with the skill but was happy for his friend lol.
Sure the skill improved to the point that can cut space and time but this is Khun Eduan, Arie Hon, and Jahad we're talking about here.
You are not reading context. Eduan thought that was just a compressed shinsoo blade, which the effect is similar, but Disconnection is a quality-kind of shinsoo. Gustang said that's different. Eduan was not impressed because he didn't understand the technique Itself.
 

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You are not reading context. Eduan thought that was just a compressed shinsoo blade, which the effect is similar, but Disconnection is a quality-kind of shinsoo. Gustang said that's different. Eduan was not impressed because he didn't understand the technique Itself.
You're not reading my context. I get your point and i agree to certain extent. But my point being, there will stronger techniques than disconnection going forward displayed by top FHs which would make disconnection look like a technique as first understood by Eduan.
 

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I can't see Zahard mid diffing any of the FHs considering their hype. He is the uncontested best among them sure, but if he can mid diff one of them, can they really be considered fighters at a similar level? The only Irregular in the Tower who can push him to extreme difficulty should be Urek, and high difficulty for all the others.

But among them, some fights might be trickier because of matchups though overall it's probably not very important. I don't think they can change the outcome in one vs one.

As for countering Disconnection, I don't see how you can really do that. It cuts anything, the simplest way to deal with it aside from dodging is healing and they can probably all do that(Still unsure if you can heal from it) but it's still very annoying to deal with. And even in this case, a good hit to your vitals and you are done.

Other than this way, you'd need an ability to absorb Shinsoo or negate it. But still, durability doesn't matter against it. Even if you are Zahard, Yurin or Bloodmadder, once hit, you are slashed.
 

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I can't see Zahard mid diffing any of the FHs considering their hype. He is the uncontested best among them sure, but if he can mid diff one of them, can they really be considered fighters at a similar level? The only Irregular in the Tower who can push him to extreme difficulty should be Urek, and high difficulty for all the others.

But among them, some fights might be trickier because of matchups though overall it's probably not very important. I don't think they can change the outcome in one vs one.

As for countering Disconnection, I don't see how you can really do that. It cuts anything, the simplest way to deal with it aside from dodging is healing and they can probably all do that(Still unsure if you can heal from it) but it's still very annoying to deal with. And even in this case, a good hit to your vitals and you are done.

Other than this way, you'd need an ability to absorb Shinsoo or negate it. But still, durability doesn't matter against it. Even if you are Zahard, Yurin or Bloodmadder, once hit, you are slashed.
Disconnection ain't cutting through golden needle or cosmos. Jahad sinshoo control skill > Traumerei Sinshoo skill. I always give this example, take one piece for example.
Two fighters going against each other with conquerors haki and different devil fruits. Winner is the one with the superior haki. Jahad simply has better control over shinshoo and has better hacks. Jahad might put his back into the fight but he wins pretty convincingly.
 

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Disconnection ain't cutting through golden needle or cosmos. Jahad sinshoo control skill > Traumerei Sinshoo skill. I always give this example, take one piece for example.
Two fighters going against each other with conquerors haki and different devil fruits. Winner is the one with the superior haki. Jahad simply has better control over shinshoo and has better hacks. Jahad might put his back into the fight but he wins pretty convincingly.
I wasn't talking about their skills though. Because of Disconnection, Zahard simply can't tank his attacks since they ignore durability.
 

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You're not reading my context. I get your point and i agree to certain extent. But my point being, there will stronger techniques than disconnection going forward displayed by top FHs which would make disconnection look like a technique as first understood by Eduan.
We don't know that. Zahard will surely outhax Traumerei though.
 

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I wasn't talking about their skills though. Because of Disconnection, Zahard simply can't tank his attacks since they ignore durability.
Maybe I am misremembering but I don't think there's an implication that disconnect can simply cut anything. Rather, the implication is that if it cuts something the shinsoo between the cut parts will be completely severed.
 

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Maybe I am misremembering but I don't think there's an implication that disconnect can simply cut anything. Rather, the implication is that if it cuts something the shinsoo between the cut parts will be completely severed.
Pretty sure the explanation was like It cut off the flow between two things. Then It's not only a physical/dimensional cut. Gustang also mentioned the skill was born from Traumerei's anima skills.
 

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Disconnection is a creative and unbreakable shinsu skill. But in cross-section form it can still be avoided like Gustang did, in many cases it is like a thin blade cutting through everything. In 3D form, it works exactly as its idea is "Disconnection". I'm not sure Traumerei can cut 3D on Gustang.

In terms of Zahard, his fighting skills are superior. He can easily avoid the cross-section form. Also, we have to consider his Shinwonryu. In the hidden floor, his skill called cosmos, feels like it is on a much higher level.
 

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I wasn't talking about their skills though. Because of Disconnection, Zahard simply can't tank his attacks since they ignore durability.
But what if he has something in his arsenal that allows him to tank any technique? Jahad to me seems like a well protected king via contracts and hacks even among the FHs. But that's just my personal head canon.
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We don't know that. Zahard will surely outhax Traumerei though.
We don't know that but it makes the most sense.
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Disconnection is a creative and unbreakable shinsu skill. But in cross-section form it can still be avoided like Gustang did, in many cases it is like a thin blade cutting through everything. In 3D form, it works exactly as its idea is "Disconnection". I'm not sure Traumerei can cut 3D on Gustang.

In terms of Zahard, his fighting skills are superior. He can easily avoid the cross-section form. Also, we have to consider his Shinwonryu. In the hidden floor, his skill called cosmos, feels like it is on a much higher level.
This was exactly what I implied. Jahad is simply just that much better than the rest.
 

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But what if he has something in his arsenal that allows him to tank any technique? Jahad to me seems like a well protected king via contracts and hacks even among the FHs. But that's just my personal head canon.
He is the strongest FH. Why would he need some kind of contract to deal with any of them? It would only make him look less impressive.

If Zahard can tank "anything" then he is invincible.
 

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But what if he has something in his arsenal that allows him to tank any technique? Jahad to me seems like a well protected king via contracts and hacks even among the FHs. But that's just my personal head canon.
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We don't know that but it makes the most sense.
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This was exactly what I implied. Jahad is simply just that much better than the rest.
Calm down, my friend. Even the webtoon has been specific about Ha, Koon and Arie being Top 3 in melee among FHs. Nothing was said about shinsoo control or another hax. If anything, what's been implied to us is that the 10FHs balance each other.
 

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Calm down, my friend. Even the webtoon has been specific about Ha, Koon and Arie being Top 3 in melee among FHs. Nothing was said about shinsoo control or another hax. If anything, what's been implied to us is that the 10FHs balance each other.
I don't know about hax, but it's implied that Zahard is better at Shinsoo Control than most. He is probably better than the non WCs of his team at it overall.

Data Eduan was very impressed to see that Baam could match Data Zahard in that department back then and Baam is a gifted WC, who should be comparable to Blossom? He is also the only one to have shown a ranged Floral Butterfly technique so far.
 

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I don't know about hax, but it's implied that Zahard is better at Shinsoo Control than most. He is probably better than the non WCs of his team at it overall.

Data Eduan was very impressed to see that Baam could match Data Zahard in that department back then and Baam is a gifted WC, who should be comparable to Blossom? He is also the only one to have shown a ranged Floral Butterfly technique so far.
I believe Zahard is the perfect warrior. Even If the is not greater than the specialists in some area, he is almost as good them. He was able to match Eduan's speed, and was able to match Baam's tension and surpass him in bang control, is implied to be better at handling weapons than Arie Hon too, was also showed using these lighthouses in the HF, and could use an advanced version of the piercing technique since he was at 43th floor which could be Yurin or V's styles.
 

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Calm down, my friend. Even the webtoon has been specific about Ha, Koon and Arie being Top 3 in melee among FHs. Nothing was said about shinsoo control or another hax. If anything, what's been implied to us is that the 10FHs balance each other.
lol I don't know what the data Jahad vs bam teach you. Jahad stands at the pinnacle of the tower. He's better than the rest.
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He is the strongest FH. Why would he need some kind of contract to deal with any of them? It would only make him look less impressive.

If Zahard can tank "anything" then he is invincible.
When I say hacks I mean different op weapons in his arsenal like the needle gifted to him by the workshop. Who's to say he doesn't have more toys as he climbed that can give him an edge in a fight against a FH.
 

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When I say hacks I mean different op weapons in his arsenal like the needle gifted to him by the workshop. Who's to say he doesn't have more toys as he climbed that can give him an edge in a fight against a FH.
I wouldn't say that having equipment is having hacks. They are part of people's fighting style.
 

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Tram’s stock’s for me are sky high!!!

So let’s not even use Jahad…Let’s use Eduan or even Ari….They are smoking Tram!!!!

Doesn’t matter about Disconnect. It’ll prove difficult & challenging. But if they are stronger even since the climb and have been ranked higher for that reason. I think they’ll have more haxx abilities than Tram.

So now insert Jahad. #1, Yes I think all of the FH can pose some type of challenges to Jahad. Unless it’s Ari or Eduan; I don’t see how Jahad will actually dig deep for a win. I think he’s that better than the rest of the group
 

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Yeah, probably. I have both Zahard and Urek as relatively equal right now. Still, it's quite plausible their different ways of fighting could make the difficulty of the match vary. Compatibility matters, but since we've seen little to nothing of their actual power, it's hard to tell. Even as of now, I still think Traumerei has quite a lot more to show, and he's the one who has shown the most :lmao
Rei still didnt get his leviathan(his most powerful dragon) which is crazy... I am starting to think that all the FH's are equal in strength except for blodmadder who had to beg for immortality contact though it might not be cannon since SIU changed a lot of things.

I am having second thoughts about Urek being able to beat Hon.
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hich could be Yurin or V's styles
Considering yurin and Yuri are personality-wise same they are more likely to be gorilla apes with high physical abilities, in that case yurin does not have enough IQ to create a technique. Luslec also used Piercing technique, V probably created and taught to luslec and luslec taught to jinsung who developed the technique on his way.
 

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So, what are the opinions after this week's chapter? Do we still think the same, or has the stance changed?
 

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