Characters and abilities with unknown Nen categories

[Uriel]

But those strings are materialized. It has no sense if not what She did with Hisoka. And most techniques have a bit of everything, so it's not that strange to consider it.

And when I say use those limitations as strengths...See Gon. He used his limitation of the predictive pose as a way to fool the enemy. See Kurapika, who picked the right chains for the right enemies but He did not left himself defenseless against other enemies while gaining immense power against Ryodan. See Kaito, which limitation was a random pick of weapons, but every of them were hell useful. And allowed him to get back from death.

Limitations are only good when the price is worthy for. As far as I know, Gotoh's coins did not granted him any useful "price" if not He would have used it. Not a special power, not a special combinations. He just used them as bullets that spin. That can easily be countered.

And about Franklin...I'm sure his fighting style doesn't involve such a predictive way. He seems wise enough. And his bullets can go trough even Nen based objects. Which BTW, Gotoh's coins couldn't.

 

[Demonspeed]

I agree Machi uses certainly materialization.

Now about Palm, it seems that she was a clairvoyant before learning sense,if she was,it makes sense.She conjures the ball and her talent of clairvoyance is boosted by enhancement type,and she detects persons via her emission skills.

 

[TheAmericandream]

Is any of this ever stated or just guessed off the wiki? I'd make more sense to me if the mermaid was just a rare occult item she uses to enhance her natural clairvoyant abilities. But I guess I assumed most supernatural things in HxH related to humans was Nen. Palm is the one that confuses me, I suppose your own hair being connected to your body controlling it might not be that difficult. I overall think its a good ability, and with years of training It seemed mostly effective, Uvo had to scream to counter it, so same can go for Palm's hair armor. If we can assume Clairvoyance is something even non Nen users can utilize, or that its enhancing her natural sixth sense...then I'm okay with it. That's the only answer I can come up with, but I think its still weird since most psychic abilities in HxH are explained by being Specialization Nen.

I also think since the manga says Machi is a transmuter, and it also says she transmutes (in the manga) it has the form of a wire, its resistent is reversely proportionate to its length. If it was a conjured ability, wouldn't it maintain strength regardless of distance? Unless that was a condition she put on it, but I don't know if she'd acquire that kinda strength like that. I prefer to go with the simple explanation, especially since she has one of the first Nen abilities ever shown, I've always seen it as very simple and versatile. It's possible she uses some conjuring to maintain it after the surgery is done, like a secondary ability to explain Hisoka's arms, but I think its just sub par emission keeping it together, which is strong enough to allow Hisoka to heal but not strong enough to say, endure a fight without them falling apart. So I guess the argument here is whether or not her secondary typing for Nen threads is emission or conjuring, but its obviously primarily (80%) a simple transmutation ability.


Also about Gotoh, his restrictions mean nothing in the face of Franklin who severed his fingers to get the amount of aura he has, that's a horrifying sacrifice if you ask me. I really want to see Franklin, Phinx and Machi in a battle more then any other Spider at this point (save for maybe more Chrollo goodness)

 

[kkck]

But those strings are materialized. It has no sense if not what She did with Hisoka. And most techniques have a bit of everything, so it's not that strange to consider it.

And when I say use those limitations as strengths...See Gon. He used his limitation of the predictive pose as a way to fool the enemy. See Kurapika, who picked the right chains for the right enemies but He did not left himself defenseless against other enemies while gaining immense power against Ryodan. See Kaito, which limitation was a random pick of weapons, but every of them were hell useful. And allowed him to get back from death.

Limitations are only good when the price is worthy for. As far as I know, Gotoh's coins did not granted him any useful "price" if not He would have used it. Not a special power, not a special combinations. He just used them as bullets that spin. That can easily be countered.

And about Franklin...I'm sure his fighting style doesn't involve such a predictive way. He seems wise enough. And his bullets can go trough even Nen based objects. Which BTW, Gotoh's coins couldn't.

Well, the manga never actually elaborated on the exact details of gotoh's hatsu. And who are we to say the price was not worth it? We don't even know to what extent the limitations powered it up. And lets be fair, he fought motherfucking hisoka. Hisoka is one of the strongest nen users in the series to begin with. Who has he ever fought that even gave him trouble? He made short work of the guy at the tower, he wants nothing more than to fight chrollo, he parades around zodiacs assesing their strength is inferior to his own and he plays around with illumi, another beast. So what if his coins could not get past bungee gum? Given what we saw the logical assumption would be that they couldn't get past because hisoka is insanely strong. And the spin trick was quite nifty, how is that not taking advantage of a problem? And ultimately, gotoh lost not because his nen was useless or because he did not use it as he should but because hisoka is who he is. Besides, not all limitations should be used as strengths. They wouldn't be limitations otherwise, sometimes limitations are just limitations.

And why would the coins be easily countered? Where did that come from?

And how would frankin's style not be what we saw? His ability is merely a standard emission made stronger by him doing something weird to his fingers(which we only know because the manga specifically told us so).

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Machi is a transmutter, the manga never hints at her ability requiring materialization. She merely shapes her nen as a string however nothing ever suggests at some point the wire turns into a physical object. Its a similar situation to gon's scissor, it is nen shaped like a blade not a materialized blade. Machi would only need emission for her wire to remain attached to hisoka's arm, she would not need to actually make it into a real object.

 

[Uriel]

TheAmericandream: We never discussed the primary or secondary type. it's obvious that She's Transformation and also was stated as that. We're talking about the sub-schools She uses. If the discussion seems otherwise, I suggest giving a second look to the posts.

kkck: Nope, She needs to materialize in order to function as it does. Because if it was based by emission, it would mean that when Hisoka is far away than Machi his arms comes off.
If it would be only Transmutation alone things would go as shown by Hisoka with his own Bungee Gum. It only partially works and requires constant emission of it and concentration all the time to keep it activated. Because the ability of Hisoka to Materialize is focused on his Texture Surprise, He's not able to materialize his bungee gum. Also it's given that his Bungee Gum doesn't heal, it's just that gum between his arms and his body.
Machi in order to move freely needs to materialize the strings after applying them or it would take an enormous amount of Nen keeping it all the time or else those arms would fall off. Since that did not happened, She used Materialization INSTEAD of Emission...Which is the closest school as well so it makes sense.

 

[TheAmericandream]

I wonder if Huncyclopedia at the end of each episode will explain Franklin's restrictions, I can see them doing one for each member of the Phantom Trope save for perhaps Phinks, Feitan and Bonolenov since we don't see their Hatsu for a while. What does everyone think of Phinks? Do you think he seems useful to the Spiders operations? I mean he is strong but his ability always seemed kinda stupid to me, like the least useful of the entire group. I mean I guess he's the second strongest member, so perhaps that alone got him into the group (he maybe killed a former member)

Uriel:
I understand the idea of abilities possessing dual typing.
The string does disappear after a while and is even weaker when far away, is that really impossible for emission. How would conjuring work? Would that be a condition she sets on the threads after they are a certain distance? Turn into conjured string? I guess I'm just not sure how getting it to do that would work. Emission just seems like a simpler explanation to me, she is very strong and from a distance its very weak comparably. How would she cause the "switch" from transmuted threads to conjured ones? Perhaps her main ability with Nen threads is transmutation (as seen in Yorknew, its always attached) and for the surgery ability its totally conjuration. That at least makes more sense to me.

 

[kkck]

TheAmericandream: We never discussed the primary or secondary type. it's obvious that She's Transformation and also was stated as that. We're talking about the sub-schools She uses. If the discussion seems otherwise, I suggest giving a second look to the posts.

kkck: Nope, She needs to materialize in order to function as it does. Because if it was based by emission, it would mean that when Hisoka is far away than Machi his arms comes off.
If it would be only Transmutation alone things would go as shown by Hisoka with his own Bungee Gum. It only partially works and requires constant emission of it and concentration all the time to keep it activated. Because the ability of Hisoka to Materialize is focused on his Texture Surprise, He's not able to materialize his bungee gum. Also it's given that his Bungee Gum doesn't heal, it's just that gum between his arms and his body.
Machi in order to move freely needs to materialize the strings after applying them or it would take an enormous amount of Nen keeping it all the time or else those arms would fall off. Since that did not happened, She used Materialization INSTEAD of Emission...Which is the closest school as well so it makes sense.

Being far from emission does not mean outright disappears when away from the user. It can happen but it is still perfectly viable for nen to merely weaken rather than disappearing. Also, what do you mean by constant emission? As far as we know, emission is the ability to have nen maintain its power once it becomes separate from the body. What would she be constantly doing? We already know that separating from her thread causes it to weaken but thats it. Its not like she needs the threads to be able to hold tons when healing. Hisoka does use materialization for his deceiptful texture, it is the only way he would actually fool anyone. He does not need his bungee gum to materialize, not sure where you are going with this. The manga did state bungee gum loses some power when it loses contact with hisoka's body though.

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I wonder if Huncyclopedia at the end of each episode will explain Franklin's restrictions, I can see them doing one for each member of the Phantom Trope save for perhaps Phinks, Feitan and Bonolenov since we don't see their Hatsu for a while. What does everyone think of Phinks? Do you think he seems useful to the Spiders operations? I mean he is strong but his ability always seemed kinda stupid to me, like the least useful of the entire group. I mean I guess he's the second strongest member, so perhaps that alone got him into the group (he maybe killed a former member)

I don't think there will be restrictions per say for franklins ability. How would that work with such a simple and straightforward ability? He simply emits nen pretty fast. There was actually a page in the manga which explains his ability and it did not show any restrictions at all, it just saw making his fingers like they were made his nen stronger. Phinks is a simple enhancement user, he merely deviates a little from what uvo and gon. Perhaps his version could actually be stronger than uvo's if fully powered up technique considering its power indeed has a restriction and spinning your arms enough times can potentially be a problem. Still, franklin and phinx end up having simple techniques which by ryodan standards have already said to be easily replaceable (which implies a lot of people have similar techniques).

 

[TheAmericandream]

I don't know if Franklin was stated as being easily replaceable, but Shizuku, Pakunoda and Kortopi are the rarest amongst the Spiders. I worded my statement about Franklin wrong, I was referring to what he did to his fingers when I said restriction. It's not necessarily a restriction, but its something he did that shows his dedication and makes his ability very strong. As far as Phinks is concerned his hatsu involves winding his fist up, Uvo has no such restriction to getting a huge powerful attack, he just punches. Obviously Phinks can probably make the strongest attack by winding his fist many many times, but what opponent would let him do that? I guess I just think his ability is generally pretty silly.

 

[kkck]

From what I recall it was shalnark's, phink's and uvo's abilities which were said to be easily replaceable in the ryodan. Can't remember the chapter though, those york shin chapters all have basically the same title lol.

 

[TheAmericandream]

I think you're referring to this page: http://www.tenmanga.com/chapter/HunterXHunter104/153242-7.html


Shalnark only refers to the abilities of himself and Nobunaga vs Shizuku and Pakunoda. Though all Enhancers are replaceable since their abilities are simple, though I personally argue an Enhancer of Uvogin's level isn't easy to replace, but his ability yes is not rare.

 

[kkck]

Shalnark is not even an enhancer for that matter, he is a manipulator and a pretty good one at that (all he has to do is put that antenna on his enemy and that's it). If we consider shalnark's and nobunaga's abilities to not be rare and overall be easily replaceable then it is also not too much to extent such a thing to phinx, uvo and even franklin considering their abilities although developed are basically standard enhancement or emission.

 

[Demonspeed]

Am i the one who thinks that a good manipulator(Zodiac level) could beat Meruem?

 

[TheAmericandream]

Um no you are probably right. Manipulator was the type that Uvogin feared, and while Meryem is stronger and smarter, he mostly relies on physical strength to win his battles from what we saw. The right manipulation Hatsu could probably bring him down. I wonder if Illumi would be capable of doing it with assistance.

 

[Uriel]

I don't think a good manipulation user, but someone else aside Netero. I took very seriously what He said about not being in the top 5 anymore. And the comment about some people being above his level (I think, when Moreau was talking with him) was also very illuminating.
Meryem still would win in that situation, anyway. It's not a controlled ambient, He's so fucking smart that He could deduce things quite easily and it's not like He's slow or anything. His overconfidence, though, maybe a way to defeat him with a convenient ability. Not enhancers, though.

 

[kkck]

Um no you are probably right. Manipulator was the type that Uvogin feared, and while Meryem is stronger and smarter, he mostly relies on physical strength to win his battles from what we saw. The right manipulation Hatsu could probably bring him down. I wonder if Illumi would be capable of doing it with assistance.

Well, even the most ideal manipulation hatsu would have a set of conditions to fulfill before it can actually do anything. In this regard, while a manipulation hatsu would certainly work on mereum, the risk of the technique remains proportional to the benefit. Controlling mereum gives you control over the most powerful being on the planet without a doubt however before that you have to make the most powerful guy on the planet complete the conditions for the control. In this regard, while manipulation would indeed win you the battle, the odds of someone actually pulling this off are best best overwhelmingly close to 0 in any of mereum's forms. More so, manipulation users overall do not have a nen type suited for direct combat, they would basically be defenseless until they pull of the technique. I mean, as far as nen types go the only things close to manipulation are specialization which is not really a nen type or acquirable and emission which could be useful as a secondary nen. However, that is only 1 secondary nen type, not two as most nen types would have. I don't think even illumi with assistance could pull this off.

 

[Demonspeed]

I just realized that Ikarugo could possess Meruem body.

 

[TheAmericandream]

I mean obviously he wouldn't be able to pierce his skin would he? He is a sniper so maybe, but I'm assuming if Uvo can deal with a sniper with relative ease, so can Meryem. What if Illumi or Shalnark teamed up with someone similar to Meloreon or Chrollo doing his teleportation ability, do you think they could pierce Meryem somewhere with a needle and possess him? I guess that's the question with that style of manipulation, whether or not Meryem unguarded could be pierced with a nen needle or something. Obviously no one is as fast as meryem so something like teleportation or invisibility would be necessary to do it. Also what about the Ortho Siblings darts? Could that attack Meryem, what type of ability do you guys think it is? Manipulation/Conjuring? maybe Specialization I guess. I was never too clear on it. There's several ants who's abilities remain a mystery to me.

 

[kkck]

Well, the darts could certainly get to mereum IMO however actually hurting him is an entirely different thing. I mean, the guy has some pretty sick nen and has yupi's ability along with a probably insect like armor or something. I don't think the darts would actually harm him. As for what type of nen it is, IMO it is a bit complicated. The issue at hand is that it is a combination nen between two people. If I were to guess I would think it kinda works this way:

1.- Sister: She uses conjuration.
http://www.mangareader.net/207-14248-14/hunter-x-hunter/chapter-239.html
And then she adds a condition, when the badge is on the brother he can use his ability.
2.- Brother: Emission
http://www.mangareader.net/207-14248-6/hunter-x-hunter/chapter-239.html
Killia mentions it is a fish made from nen which pretty much rules out conjuration. Now, for the nen to appear elsewhere it would actually require emission and/or manipulation. Manipulation of the object to make it have an effect and emission to attack at long distance. I guess it could be primarily manipulation but emission makes more sense to me as that would seem to be the primary means of causing damage. Perhaps that would not matter as the risk of the game is pretty high.

 

[TheAmericandream]

Well sure ants are stronger then humans, but we don't know much about their skin compared to squad leaders when Nen isn't involved. I'd assume above average nen if attacking the right spot could at least slightly pierce Meryem's skin unguarded by nen. :P Hard to say really.

 

[XXGenesis]

Well sure ants are stronger then humans, but we don't know much about their skin compared to squad leaders when Nen isn't involved. I'd assume above average nen if attacking the right spot could at least slightly pierce Meryem's skin unguarded by nen. :P Hard to say really.

Kite lost to Pito before she knew Nen. So they are that strong before using Nen.

But Umm Why is the President labeled an Enhancer with the Hatsu ability Imo that is Emission and manipulation..Where is this officially stated?? Some may think Conjurer for his ability but his Statue holds no hidden ability which is why i stray away from it cause Netero was crazy he would you know make some dumb item up and put a whole bunch of crazy rules on it....Also my biggest alarm is that he has to use manipulation which is far ass hell from his category and conjure if it is that which i don't believe..So Why is he labeled an Enhancer using categories he can't achieve much power in?