Characters and abilities with unknown Nen categories

[TheAmericandream]

Okay, this might already have had a thread a while back. But I wanted to discuss this as its own topic. What are some of the Hatsu or characters we know of that don't have Nen categories revealed? Are there any nearly 100% educated guesses you have for them? The ones I want to know most are:

Knuckle Bine with Hakoware (I think maybe Conjurer/Materialization? That makes the most sense to me)

Yupi (Transmutation or Enhancement? He Enhances his rage maybe? I mean if he's a magical beast how do we know his transformations are nen or not? I'm most curious about Yupi's abilities)

Netero (Conjurer or Specialist? I mean he conjured that huge thing, and it has conditions on it, I'm always skeptical when it doesn't quite line up with Hisoka's personality chart)

I'll leave it with those to start off.
Though Gorain being Emission also made no sense to me looking back at a character who I think they do reveal his category. His Nen beasts seem like conjuring to me, but maybe I'm wrong.

Discuss.

 

[Netero]

I've read on quite a few sites that Netero, and Youpi are enhancers. Not sure if it's true or not.

I think Knuckle might be emission.

This is from the HxH wiki on emitters

Some Emission abilities (such as Shachmono Tocino's) are commonly mistaken for Conjuration abilities. The two, however, are fundamentally different. Objects created by Emitters are created solely from aura, invisible to those whom haven't learned Nen, and require Manipulation skills to control.

 

[TheAmericandream]

Well that does make sense, so how do you explain Greed Island NPC's? Aren't they conjured? Does it not require Manipulation to control as well? This is why I'd love to see more Emission training (Leorio maybe? I hope so) or elaboration on Kurapika's training to explain more about Conjuring. I get those two confused all the time, I assumed normal people could see Hakoware since it didn't seem like it required Gyo to see, but perhaps I'm wrong.

Nen can truly be confusing, but its a deep world indeed. Now Hakoware also seals off a persons nen, to me that always felt like Conjuring to me. It has specific rules to it and it works at a fairly long distance. Though it does stop calculating when Knuckle is farther away...so maybe it is Emission? I'd love for someone who thinks they have a firmer grasp on it explain it.

 

[MegamanX195]

Well that does make sense, so how do you explain Greed Island NPC's? Aren't they conjured? Does it not require Manipulation to control as well? This is why I'd love to see more Emission training (Leorio maybe? I hope so) or elaboration on Kurapika's training to explain more about Conjuring. I get those two confused all the time, I assumed normal people could see Hakoware since it didn't seem like it required Gyo to see, but perhaps I'm wrong.

Nen can truly be confusing, but its a deep world indeed. Now Hakoware also seals off a persons nen, to me that always felt like Conjuring to me. It has specific rules to it and it works at a fairly long distance. Though it does stop calculating when Knuckle is farther away...so maybe it is Emission? I'd love for someone who thinks they have a firmer grasp on it explain it.

No, just because normal people can't see it doesn't mean one needs to use Gyo to see it. Gyo only needs to be used to see stuff hidden with In. Nen users are the only ones that can see non-materialized Nen stuff because the shokos of their eyes have been opened. That's why Gon and Killua (and regular people) couldn't see Nen before Wing awakened their shokos.

 

[TheAmericandream]

Okay with that understood (kinda forgot), can you set nen conditional spells to emission based powers?

 

[Sea Hunter]

With Emission you give orders or general instructions to your nen thus you can leave it alone to act you don't have to be in control of it all times.

Check the difference between Razor's nen beats vs Goraim's beasts, the first are Emission where their movements and actions are based upon previously given orders, while Goraim's beasts (Materialized) move only with direct control from him, thus when he passed out they disappeared.

For both types you'll need Manipulation in you want to be in control and give direct orders, notice this is a must for materialization but not so for Emission.

As for normal people seeing Emission objects (not aura) or not, where did you get your info? as far as i know it hasn't been mentioned in the manga wether an object created with Materialization or Emission is any different from normal people's perspective.

It's easy to put every nen ability we can't understand under Specialization category haha but i think that most are a mix of types, for example i'm guessing Netero's Hatsu is a Enhancement + Emission with Emission probably being his main category, Yupi being Enhancement main with Manipulation to his own body.

 

[TheAmericandream]

Emission and Materialization just sort of meld together for me a lot of times. I used to thinK I had an handle on which was which, but lately not so certain. I just thought that Materialized abilities were closer to looking and feeling "real" then something made by an Emitter. I shouldn't take HxH wiki as fact lol, though I'd really appreciate getting an Emission training scene. All we see Gon do with Emission is paper and that funny training he did with Biscuit. What reason would there be that Netero's ability couldn't just be purely Materialization or Emission? Because its so powerful? Would Kurapika's chains be possible with Emission as well?

On another note, things like Yupi's transforming his body and the Snake girl from the Zodiac. Would those both classify as Manipulation?

 

[Foreva]

The manga has never explicitly stated that the objects created by Emitters are invisible to normal people's eyes but most, if not all of the conjured objects related to Emission aura (they are not real, inanimate things) that we've seen so far are invisible. For example:

Pokkle's arrows
Netero's Buddha statue (he's an Enhancer but to create this statue he must use Emission aura because it's not connected to his body)
Knuckle's Hakoware

 

[MegamanX195]

With Emission you give orders or general instructions to your nen thus you can leave it alone to act you don't have to be in control of it all times.

Check the difference between Razor's nen beats vs Goraim's beasts, the first are Emission where their movements and actions are based upon previously given orders, while Goraim's beasts (Materialized) move only with direct control from him, thus when he passed out they disappeared.

For both types you'll need Manipulation in you want to be in control and give direct orders, notice this is a must for materialization but not so for Emission.

As for normal people seeing Emission objects (not aura) or not, where did you get your info? as far as i know it hasn't been mentioned in the manga wether an object created with Materialization or Emission is any different from normal people's perspective.

It's easy to put every nen ability we can't understand under Specialization category haha but i think that most are a mix of types, for example i'm guessing Netero's Hatsu is a Enhancement + Emission with Emission probably being his main category, Yupi being Enhancement main with Manipulation to his own body.

Both Razor AND Goreinu's Nen beasts are Emission. It's just that they're different: Razor nen creatures are "independent" while Goreinu's are "controlled", but both are still Emission. Kastro's clone was materialized, though: normal people could see it.

Fundamentally, the difference between Emission and Materialization is whether or not the object created is "real" (normal people can see it) or not (just aura shaped like something).

 

[Sea Hunter]

@MegamanX195 and you got that info....from??

No where in the manga was it stated that normal people can't see Emission made objects everything you said is just speculation.
About the beasts being "controlled" you're wrong there, take Morau as an example his deep purple ability compare his use of it in the city where he was taking out Pitou's human dolls vs his use of it against Yupi, first case it was purely Emission with pre given orders and no direct control, in the vs Yupi case he was directly giving orders for his deep purple clones where and when to attack (he purposely made one of his clones take advantage of the opening Yupi created to make him think it's Knuckles), and you know what? it's still the same ability with no difference in the category it belongs to, the only difference is the application of manipulation to his ability for direct control, that's what "controlled" and "uncontrolled" in the Raizer and Goraimu's example u commented on but for them it's not that because it hasn't been stated in the manga that Goraim can give them pre orders to what to do and until that's proven his ability is definitly pure materialization just like Castro and not Emission..

On another note, things like Yupi's transforming his body and the Snake girl from the Zodiac. Would those both classify as Manipulation?

Manipulation definition in the manga the ability to control living or non-living material it's the only category i can think of to make you able to manipulate your own body.

@Foreva Yes Pokkle's arrows couldn't be seen by normal people because they were emitted aura, i was arguing about emitted objects should be seen by normal people just like materialized objects, since it hasn't been stated in the manga otherwise..

 

[TheAmericandream]

is there any fundamental difference between Emitted objects and Materialization? I guess that's all I'd like to know, those two types seem like the most confusing to me. Mostly because they get mixed up with each other a lot by fans as you can obviously tell.

Also I am fairly certain all of Morel's abilities fall under Manipulation (or at least its probably his main category), as he is manipulating smoke with his aura. I mean he does put a ball of his aura inside to control deep purple (the soldiers made of actual smoke), so I guess does that make it also an Emission ability as well as manipulating real smoke? I suppose its a bit of both in that case. Maybe I'm wrong on this, it just seemed like he's manipulating smoke with his aura, but I guess controlling it from a distance, does that suddenly mean it involves Emission? I always felt pretty certain on how Morel's nen works. I think he has one of the more well thought out and straight forward abilities as far as things go.

 

[MegamanX195]

With Emission you give orders or general instructions to your nen thus you can leave it alone to act you don't have to be in control of it all times.

Check the difference between Razor's nen beats vs Goraim's beasts, the first are Emission where their movements and actions are based upon previously given orders, while Goraim's beasts (Materialized) move only with direct control from him, thus when he passed out they disappeared.

For both types you'll need Manipulation in you want to be in control and give direct orders, notice this is a must for materialization but not so for Emission.

As for normal people seeing Emission objects (not aura) or not, where did you get your info? as far as i know it hasn't been mentioned in the manga wether an object created with Materialization or Emission is any different from normal people's perspective.

It's easy to put every nen ability we can't understand under Specialization category haha but i think that most are a mix of types, for example i'm guessing Netero's Hatsu is a Enhancement + Emission with Emission probably being his main category, Yupi being Enhancement main with Manipulation to his own body.

Huh... I thought one of the covers of the chapters stated that Goreinu's type was Emission. Upon re-checking, guess I was mistaken. It does make more sense for Goreinu's beasts to be materialized, as Kastro's clone was materialized and worked similarly.

I'm 100% positive normal people can't see "emitted objects" though. Otherwise, Emission and Materialization would be mixed. After all, it's just normal aura that's away from the body and shaped like something, and, as we all know, regular people can't see aura. Materialization makes the thing "real".

 

[TheAmericandream]

That makes sense to me, but if its never specifically stated I don't know which to believe anymore. If we take a direct translation of how they are both described "Emission" and "Materialization", what are they? There just seems to be a ton of overlap.

 

[Uriel]

A common mistake: Hatsu is not the same as Nen Technique. A Nen Technique involves always more than one school of Hatsu. Hatsu is the most natural way for the user to do with its own aura. Specialization comes when that is a very particular thing that the user knows how to do since "always" generally speaking. That means that every technique at certain point in which is fully developed can become Specialization if it's the only thing the user does for a long time and getting the experience to overcome different things.

About Emission and Materialization the main difference is not only the "can be seen" by not nen users. It means that you can create something. With Aura, you project something and make it with a determined shape and effects. In Materialization, you actually MAKE them. It's somehow the same as talking about a rock and its shadow. Materialization objects "Lives", sort of. In any case, every object that is from materialization needs to achieve some Emission in order to gather the right amount of aura for its creation and to function farther than the user. Same way an emitted object needs to be conjured in order to give it a special effect.

Also, Youpi fits perfectly in Intensification. He can "accelerate" his body growth and He controls that to make new shapes of his own body.

 

[TheAmericandream]

Hmm, I understand the whole overlapping types with well developed abilities, but aren't Emission and Materialization very far apart on the chart? Does that make the user specialization if they can use it effectively?

 

[Uriel]

Because keeping the shape of aura far away from you is rather difficult.

 

[MegamanX195]

A common mistake: Hatsu is not the same as Nen Technique. A Nen Technique involves always more than one school of Hatsu. Hatsu is the most natural way for the user to do with its own aura. Specialization comes when that is a very particular thing that the user knows how to do since "always" generally speaking. That means that every technique at certain point in which is fully developed can become Specialization if it's the only thing the user does for a long time and getting the experience to overcome different things.

About Emission and Materialization the main difference is not only the "can be seen" by not nen users. It means that you can create something. With Aura, you project something and make it with a determined shape and effects. In Materialization, you actually MAKE them. It's somehow the same as talking about a rock and its shadow. Materialization objects "Lives", sort of. In any case, every object that is from materialization needs to achieve some Emission in order to gather the right amount of aura for its creation and to function farther than the user. Same way an emitted object needs to be conjured in order to give it a special effect.

Also, Youpi fits perfectly in Intensification. He can "accelerate" his body growth and He controls that to make new shapes of his own body.

Hatsu can be used as a synonym of Nen Technique, just like people say objects "made of Nen" when the more correct would be "made of Aura".

 

[Uriel]

Nope, Hatus is no synonym of Nen Technique. Hatsu is a school, which completely different. Beware because there lies the mistakes (There was a HUUUGE discussion on this forum about Nen which had many interesting point of views. There is Level Believers and No Limit Believers, me belonging the last one which implies some other things as well. I highly recommend to read that thread completely in order to understand the deepness of the concept of Nen created by Togashi. Linkie)

 

[MegamanX195]

But Killua seems to imply so, at the Greed Island selection exam. Tsezguerra asks them to show their Ren, and he asks if he could show Hatsu instead.

 

[Uriel]

But Killua seems to imply so, at the Greed Island selection exam. Tsezguerra asks them to show their Ren, and he asks if he could show Hatsu instead.

Because Hatsu requires all the basic techniques. If you remember, Ren, Ten, Gyo, Zetsu and En are all basic forms. Hatsu is property. Gon also has shown Hatsu but in his case it was more subtle.