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Here is my idea: Shanks will try to stop luffy from reaching OP. Not to claim it himself but rather because of what the consequences of reaching OP are. Shanks has shown that he is largely a sort of pacifist. His first big mom in the series was to try and stop ace from pursuing BB. Because ace had an important position in the world and his potential defeat carried weight. And was proven correct by how ace's defeat was the final piece that set the great war in motion. Shank's second big showing in the series was when he showed up at the great war and simply ordered the marines and pirates to stop fighting.

Now, we have pretty strong evidence that finding the OP is what will trigger the final war.. Or at least that is what the framing appears to be. So with this in mind it stands to reason that shanks would remain consistent in his stance and when luffy finally is on his way to OP shanks will try to stop him.
 

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Here is my idea: Shanks will try to stop luffy from reaching OP. Not to claim it himself but rather because of what the consequences of reaching OP are. Shanks has shown that he is largely a sort of pacifist. His first big mom in the series was to try and stop ace from pursuing BB. Because ace had an important position in the world and his potential defeat carried weight. And was proven correct by how ace's defeat was the final piece that set the great war in motion. Shank's second big showing in the series was when he showed up at the great war and simply ordered the marines and pirates to stop fighting.

Now, we have pretty strong evidence that finding the OP is what will trigger the final war.. Or at least that is what the framing appears to be. So with this in mind it stands to reason that shanks would remain consistent in his stance and when luffy finally is on his way to OP shanks will try to stop him.

I could see shanks stopping him as a test of sorts but- He's done nothing but encourage luffy. I don't see him legitimately trying to stop him (I feel like garp would better fit such a role).

...never connected the dots but shanks kind of is a pacifist.
 

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I could see shanks stopping him as a test of sorts but- He's done nothing but encourage luffy. I don't see him legitimately trying to stop him (I feel like garp would better fit such a role).

...never connected the dots but shanks kind of is a pacifist.
Shanks only barely encouraged luffy the one time over a decade ago. And they haven't seen each other since. Shanks is a pirate with his own agenda, I don't really see him giving luffy a pass if luffy does something which clashes with shanks ideals. The way the current manga is set up whoever finds one piece will basically trigger a massive war...
 

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Here is my idea: Shanks will try to stop luffy from reaching OP. Not to claim it himself but rather because of what the consequences of reaching OP are. Shanks has shown that he is largely a sort of pacifist. His first big mom in the series was to try and stop ace from pursuing BB. Because ace had an important position in the world and his potential defeat carried weight. And was proven correct by how ace's defeat was the final piece that set the great war in motion. Shank's second big showing in the series was when he showed up at the great war and simply ordered the marines and pirates to stop fighting.

Now, we have pretty strong evidence that finding the OP is what will trigger the final war.. Or at least that is what the framing appears to be. So with this in mind it stands to reason that shanks would remain consistent in his stance and when luffy finally is on his way to OP shanks will try to stop him.
I wouldn't call Shanks a pacifista.

He killed Higuma's men, while he could have stopped or scared them without resorting to kill.

Also, every time he stopped a battle, he relied on his strength. He clashed with Whitebeard, he fought with Kaido, he treatened the Marines. These were all gambles that could have ended way worse.

If anything, Shanks is willing to fight to accomplish a greater goal. Isn't that what the final war will ultimately be?

I don't really see Shanks trying to stop Luffy. As far we know, Shanks himself doesn't know what the One Piece is. He also told Buggy he wanted to find the treasure by himself.
 

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I wouldn't call Shanks a pacifista.

He killed Higuma's men, while he could have stopped or scared them without resorting to kill.

Also, every time he stopped a battle, he relied on his strength. He clashed with Whitebeard, he fought with Kaido, he treatened the Marines. These were all gambles that could have ended way worse.

If anything, Shanks is willing to fight to accomplish a greater goal. Isn't that what the final war will ultimately be?

I don't really see Shanks trying to stop Luffy. As far we know, Shanks himself doesn't know what the One Piece is. He also told Buggy he wanted to find the treasure by himself.
Shanks relying on his strength is besides the point. Sure, he uses his strength but invariably in order to avoid bigger bloodier conflicts. Sure, he risked a war with kaido but without a doubt had kaido gotten to marineford the conflict would have been much worst. He risked a fight with WB but shanks was perfectly aware of how big a conflict could come out of ace's quest. At marineford I would argue the context was a little bit different. The marines and WB pirates at that point were largely spent. Either force had exactly zero chance of winning against a fully rested yonko crew at the height of its power. There was no real risk to shanks in this scenario, just any force that went against them would be defeated.

And sure, shanks is willing to fight... but it is a fact that shanks has invariably acted to prevent shit storms. It's also possible shanks has changed since the higuma days. It's been a long decade since then....
 

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Shanks only barely encouraged luffy the one time over a decade ago. And they haven't seen each other since. Shanks is a pirate with his own agenda, I don't really see him giving luffy a pass if luffy does something which clashes with shanks ideals. The way the current manga is set up whoever finds one piece will basically trigger a massive war...
He said he gave his arm up for the future- so what sense would it then make for him to stand in the way?
 

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There was no real risk to shanks in this scenario, just any force that went against them would be defeated.
Shanks is smart, but you can't say there was zero risk. It was ultimately a gamble.
 

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Had this thought for a while....

Now I have found this:

(from mimike500, reddit)



Note that betrayal as the most vile sin, like in Dante's Comedy, is a key theme in One Piece. All other sins, like lying, gluttony, even murder are forgivable, but betrayal is not.

A fruit is presented, then a sin is committed. Thatch and Blackbeard. Trebol and Doflamingo. Higurashi and Orochi. Orochi and Kanjuro. Kaku and Khalifa are traitors, too.

Dante's Devil has three heads, and there is a saying that the devil never sleeps...
Darkness and Earthquakes are cthonian powers, the powers of the Underworld.

The part with the three letters is weak, but the back tattoo part is the best. Not only does Ace die like Jesus, the original symbol was a manji, a symbol of Hinduism, matching the prayer beads. Ratu Joyoboyo is the Messiah of Javanese Hinduism.

Father, Sun and Holy Spirit. Whitebeard, Ace and Marco. I was wondering about the symbolism of the Phoenix for a while...

Ace birth was a miracle birth under circumstances of persecution. Just like a certain someone's.

Yellow is the color of Joy, the color of the Sun. Notice how Poseidon rejoiced after witnessing the beauty of the Sun.

Red though... Love and anger, blood and Coca Cola, the color of Kings and bullfighters, used by communists and revolutionaries, but also by the Nazis...there is no color that causes more reaction from the eye than Red, the Color of Power

It is Ace who went around making promises he could never fulfill.

Ace is Joyboy and Luffy is Im (Iskur, Baal Hadad), violent and gluttonous, Bull and Thundercloud and enemy of God.


Note that Utu/Shamash was the brother of Iskur/Adad/Baal Hadad, the one who is missing is Inanna/Ishtar, Goddes of Love and War, Queen of the Heavens and Patron of whores. And believed to be a proto-Eve that appears in a a very similar tree myth from an epic about immortality, Gilgamesh, just like the other Yonko do, the Serpent, the Gryphon and the Ghost Maiden. If Whitebeard is the Father, and Blackbeard the Devil, then all Yonko relate to these tree myths.

And this is also what the Whale Tree is all about. A tree is a symbol for the universe and a whale is a symbol for God.


Now a bit more into predictions:

The Phoenix represents rebirth. Hawkins predicted the death of a certain someone, and that someone is Luffy and it will be Marco who will revive him with the help of Law, but dieing himself in the process.

And this is a tragedy, because Luffy is NOT Joyboy. And the same constellation was present at Marineford, too, just Law had no reason to revive Ace as he didn't knew him and Marco didn't knew Law.

Wano arc has a theater theme and Life is either funny or sad, SAD and SMILE are also the central themes of Ace, represented on his head via drama masks. Comedy and Tragedy...

But rejoice, the message is that the prophecy is bullshit and Luffy will save the world regardless of it.
Have to expand here because there is more evidence:

As the fourth rider of the apocalypse, Christ returns on a white Horse.

There is also a messianic figure in Hinduism, Kalki, the tenth Avatar of Vishnu, who rejuvenates existence and ends the darkest and destructive period by removing adharma. And he rides a white horse, wielding a flaming sword.

Now, let's have a look at Ace's ship, the Piece of Spadille.

It's a White Horse!

There is also another White Horse character, Cavendish. And he is a Pirate Prince with a Drama Mask theme... Coincidence? I think not!
 

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Shanks relying on his strength is besides the point. Sure, he uses his strength but invariably in order to avoid bigger bloodier conflicts. Sure, he risked a war with kaido but without a doubt had kaido gotten to marineford the conflict would have been much worst. He risked a fight with WB but shanks was perfectly aware of how big a conflict could come out of ace's quest. At marineford I would argue the context was a little bit different. The marines and WB pirates at that point were largely spent. Either force had exactly zero chance of winning against a fully rested yonko crew at the height of its power. There was no real risk to shanks in this scenario, just any force that went against them would be defeated.

And sure, shanks is willing to fight... but it is a fact that shanks has invariably acted to prevent shit storms. It's also possible shanks has changed since the higuma days. It's been a long decade since then....


Shanks is not pacifist. If he were, he wouldn't encourage Luffy to become Pirate King. Someone who knows what being PK means know it means finding One Piece meaning he's not discouraging anyone from what comes with finding One Piece which both Whitebeard and Otohime have told us.

What Shanks is... is someone that doesn't want useless conflict or bloodshed. He went to Whitebeard to stop Ace from going after Blackbeard. He didn't say they shouldn't fight... he just say "NOW is not the time for them to fight".



He stopped Kaido not just because he could make the conflict at Marineford was. He ultimately went to Marineford because:
  • If Whitebeard dies... the seas would become chaotic and erratic.
One huge thing in One Piece is balance. Balance maintains relative peace. More so, Blackbeard's involvement spelt bad news given that he's ambitious, Shanks knew this. He just didn't want Blackbeard to rise to power and he wanted the younger generation (Ace/Luffy) to grow under less chaotic situations. He's also aware that Ace was the son of Roger.

If Shanks simply wanted to stop chaos, he'd be in Wano on hearing that Big Mom and Kaido were making an alliance.

Shanks ultimately wanted to maintain peace not just for the sake of it:
  • But also because he probably knew if Ace went to Marineford... Luffy would also go. He knew Ace was Luffy's brother and he knew that Luffy was the kind to save people he loves. He wanted to save his life or rather... ensure he lives long enough to fulfil his ambition.
Ultimately, Shanks wants Luffy to become Pirate King.

All Shanks is really doing is not stopping conflict for the sake of it, he's trying to prevent it probably because it's not beneficial to his agenda.

Shanks appears like he's a pacifist or at least, we know he's a sensible person who doesn't fight for no reason which is why the WG respect him and accept his audience. In fact, they believe he's not interested in One Piece, so more reason to allow him such privileges.

Shanks wants peace only until the appointed time; WG want peace to ensure they stay in Power until now that they have a power to counter the Emperors and abolish the Shichibukai system. They appear to have mutual goals, but they have different reasons behind peace.

Here is my idea: Shanks will try to stop luffy from reaching OP. Not to claim it himself but rather because of what the consequences of reaching OP are.


The Novel also makes it clear Luffy's returning the hat after he becomes Pirate King. Luffy's still going to have to fight him and defeat him meaning Luffy and Shanks will meet twice at least. Once on his way to fulfil the goal of finding One Piece, and once more after he's found One Piece which will make him PK.

I wouldn't be surprised if Shanks and all the allies he's accumulated assists Luffy in taking down the WG after Luffy becomes Pirate King for the final war.

Shanks however is not a guy just looking to stop wars, he's definitely no pacifist especially having a bounty of 4 billion.
 

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[Crackpot theory]I am starting to think DFs and seastones are more like from the DCverse than just acting like Kryptonites.... Maybe something of the sorts of a planet or a moon got destroyed and materials from there got settled on the OP planet, organiclike material corrupted to devil fruits and inorganic spread around like seastones or dissolved into the seas....
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But more evidence for the Ace stuff: Ace's visual design is inspired by Stevie Ray Vaughan. His flame shaped guitar is named "Number One" (like the Ace is the Number One) and it was previously owned by someone who named himself Christopher Cross...
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I am the Pirate King. Proof in 5 years. Might be my last post in this thread until then. Depends on what happens.

I am sorry, but I think...

I have found the One Piece. And it really made me laugh. Continue enjoying this story, it will be awesome!
 

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He said he gave his arm up for the future- so what sense would it then make for him to stand in the way?
The future he sees is one where him and Luffy stop conflict not start it, he knew from the get go that Luffy was Garp's grandson and might have thought like Garp, Luffy would want to make the seas safe but alas Luffy wants One Piece while its different for Shanks, he probably doesn't want anyone to get it since he could have gotten it anytime with the knowledge he has, it also wouldn't be a shocker if he took the poneglyph from Fighmen Island and is holding on to it so no one ever finds One Piece.
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The thing is every yonko has the ambition to be PK, with only Whitebeard wanting to make Ace PK, but even that was still him actively trying to aim for OP, while Shanks on the other hand his every move is of him trying to stop conflicts, out of all the yonko he is the one with the most knowledge on how to reach Laugh Tale but he is not aiming for it, rather he goes around trying to stop Ace, Whitebeard, Kaido and he is even talking with the tenryuubito about stoping pirates, that for me just shows Shanks simply wants to stop others from starting wars, and he will most likely try to stop Luffy from being PK since it would start a war.
 

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Do you think one of Namis orange fruits became a devil fruit?
 

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Do you think one of Namis orange fruits became a devil fruit?

such an odd addition to the boat considering nothing has ever been done with them... you don't even see nami eating them.

so maybe.... luffy dies at the end and his fruit shows back up on the boat.:oooh
 

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Scooper Gaban = Green Bull.

Also my headcanon favorit:

Luffy will call the shichibukai to the war against the WG with the promise in a win to give them their status back.

Boa will follow. Law, Jinbei are already allies. Mihawk kinda... Buggy wants the status and croc probably too. Even Edward Weevil(?) could be interested in this.
 

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what if Green bull is actually Gaimon who ate an OP devil fruit!
 

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another theory:
Capone Bege joins blackbeard pirates, or makes a deal with them. He provides information exchange to Big Mom, providing her the Mother Carmel information.
Catarina Devon uses that information, changes into Mother Carmel and creates that shocking feeling of Big Mom allowing BB pirates to execute her and take her devil fruit....
 

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another theory:
Capone Bege joins blackbeard pirates, or makes a deal with them. He provides information exchange to Big Mom, providing her the Mother Carmel information.
Catarina Devon uses that information, changes into Mother Carmel and creates that shocking feeling of Big Mom allowing BB pirates to execute her and take her devil fruit....
Now, let's track which characters have which info (like Caribou has Poseidon info) for future predictions.
 
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