Discussion Crazy Theory: Phantaminium is Headon

[arrowofsky]

With this, everything starts to make sense again

 

[Ray Barracuda]

Headon is a servant to the Tower's will.


Phantaminum is King.


Nah, it wouldn't fly really well.

 

[arrowofsky]

Headon is a servant to the Tower's will.


Phantaminum is King.


Nah, it wouldn't fly really well.

He can be as servant as Mago is a servant to her worshipper's will.
After all, as Hwa Ryun said, "A god who does not fulfil the wills of his/her followers, is useless."

 

[Ray Barracuda]

He can be as servant as Mago is a servant to her worshipper's will.
After all, as Hwa Ryun said, "A god who does not fulfil the wills of his/her followers, is useless."

Phantaminum doesn't fulfill wishes tho, we don't know the reason for why he does anything except that he's an enigma.


But fulfilling wishes is what his servants do, they're the ones who "attend to the masses" basically.


Also can I know what you mean by Mago being a servant to her worshipers will.

 

[arrowofsky]

Phantaminum doesn't fulfill wishes tho, we don't know the reason for why he does anything except that he's an enigma.

I am just guessing but the idea is really intriguing. Him going to the Zahard's floor, dropping flowers anywhere in tower, maybe even directing Enryu to a specific place if they are related, all are only practical when you are like Headon and go wherever you want.

But fulfilling wishes is what his servants do, they're the ones who "attend to the masses" basically.

This can still count, you know.

Also can I know what you mean by Mago being a servant to her worshipers will.

Even when she was dormant, Leo touched her flower and his wish sort of realized. That is what I mean, we also see her actively giving a needle to a regular but that is an exception. She seems to be a natural wish granter.

 

[Ray Barracuda]

Even when she was dormant, Leo touched her flower and his wish sort of realized. That is what I mean, we also see her actively giving a needle to a regular but that is an exception. She seems to be a natural wish granter.

Ohh, yeah she's the genie in the lamp except not beholden to the lamp and three wishes limit.


Basically the evil genie.

I am just guessing but the idea is really intriguing. Him going to the Zahard's floor, dropping flowers anywhere in tower, maybe even directing Enryu to a specific place if they are related, all are only practical when you are like Headon and go wherever you want.

Ehn, if we go by the blogs Headon hates Enryu quite a bit.

 

[arrowofsky]

Ehn, if we go by the blogs Headon hates Enryu quite a bit.

Maybe we should separately consider Enryu case. I would not be surprised if his actual aim was going to the Zahard's castle but he only managed to enter Floor 43, and rather than doing the blow to Zahard, just left the weapon for someone else to later use against Zahard. But we have even less info on Enryu than Phanta espeicially after the spinoff.

 

[Ray Barracuda]

Maybe we should separately consider Enryu case. I would not be surprised if his actual aim was going to the Zahard's castle but he only managed to enter Floor 43, and rather than doing the blow to Zahard, just left the weapon for someone else to later use against Zahard. But we have even less info on Enryu than Phanta espeicially after the spinoff.

Nahh, I that'd defeat the whole purpose of being a messenger and prophesizing Baam's entrance.


Enryu already went off course by killing an Admin which wasn't intended, had he gone straight to Zahard's floor and things went sideways the story might've really ended early as heck.

 

[arrowofsky]

Enryu already went off course by killing an Admin which wasn't intended, had he gone straight to Zahard's floor and things went sideways the story might've really ended early as heck.

Exactly that may be the reason we have a story now

 

[maverickframe_19]

Crazy that you would even think that LOL, but no chance, man!

 

[arrowofsky]

The way he was wary of bringing Urek to the ToG though, and there are other hints, too!

I also keep wondering, Rachel and Baam entered ToG via Headon's floor's door directly. It is a floor that can be visited by Yuri and Evan. Could not they just tried to open that door again? It is not like Headon is there all the time anyway.

 

[FoLLeN]

The way he was wary of bringing Urek to the ToG though, and there are other hints, too!

I also keep wondering, Rachel and Baam entered ToG via Headon's floor's door directly. It is a floor that can be visited by Yuri and Evan. Could not they just tried to open that door again? It is not like Headon is there all the time anyway.

But you may dont remember but that is someones eyes behind hedon at first floor who watches ? hedon and that someone is there so even if therr is no hedon always 24/7 srill that another one is there

 

[arrowofsky]

But you may dont remember but that is someones eyes behind hedon at first floor who watches ? hedon and that someone is there so even if therr is no hedon always 24/7 srill that another one is there

Are you referring the shadow like figure with eye-like points right under murals?
Let's assume so. I mean, you can watch to deter thieves, it would not deter people that would like to get out though, because they will quit anyway.

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I am not sure but, maybe the place Rachel and Baam lived before ToG also had shinsoo. When the door to Headon's Floor was opened by Baam, there was no wind of shinsoo or anything. It also explains how Baam was so comfortable in passing Lero Ro's shinsooish wall, almost equal and better than Rak or Koon AA.

 

[maverickframe_19]

The way he was wary of bringing Urek to the ToG though, and there are other hints, too!

I also keep wondering, Rachel and Baam entered ToG via Headon's floor's door directly. It is a floor that can be visited by Yuri and Evan. Could not they just tried to open that door again? It is not like Headon is there all the time anyway.

Bro, I'm not going to stop you from believing in your theory; there's always the possibility of a black zetsu-type surprise, but I think it's extremely unlikely. However, you deserve credit for thinking outside the box.

 

[V_TheHiddenAxis]

Not possible brother

 

[arrowofsky]

Bro, I'm not going to stop you from believing in your theory; there's always the possibility of a black zetsu-type surprise, but I think it's extremely unlikely. However, you deserve credit for thinking outside the box.

I am not believing any shit just provide your interpretation on the differences in the following:

1-] Rachel is teleported through the door after running a lot but was not really there yet -> Irregular entry type no.1
2-] Baam opens the door manually -> Irregular entry type no.2
3-] Urek was called by Headon directly, as if Headon grabbing people within Tower -> Irregular entry type no.3
4-] Enryu opens the door by a portal -> Irregular entry type no.4

Speculatives

5-] Mago entered Tower as a gem (like how Koon A.A. carried a bag of thugs through Lero Ro's shinsoo wall
6-] Phantaminium?
7-] GWs?

Think about the easiest entries, and why so.

 

[maverickframe_19]

-] Urek was called by Headon directly, as if Headon grabbing people within Tower -> Irregular entry type no.3

Didn't Urek open the tower doors himself while chasing Phanta, and then Headon greet him? Similar to how Baam opened the door while chasing Rachel?

 

[arrowofsky]

Didn't Urek open the tower doors himself while chasing Phanta, and then Headon greet him? Similar to how Baam opened the door while chasing Rachel?

Nope, he is quite dissimilar actually. I reread the first chapter of spinoff. He ended up "already" in the tower before Headon come to greet. We directly start with "Somewhere in the tower"

Tower of God: Urek Mazino - Ep. 1 - The Floor of Tests

You know him as the legendary Ranker, Urek Mazino—but once, he was just another Regular, climbing the Tower alongside both teammates and enemies. What awaits him after charging into the Tower, chasing after Phantaminum? Whatever it is he desires... will he find it there?

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Headon first invites, but then understands something out of him and tried to take its offer back. Urek himself was lost, no idea how to get in the tower. While Baam knowingly went there.

To be frank, I am not the first one to hint at potential similarities between Phanta and Headon, where we especially see the "eyes within the mouth" face only in two of them, like you decompress, change a costume and become Headon. But I digress.

I find it hard to believe that Phanta old school climbed the tower and get to the top, then it was easy for him to go different floors etc. Furthermore:

>>Leo knows about Phantaminium before Mago awakened, (2nd floor)
>>Asa grabs the Mago's island from another unspecified floor, (another floor)
>>Phantaminium storms Zahard's castle (yet another floor)

The only person who did not climb the tower and can wander everywhere without any shinsoo governance restriction or responsibility: Headon. Even if you admin kill your way, it only carry you one more floor. If there are Phantaminium-pro Admins, that may explain some things still but would even be weirder.

 

[maverickframe_19]

Nope, he is quite dissimilar actually. I reread the first chapter of spinoff. He ended up "already" in the tower before Headon come to greet. We directly start with "Somewhere in the tower"

Tower of God: Urek Mazino - Ep. 1 - The Floor of Tests

You know him as the legendary Ranker, Urek Mazino—but once, he was just another Regular, climbing the Tower alongside both teammates and enemies. What awaits him after charging into the Tower, chasing after Phantaminum? Whatever it is he desires... will he find it there?

www.webtoons.com

Headon first invites, but then understands something out of him and tried to take its offer back. Urek himself was lost, no idea how to get in the tower. While Baam knowingly went there.

To be frank, I am not the first one to hint at potential similarities between Phanta and Headon, where we especially see the "eyes within the mouth" face only in two of them, like you decompress, change a costume and become Headon. But I digress.

I find it hard to believe that Phanta old school climbed the tower and get to the top, then it was easy for him to go different floors etc. Furthermore:

>>Leo knows about Phantaminium before Mago awakened, (2nd floor)
>>Asa grabs the Mago's island from another unspecified floor, (another floor)
>>Phantaminium storms Zahard's castle (yet another floor)

The only person who did not climb the tower and can wander everywhere without any shinsoo governance restriction or responsibility: Headon. Even if you admin kill your way, it only carry you one more floor. If there are Phantaminium-pro Admins, that may explain some things still but would even be weirder.

Okay, tell me this. Why did the tower create Lou as an antibody to help resolve the timeline issue? Isn't Headon the Tower's caretaker? If Phanta is Headon, as you claim, then the tower should not have created Lou as a countermeasure.

 

[arrowofsky]

Okay, tell me this. Why did the tower create Lou as an antibody to help resolve the timeline issue? Isn't Headon the Tower's caretaker? If Phanta is Headon, as you claim, then the tower should not have created Lou as a countermeasure.

Ok for this post let me just objectively look at this without invoking Headon == Phanta.

Antibodies are created autonomously, it does not really require forced will or conscious. You can even willingly get sick as was in COVID parties back then. In other words, even Headon (Phanta) as a caretaker does not prevent Lou.

Furthermore, I am suspicious of Headon's role. As of now, many things he does is tiny compared to the Phantaminium scale. Yet, seeing after how Mago empowers herself, letting people climb for 134 floor just to disappoint them sounds like a Shiny one thing to me. Imagine the boost Mago would get from that. Selecting people with a desire specifically to let them climb, but not the other ones who maybe more suited to climbing. I believe this spinoff should let us see the bigger game in the ToG and the system more, so I am looking at it from this perspective.