Discussion Crews strength - what you expect from now on

[jorped]

i expect Zoro to still be weaker than Hawk and it can't happen other way, cuz thought they needed to become stronger during these 2 years, they can't be stronger now than some elite of pirates or the elite of the marine , we will need to see them growing some times!

but is it going to be enough 10 members ??? most of the pirates crews have much more than it, i don't see Luffy and the others winning against a big and a well know crew , only with 10 members, but i also understand how much difficult would be for Oda to raise the crew number, and in the end its not only about the one piece but yes about being also the pirate king , someone that is praised by the other pirates.
Is 10 members enough to hold that responsibility and that position?

 

[zelllogan]

Strawhats are composed of elite members. Each member will probably be at least as strong as Whitebeard captains (at the end of the manga).
And The weaker strawhats (nami & usopp) are great "fodder disposal devices". So, they don't need more than 10 members.

 

[Wisshard]

no sir you are wrong......

In his introduction, Whitebeard was presented with an information box where the-all-knowing narrator (Oda) told us that however sickly that old guy hooked up on tubes appeared, he was the strongest man in the world.

Consequently, whether Whitebeard was the strongest fellow around or not is not a subject open for argument; Whitebeard was the strongest, old and sick as he was, and that is that.

Now, obviously Whitebeard has gradually declined since his heyday because of age and illness (e.g. Marco highlights that Whitebeard's reflexes and/or CoO used to be out of this world) and he would have continued to deteriorate, had he lived through the war (hence, Whitebeard plainly wouldn't have remained the strongest man in the world forever).

i mean WB had 1600 crew members and an additional 43 pirate crews go to marineford with him. a crew with have to be crazy to want to take on WB.

That is an absurd argument to make. Commanding formidable military forces doesn't mean that you can't be strong(est); in fact, basically all of the strongest combatants alive commands similarly/stronger military forces than Whitebeard did (e.g. Dragon, the other Yonkou's, The Fleet Admiral and the Admirals).

if the strawhats fought an admiral to the death, they probably would win, [...]if they all jumoed on shanks, i think they would be slaughtered.

^You really think that there is such a significant gap between Shanks and the Admirals...?

 

[chess4]

In his introduction, Whitebeard was presented with an information box where the-all-knowing narrator (Oda) told us that however sickly that old guy hooked up on tubes appeared, he was the strongest man in the world.

Consequently, whether Whitebeard was the strongest fellow around or not is not a subject open for argument; Whitebeard was the strongest, old and sick as he was, and that is that.

Now, obviously Whitebeard has gradually declined since his heyday because of age and illness (e.g. Marco highlights that Whitebeard's reflexes and/or CoO used to be out of this world) and he would have continued to deteriorate, had he lived through the war (hence, Whitebeard plainly wouldn't have remained the strongest man in the world forever).


That is an absurd argument to make. Commanding formidable military forces doesn't mean that you can't be strong(est); in fact, basically all of the strongest combatants alive commands similarly/stronger military forces than Whitebeard did (e.g. Dragon, the other Yonkou's, The Fleet Admiral and the Admirals).


^You really think that there is such a significant gap between Shanks and the Admirals...?

i do! the admirals a so feared because of their logia ability, but i think shanks has full control over all 3 forms of haki. yes i kmow that the admirals possess haki as well.

jozu, ace, and marco were on par with the aokiji and kizaru. the only reason jozu lost to aokiji and marco to kizaru was because they were concerned about WB. Shanks imo opinion is stronger than them.


i mean an outta shape rayleigh held serve against kizaru. shanks is the best of the best.

 

[Uriel]

You've to think that "The strongest man in the world" was a tittle given by World Government after Roger's death. When was introduced by Oda, the epitaph was to introduce him as the world knows him, to measure how dangerous He was. It's not a state that confirms that He's the current strongest man in the world, but the one who holds that tittle "officially" in the world's diegesis.

Let's try to not take some things as bible when Oda doesn't intend so. Most introductions are literate methods and resources of storytelling.

but is it going to be enough 10 members ??? most of the pirates crews have much more than it, i don't see Luffy and the others winning against a big and a well know crew , only with 10 members, but i also understand how much difficult would be for Oda to raise the crew number, and in the end its not only about the one piece but yes about being also the pirate king , someone that is praised by the other pirates.
Is 10 members enough to hold that responsibility and that position?

Allies counts as well if we talk about war and such. Anyway, Strawhats are the crew of the next pirate King. They 10 must be the best in the world in their roles and strongest than anyone else in what they do.
Even Nami being weak doesn't mean She can't fight strong opponents, means that the strongest will fight Luffy. Get what I'm trying to say?

 

[Jorge D. Dragon]

Even though they will be strongest in their roles in the future, I do believe that they will need more than 10 crew members aside of Luffy, cause it's imposible to fight when you are ganged for example by 3 Admirals and 10 Vice Admirals even though you are best of the best. Even WB's crew didn't need that much attention in the fight.

 

[Rosebullet Teacher]

Brooke has shown some basic old school Brooke fencing, but just think how 2 years of playing can be used offensively.

Whenever hes fought recently it hasnt been against serious opponents & his nakama have been around. Theres a part of the ear responsible for balance, I think that could be hurt with some sonic manipulation maybe his sound based attacks would've affected all those around him. We have seen Apoo use sound waves for attack, im thinking of Brooke using the waves & transferring the vibration through his sword to an enemy causing nausea, bouncing sound off walls too.

I couldnt think of as many as i thought i could, but basically its like the Patton Oswalt joke about rock stars warping reality with their skills, flebbity flooba fleeb!

FuS

 

[Ninja_Pirate]

. We have seen Apoo use sound waves for attack, im thinking of Brooke using the waves & transferring the vibration through his sword to an enemy causing nausea, bouncing sound off walls too.


FuS

Isnt that Apoos devil fruit

 

[kkck]

Isnt that Apoos devil fruit

This is just my opinion but I think apoo's fruit just allows him to transform his body into musical instruments. The part where his music makes stuff explode would be independent. In that scenario it would make sense for brook to be capable of acquiring such skills.

 

[Uriel]

Even though they will be strongest in their roles in the future, I do believe that they will need more than 10 crew members aside of Luffy, cause it's imposible to fight when you are ganged for example by 3 Admirals and 10 Vice Admirals even though you are best of the best. Even WB's crew didn't need that much attention in the fight.

3 Admirals versus the Monster Trio.

Anyway, I DOUBT they will fight W.G. by themselves. Allies will show up if the scenario happens.

 

[Jorge D. Dragon]

LordUriel
I actually doubt that they would be so strong to take down Admirals by themself. I can see Luffy taking down the Admiral and might be Zoro, but barely practically dying. If all three of them will take down an Admiral it would mean that every one of them will be stronger than Whitebeard...
Also I can't see the crew fighting all the top Marine's fighters. If Monster Trio takes 3 Admirals then other 7 or 8 will take 10 Vice Admirals? Give me a break.
I hope they will have bigger crew. At least more than 10 people exept Luffy. And also I think they will fight with Revolutionary Army as allies.

 

[Uriel]

Why not? They suppose to be the next pirate king crew. They should be stronger than Whitebeard.
I'm not saying NOW though. You've no faith, huh? xD

 

[Schabrak]

Jorge D. Dragon
Yeah we got it... you want ["crew number"-"Monster Trio"+X] Vice-Admirals and we probably got over two dozen at the end of the manga, but why can't you see the Mugiwaras grow that much? They have potential and their growth from East Blue to SA is likely just as big as what they have to grow from their current upgraded versions to be able to defeat BB. As we've seen from Coby chracters are able to grow at an immense speed.

Whitebeard commanders were never said to be on a special level[Shichibukai/VA/...] and neither had Oda the time to give each of them a fight in the chaos to show of many of them, as they are just secondary characters. Would you say the same about Shanks crew not being able to take just the top of the Marines from their appearance in the war?[Not win or lose]

 

[kkck]

I still think that in their current condition the best case scenario is that the monster trio can hold their ground against an admiral but even then winning the fight is a bit too much. We have to remember that in the first half of the series luffy and co were outright to weak to make an assessment of how they compared to actual strong people. Back then with the level of strength they had a commander or an admiral wouldn't have noticed if the strawhats were ten times stronger or weaker, they would have been butchered by such people with virtually the same amount of effort in either case. It is just now that we can begin to compare the strength of the people we saw during the war arc against the strawhats since it is just now that it should approach the same scale. IMO, as I said before, they could hold their ground against strong people but oda has left enough ambiguity out there so that there is still a probability that people such as the admirals, commanders or yonkou could still take the entire strawhat crew on their own (although not necessarily with the same ease).

 

[Jorge D. Dragon]

LordUriel
Even though they are going to be the crew of the next Pirate King I don't believe that they will be individually strong enough to take down Admirals and Vice Admirals. I can see Zoro and Sanji ganging an Admiral in the future, but both of them not only will need to master Haki, but master it to a great extent. For Zoro or Sanji to take down an Admiral means to surpass Whitebeard as he was during the War in Marineford. I hihgly doubt they will manage to do it.

Schabrak
I can see them growing and I hope they will grow, but still it would be a bit strange that the 10 persons would take down all the 13 or 14 of the top Marine soldiers by themselves. It would be a bit too much for them. I'm not saying they won't surpass WB commanders. I'm sure most of them will surpass WB commanders, but I don't think that Zoro or Sanji will take down an Admiral on their own. WB will look useless.

Also about Shanks and his crew... I'd say that they wouldn't do better than Whitebeard and his crew. Of course after taking WB and his commanders Marines were drained and couldn't take down another Yonkou and his crew that easily, but I'm sure that even in that situation Shanks would loose many of his people, cause all the Admirals and the majority of Vice Admirals were ready to fight.

 

[Uriel]

Who says Zoro and Sanji does not have Haki already? There is NO sign that they don't.

We haven't even begin to see how strong they became.

 

[kkck]

Based on what the doctor from the marines said, haki is something that awakens with strength and experience. Zoro and sanji have both, there is no reason for them to not have haki really. The issue is to what extent it has been mastered. Zoro was trained by mihawk, someone who has been around for over 20 years and kicked more ass than several pirate crews combined. Haki should be as natural to him as it is to whitebeard, shanks or Rayleigh. If that is the case then it is only natural he would also teach zoro. Sanji was apparently trained by 100 okamas, and one of them would seem to be ivankov, an exceedingly powerful fighter. As we also saw with coby, stressful situations can also cause haki to awaken. Sanji's experience in okama island probably had a much greater impact on him than what the war had on coby. Basically, based on what we know at least for zoro haki should be seen as a certainty and in a worst case scenario sanji is just that close to acquiring it. Anyways, haki is something which all the crew should acquire with time, it is a must when it comes to fighting fruit users from the most part.

That said, I do think luffy, zoro and sanji will eventually be individually stronger than admirals. They will need at least that much to survive against powerful enemies.

 

[xeteboi]

Even though they are going to be the crew of the next Pirate King I don't believe that they will be individually strong enough to take down Admirals and Vice Admirals. I can see Zoro and Sanji ganging an Admiral in the future, but both of them not only will need to master Haki, but master it to a great extent. For Zoro or Sanji to take down an Admiral means to surpass Whitebeard as he was during the War in Marineford. I hihgly doubt they will manage to do it.

They dont really need to surpass Whitebeared coz He can handle an Admiral in a sick situation which means that a Whitebeared alone "which is not sick" is much for an Admiral.

 

[Jorge D. Dragon]

LordUriel
Exuse me, but until it's proven that they have and can use Haki neither Zoro nor Sanji has or can use it. I think it's logical.

xeteboi

They dont really need to surpass Whitebeared coz He can handle an Admiral in a sick situation which means that a Whitebeared alone "which is not sick" is much for an Admiral.

Actually Whitebeard couldn't inflict sufficient damage to KO any of the Admirals (even though he was sick he was called the strongest man), so I do believe that if Sanji or Zoro will KO and Admiral on their own they will surpass WB and that would be a bit insane.

I can see Zoro and Sanji ganging an Admiral, but not KO him on their own.

 

[xeteboi]

Actually Whitebeard couldn't inflict sufficient damage to KO any of the Admirals (even though he was sick he was called the strongest man), so I do believe that if Sanji or Zoro will KO and Admiral on their own they will surpass WB and that would be a bit insane.

So you mean that defeating an Admiral should be killing it by your word KO? Whitebeared inflicted Sakazuki with a great damage actually.

I don't care if he was called the strongest man even-though he is sick. What I'm pointing is that he can handle an admiral himself even if he was sick. The only chance that Sakazuki landed him a blow is because of his state "oldness and sickness" as far as what Ive watched in the anime. So a young and non sick Whitebeared would definitely win against a 1 on 1 battle on an Admiral.