Discussion Crews strength - what you expect from now on

[Uriel]

Re: what you expect from now on......

I don't expect Luffy to have a new gear but I expect him to have a lot of new attacks since he has a better control over his gears. He will probably surprise us a lot with his Gear 3 now that he keeps the air anywhere he wants in his body. He can create original attacks which are not upgraded normal attacks - you know classical attacks with the title Gigant before it. His Elephant Gun used against the Kraken is one example of this new mastering of Gear 3 and I'm really looking forward to seeing it.

And let's not forget that when he used it sea was already draining power of it.

If a weakened punch like that can do damage to a legendary Kraken, I can't imagine how many damage can deal in regular conditions.

 

[Jorge D. Dragon]

I'd say his Elefant gun can be one of the most devastating attacks in this manga for now, excluding the most powerful attacks from the Admirals and Enel

 

[Aramix]

About the Luffy's uses of haki and gear. For two years Luffy lived with animals. So there probably will be more animal-based attacks, like tiger gun, or snake gatling, something like that. And they'll have interesting effects, like tiger gun will cut the skin like knifes, snake gatling stun opponents and something like that

 

[Aikidoka]

About the Luffy's uses of haki and gear. For two years Luffy lived with animals. So there probably will be more animal-based attacks, like tiger gun, or snake gatling, something like that. And they'll have interesting effects, like tiger gun will cut the skin like knifes, snake gatling stun opponents and something like that

Luffy's new attack Elephant Gun is actually named after a real-life hunter's rifle (wiki page here), which was built to take down large game like elephants. This fits with Luffy's theme of naming some of his attacks after guns (like the Pistol, Bazooka, Rifle, etc.). But it doesn't rule out your theory though -- Luffy could have new animal-themed attacks too; after all his attacks aren't named after just guns.

 

[vagabond87]

I see Luffy on Magellans level of strenght- stronger than most of VA but still inferior to Admirals

 

[DutchPhoenix]

Zoro , he's become really ruthless,

Eitherway,

2 years ago, the supernova's with their entire crew could barely beat 1 pacifista , and now we see zoro, sanji and luffy 1 hit k.oing them.

So all 3 of them are way stronger then any of the supernova of 2 years ago.


For current arc, the fishmen swordsman
-He blocked luffy's attack withoud too much trouble
-During the block, he poisened luffy
-Luffy would have died there due the poison if it wasnt for maggelen..

 

[J1nsan]

I think the next logical step for fighters of Sanji and Zoro's caliber is the acquiring of haki, which I think they most likely have now. If not both of them, Zoro for sure. The reason I possibly don't think Sanji doesn't is that he's learned Okama Kenpou and most likely just learned advanced technique and might have learned haki as well due to Ivankov being able to use haki. I believe his Death wink and any similar technique uses imbued haki as a basis for the destructiveness of said attack. Zoro's most likely learned haki as well since he learned under Mihawk who I think has shown us haki early on in the series. Mihawk cutting down Don Krieg's ships were most likely slashes imbued with haki.
Chopper has already shown us a new form in the kung fu point and his other forms have clearly upgraded. His reindeer form is larger and more mature looking and his guard point was large enough to cover the Sunny from attack under the sea. Who knows what other power ups his other forms got and how many new forms he has attained.

 

[Realtwisted]

I dont think the people who are in SH already without Df need Df. They were able to join for their respective skill they had and they are significant strong without then. With luffy case, i think he is good without a 4 or 5 gear mode, i dont want him to get kill himself. Third gear take a lot off his life spam.

 

[Jorge D. Dragon]

J1nsan
Where did you get impresion that Ivankov's Death Wink is Haki move? It's just an insane wink based on his DF's ability. If it had Haki in it he would be an actual match for Magelan in Impel Down or Akainu in Marineford, but he couldn't do anything against them.

Also about Mihawk cutting ships... unless it will be proven that he has Haki, we can assume that he doesn't have it. Also Zoro sliced a ship in half, but it doesn't show that he actually learned how to use Haki. In fact Zoro showed something like Colour of Observation in the battle against Mr1 in Arabasta, but he has to develop it and actually show it in the manga.

 

[J1nsan]

That's merely speculation on my part and what I think is possible with Haki. I don't think it's an impossibility since there has been mention of imbuing attacks and weapons with haki and that's why I said what I said. I also know there's no actual proof that Mihawk has haki but given that he's the greatest swordsman in the world and the fact that haki has proven to be such an integral part for powering up I'm assuming Mihawk does have haki. Whether Ivankov has it or not, I don't but but I'm pretty sure Mihawk does.

 

[Uriel]

I doubt a RA like him/her doesn't have Haki, actually. The fact that I did not see Dragon using it doesn't stop me assuring that He HAS Haki just by knowing his story.

So I would say Sanji possibly learned Haki from Ivankov.

 

[kkck]

To be completely honest I have very high expectations of the current strawhat pirates. Luffy right now has been a pirate for 3 years, almost the same time ace's own adventure lasted. During that that ace became a pirate with the sheer level to be a shichibukai, a commander of the WB pirates and he even showed he could hold an admiral at bay even if he could not necessarily win. Luffy has been a pirate for almost as long as ace and even spent 2 years exclusively training so I think he should be stronger than what ace was. Luffy should by all intents and purposes be able to at least hold his ground against people like admirals, VA or shichibukai even if not necessarily win (contrary to the time before the timeskip when luffy would be easily beaten by any such people under normal circumstances). Zoro and sanji have never been that behind him so I would expect roughly the same. Brook and franky should at least be quite a bit stronger than what luffy was before the timeskip and nami, ussop, robin and chopper should be at least the same as a supernova or more. The strawhat crew basically should be seen as a force in its own basically, not the rookie pirate crew from back in the day.

 

[Calisto]

I think Luffy is a mid - high tier now. Basically at Vice Admiral level.

 

[Jorge D. Dragon]

I don't understand why people see Zoro and Sanji not that far from Luffy?
In fact I'd say crew's bounties after Ennies Lobby were the best showcase of the difference between them. Luffy always fought the strongest opponents and those opponents were twice or sometimes even more powereful than Zoro's and also Zoro's were a bit stronger than Sanji's but I'd say that Zoro is considerably stronger than Sanji (the same proportion that is the difference between their bounties), cause Zoro is always fighting with some grave injuries that he always has from the previous arcs.
Ther most important part is that normally Luffy's opponent in every arc holds the power like Zoro's and Sanji's ultimate opponents combined, so it's just simple that they aren't at the same level.
Even though they are Monster Trio, it doesn't mean that all three of them hav roughly the same level of power.

Luffy also took down Kraken with one attack and I'd say not that many people in OP world exept Admirals and Enel can do it and the most important is that he did it in water and on a great depth, so on the land he should be even more powerful.

 

[vagabond87]

I don't understand why people see Zoro and Sanji not that far from Luffy?
In fact I'd say crew's bounties after Ennies Lobby were the best showcase of the difference between them. Luffy always fought the strongest opponents and those opponents were twice or sometimes even more powereful than Zoro's and also Zoro's were a bit stronger than Sanji's but I'd say that Zoro is considerably stronger than Sanji (the same proportion that is the difference between their bounties), cause Zoro is always fighting with some grave injuries that he always has from the previous arcs.
Ther most important part is that normally Luffy's opponent in every arc holds the power like Zoro's and Sanji's ultimate opponents combined, so it's just simple that they aren't at the same level.
Even though they are Monster Trio, it doesn't mean that all three of them hav roughly the same level of power.

Luffy also took down Kraken with one attack and I'd say not that many people in OP world exept Admirals and Enel can do it and the most important is that he did it in water and on a great depth, so on the land he should be even more powerful.

I disagree with many things from your post. Last part is ok btw
Monster Trio is not so far from Luffy in therms of strenght, they are behind him if we talk about willpower(Zoro is close and Sanji is making lot of progress and speed(Zoro always was close and Sanji is probably even closer after 2 years of running). If you wrote about Sanjis an Zoro opponents and that they power is like half of Luffys enemy power you are wrong. Kaku + Jyabura = Lucci? Only on paper. In ennies lobby arc Sanji showed us diable jambe, Zoro showed Asura and Luffy give us gears- Kaku and Jyabura were defeated after one "ultimate" attack of Sanji and Zoro and after that they were KO, Sanji and Zoro had to fight, run and even swim after fights with CP9. If belive that if they land asura or diable jambe on Lucci he would be damaged the same as after Luffys gear second attacks, and possibly even defeat him with those because heat for example cant be stopped by tekkai for what we know till now. The problem is that Sanji and Zoro werent as agile and fast as Luffy in G2.

If Sanji and Zoro spam their strongest techniques form start of their fights they would win easily over their enemies, Luffy wasnt even able to move an inch after his fight with Lucci, coock and marimo were far from being extremely exhausted.

So they arent equals but each of them are pretty close to each other(Luffy is D and have Kings haki so he always will be beast among beasts).

Zoro is most badass, Luffy is most epic and Sanji is the hero that saves the day with his mind- he is only slightly behind capitan and first mate.

 

[Uriel]

Why not? We have seen already fights between Zoro and Sanji. I would say they're on equal foot.

Bounties are proof of nothing, considering that Sanji is low-profile and Zoro is dumb-profile. :P

 

[kkck]

Jyabura and kaku had roughly the same doukiri and sanji and zoro won with roughly the same amount of dificulty though. I really don't see them being that far apart. Considering how both of them actually one shoted kaku and jyabura when they used their special techniques I would think that at least at that time they were roughly equal and closer to luffy than what was evident. Even when zoro and luffy fought (way back then though) they were fairly equal. I also don't see how training with mihawk is any different from training with raileigh. Sanji did not seem to get that good a teacher but he at least got 99 of them and ivankov who should still be very strong considering he did kick kuma around.

 

[zelllogan]

Jyabura and kaku had roughly the same doukiri and sanji and zoro won with roughly the same amount of dificulty though. I really don't see them being that far apart. Considering how both of them actually one shoted kaku and jyabura when they used their special techniques I would think that at least at that time they were roughly equal and closer to luffy than what was evident. Even when zoro and luffy fought (way back then though) they were fairly equal. I also don't see how training with mihawk is any different from training with raileigh. Sanji did not seem to get that good a teacher but he at least got 99 of them and ivankov who should still be very strong considering he did kick kuma around.

If you read zoro vs kaku & then sanji vs jyabura, Sanji had an easier fight than Zoro if you ask me.

It's obvious to think that Zoro is stronger than Sanji because Zoro almost always fight the second in command of any evil group. But it's also the only real reason to think that Zoro is stronger than Sanji .

Sanji is IMO as strong as Zoro. I give slightly the upperhand to Zoro because I think He is more focused but for the rest ... IMO, zoro is slightly more powerful while Sanji is slightly faster.

Anyways, I never read anything in the manga to prove me that Zoro is stronger than Sanji.

And after timeskip, they are still very close. The fight against the PX showed us this ...

 

[Uriel]

I don't know why people bring that fights into this without knowing exactly in what each training resulted. We don't know the limit yet and it's too early to predict it considering They're all in not the best place to showcase their abilities.

Anyway, If we will guide with CP9 fights, let's remember the level of our enemies (Douriki)
Rob Lucci: 4000 / vs Luffy
Kaku: 2200 / Vs Zoro
Jyabura: 2180 / Vs Sanji

So Sanji would have a fight SLIGHTY easier.

 

[kkck]

You have to consider luffy was pushed to his utmost extreme limits while sanji and zoro basically massacred kaku and jyabura with their special techniques and had it in them to take 100 marine captains. For that alone I don't think luffy is that far from either sanji or zoro. As for why this is brought up, simply because I believe the status quo in the crew remains and the difference remains largely the same. I think it would be largely anticlimatic if suddenly luffy represented 90% of the strawhats fighting capacity.