Current Yama vs Dumas

[V_TheHiddenAxis]

Can current Yama beat Dumas or give him a good fight?

Thoughts

 

[big094]

Yama is getting up there powerwise, hard to say where exactly he is at this point it time, but i think purely from a positional standpoint, i think dumas’ spears would be a good counter to him. Dumas for the most point is nononsense as well, i can see him going for the kill immediately. We have the unknown variable of akrinac too, so it would be a good fight. Shouldnt be a one sided slaughter

 

[Anne isn't a TT]

Dumas stomps Yama. Yama's a fraud, a L taker. But if I have to go for full analysis, I would say
Base Dumas > Base Yama(current one)
Dumas with his silver armour > Yama FT current one
Dumas with purple armour > Yama FT with Akrinark.

Hope this helps

 

[Demonspeed]

Proust should be stronger than Dumas so Yama wins.

 

[Shadowlord123]

Current Yama comfortably destroyed the barrier of one of the highest tier Light-Bearers in the Tower. He did this in Base with no Partial Transformations, Full Transformations, External Transformations, and sophisticated techniques.

Even putting Acrinak aside, I think he clears Dumas decisively.

 

[Lonatian]

Of course, Dumas is stronger than Yama in their last fight.

But Yama is currently buffed too much. It would be disappointing if he still couldn't beat Dumas.

 

[Anne isn't a TT]

People think yama can win because he destroyed the barrier of Proust. By this logic, Dumas also destroyed 2 divine sea animals of Rei without needing to transform, does that mean he is above Rei? Also, I think the rankings in a GF are like the overall rankings. They aren't accurate. Dumas seems to have killed many ancients based on what he talked about Rak. Sigh, smh

 

[Demonspeed]

People think yama can win because he destroyed the barrier of Proust. By this logic, Dumas also destroyed 2 divine sea animals of Rei without needing to transform, does that mean he is above Rei? Also, I think the rankings in a GF are like the overall rankings. They aren't accurate. Dumas seems to have killed many ancients based on what he talked about Rak. Sigh, smh

Traumerei wasn't trying and we have seen even a weaker Yama do something to his beasts. Breaking the barrier of the Po Bidau's N.2 and fellow Towerborn is very impressive.

 

[Anne isn't a TT]

Traumerei wasn't trying and we have seen even a weaker Yama do something to his beasts. Breaking the barrier of the Po Bidau's N.2 and fellow Towerborn is very impressive.

Yes Rei wasn't trying but U think Dumas was trying? What does yama doing sth to his beast even matter? IIRC, he just sliced kraken some tentacles. That's it. When Rapid emerged he just watched Rapid destroying yas as for Dumas tho it's not confirmed that vanquish is one of 3 WDs, still he one shot it, tho he lost his arms on process as he was caught off guard and killed multiple harpe.

It's too early to conclude yama can even hold a candle to Proust when we have seen nothing from him. And this thread is of Yama vs Dumas not Yama vs Proust. We don't even know if ranking is accurate.

Another 2 important info. Dumas is unkillable to Yama, so no matter how strong he becomes unless the difference is like Karaka and Kallavan where he was attempting to slice Karaka into pieces and put it into showcase, which is almost impossible for yama, yama will lose cause of stamina if they become equal in strength.

I believe u think, the fight is heavily dependent on akrinark power rather than FT, when dealing with dumas. When Dumas injured Rak, we were shown how surprised he was when he identified Rak as a native one, it shows he had a significant number of dealings with them in battlefield and he has experience with how to deal with ancients.

 

[Demonspeed]

Yes Rei wasn't trying but U think Dumas was trying? What does yama doing sth to his beast even matter? IIRC, he just sliced kraken some tentacles. That's it. When Rapid emerged he just watched Rapid destroying yas as for Dumas tho it's not confirmed that vanquish is one of 3 WDs, still he one shot it, tho he lost his arms on process as he was caught off guard and killed multiple harpe.

It's too early to conclude yama can even hold a candle to Proust when we have seen nothing from him. And this thread is of Yama vs Dumas not Yama vs Proust. We don't even know if ranking is accurate.

Another 2 important info. Dumas is unkillable to Yama, so no matter how strong he becomes unless the difference is like Karaka and Kallavan where he was attempting to slice Karaka into pieces and put it into showcase, which is almost impossible for yama, yama will lose cause of stamina if they become equal in strength.

I believe u think, the fight is heavily dependent on akrinark power rather than FT, when dealing with dumas. When Dumas injured Rak, we were shown how surprised he was when he identified Rak as a native one, it shows he had a significant number of dealings with them in battlefield and he has experience with how to deal with ancients.

Why would Dumas not try his best against a Family Head? You think he is stupid or what?

 

[Anne isn't a TT]

Why would Dumas not try his best against a Family Head? You think he is stupid or what?

Well we saw how he still has his purple armour transformation right?

Maybe he thought divine sea animals won't kill him as he has his armour. It's different thing if Rei attacked himself

 

[VON]

Dumas is still stronger from a feats standpoint.

I think we can all agree that Bam is easily stronger than Yama in firepower and he still got shat on. Even with Leviathan giving him part of Traumerei's power, Bam admitted that Dumas is STILL stronger than him. It seem clear to me that Dumas is stronger even removing the armor shenanigans and fighting with his true body.

 

[Demonspeed]

This one needs to be revisited as well... It's hard to bet on Yama now.

 

[Shadowlord123]

Yeah, Dumas is a damn monster. I'm no longer fully sure Yama clears without Acrinak.

I still expect Yama with all his power-ups to be above him at the end of the day, though. But that version of Yama is currently impossible to scale.

Furthermore, even if I think Yama will end up stronger, if he's got no answer for Dumas' immortality, then it could very well be he loses.

 

[zoradante1]

I think baam's comment about dumas's full power being not shown yet tells us that he is very likely strongest of PB family excluding gustang, he might not even show his full power againist Rei not like it could have made difference but i think outside of Arie,khun ha regents he might be one of the strongest regents in the tower. I dont see him winning againist dumas.

 

[Anne isn't a TT]

I think baam's comment about dumas's full power being not shown yet tells us that he is very likely strongest of PB family excluding gustang, he might not even show his full power againist Rei not like it could have made difference but i think outside of Arie,khun ha regents he might be one of the strongest regents in the tower. I dont see him winning againist dumas.

Well my understanding regarding that statement of bam is
When we saw real Dumas in 612, he said only a few characters made it inside his heart and all of them died without exception.
Bam is the only one to see his power and leave the chamber. So None knows how strong Dumas is except for bam.

 

[V_TheHiddenAxis]

I think baam's comment about dumas's full power being not shown yet tells us that he is very likely strongest of PB family excluding gustang, he might not even show his full power againist Rei not like it could have made difference but i think outside of Arie,khun ha regents he might be one of the strongest regents in the tower. I dont see him winning againist dumas.

Isn't proust > Dumas?

 

[zoradante1]

Isn't proust > Dumas?

the narrative says otherwise, i dont think they would hype him that much. He is most likely the strongest non-irregular we saw so far excluding luslec.

 

[kkck]

Given the more recent framing dumas got I think the most likely scenario is that for now dumas retains an edge. Proust is a bit of a weird character to me because lightbearing skills aren't ideal for offense. So we have to wait and see what he is actually capable of in combat. But naturally if proust is above or comparable to dumas then he should be stronger than yama. Yama is probably being built to stand up to at least the top members of the great families but it is impossible to tell if yama is at that level yet.

 

[Shadowlord123]

Isn't proust > Dumas?

Proust is ranked higher in the army, but we still don't know how the PB army ranks work. They might be related to more than just pure power, just like how the ranks of Rankers work. There are reasons to believe Dumas could be the stronger of the two:

1. Proust himself says that Dumas is the most reliable warrior in the Family.

2. Proust is (so far) just a Light-Bearer, He's only been shown to defend, support, and control the battlefield from the distance. If he and Dumas are on the same tier (pretty safe bet IMO), then it'd be natural to assume that the one more fighting-oriented (spear-bearer Dumas) is superior in 1v1 combat.

Still, we don't know much from Proust yet, so take it with a grain of salt. It's possible he's > Dumas.