Dark Change Baam vs Leviathan Baam

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--Dark change baam as he was during White's fight vs Baam who fought Dumas using Leviathan.

--Who wins/Which mode is stronger?
 

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I personally think both DC and levi baam are equals

DC Bam was strong enough to easily overwhelm white, a top 100 high ranker (I am not going to count the part where they were trying to take away each others powers). He was physically stronger than him, was able to generate shinshu that white can't cut through and had healing powers as well(he literally healed a severed head).

Meanwhile with dumas, who I personally think belongs to top 50, He put up a barely decent fight and when Dumas actually showed his true power, he was nearly annihilated.

But well we know that there is a significant gap between top 50 and top 100 based on dumas fights against yama and jinsung. So the fact that bam didn't outright died when dumas was using his true form is a pretty damn big feat in and of itself. I would say that this is actually better than overwhelming white.

However, Levi baam didn't show any healing power like DC bam, and it also looks like that when he can't use red and blue Thyrssia alongside levi claws. So that's a pretty bad debuff as well.
But levi baam was strong enough to use reverse flow control on Dumas to stop him so there's that.

Well at least imo it is a tie
 
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I'd give the edge to Leviathan Baam personally.

Dark Change Baam is strong. Well clear of the level of Corps Commanders. Had he fought White with killing intent, there's no doubt he'd have won easily (especially if he had decided to follow up on that attack that White barely blocked once). His eroding Shinsu is a plus that messes up with the Shinsu of the enemy over time. His stats are also impressive, despite Baam having never been a stat beast. He's got enough speed to keep up/outpace Prime White. His physical punches are strong enough to push him back through his guard, and his body is tough enough to withstand some basic slashes from him. He's incredibly solid overall.

However, I want to elaborate on Leviathan Baam. I feel like he isn't given enough credit. He was able to damage, push back a bit, and paralyze half of all-out real Dumas' body. Even if he wasn't on his level, he still proved to be an annoyance to him.

To put the magnitude of these feats into perspective, you have to think about how insanely strong Dumas is. In his armor form, before any transformation or Rosario Ignition, he was dominating Jinsung. Had Dumas gone for the kill, Jinsung would've taken lethal damage (potentially die) briefly after the match starting. Then, upon transforming for the first time and igniting Rosario, he instantly negged Jinsung, FT Yama, Karaka and Base Baam at once. Now, Jinsung and FT Yama weren't at their best, but regardless, these are really impressive feats.

Then we find out that armor Dumas can transform even more (pink form). Judging by the gap in performance against the BHs (his severely nerfed armless self went from being one-sidedly pushed back to easily slaughtering them), this form is a huge boost in power. It can't be compared whatsoever with the previous form.

Then you have the real Dumas. He's stated to be much stronger than his armor self. His body is simply on another level judging by how he can no-sell Baam's Twin Wings attack in Base (the same attack from a much weaker version of Baam nearly ripped off Kallavan's arm). When going all-out, Baam feels a form of reminiscence between him and a fucking FH. Before anyone jumps, no, I don't think Dumas is anywhere near a FH. Baam is simply reacting more strongly towards him because he can comprehend his power, unlike the fractions of the FHs/Urek/Zahard he has seen (that he can't scale yet). Still, one can't deny it's insane portrayal, which only adds up to his monstrous scaling by feats.

Levi Baam was able to injure, somewhat push back, paralyze part of the body, and overall annoy such a being. By de facto, I'd say this puts him immensely above CC Tier. Honestly, more so than Dark Change Baam IMO.
 

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I'd give the edge to Leviathan Baam personally.

Dark Change Baam is strong. Well clear of the level of Corps Commanders. Had he fought White with killing intent, there's no doubt he'd have won easily (especially if he had decided to follow up on that attack that White barely blocked once). His eroding Shinsu is a plus that messes up with the Shinsu of the enemy over time. His stats are also impressive, despite Baam having never been a stat beast. He's got enough speed to keep up/outpace Prime White. His physical punches are strong enough to push him back through his guard, and his body is tough enough to withstand some basic slashes from him. He's incredibly solid overall.

However, I want to elaborate on Leviathan Baam. I feel like he isn't given enough credit. He was able to damage, push back a bit, and paralyze half of all-out real Dumas' body. Even if he wasn't on his level, he still proved to be an annoyance to him.

To put the magnitude of these feats into perspective, you have to think about how insanely strong Dumas is. In his armor form, before any transformation or Rosario Ignition, he was dominating Jinsung. Had Dumas gone for the kill, Jinsung would've taken lethal damage (potentially die) briefly after the match starting. Then, upon transforming for the first time and igniting Rosario, he instantly negged Jinsung, FT Yama, Karaka and Base Baam at once. Now, Jinsung and FT Yama weren't at their best, but regardless, these are really impressive feats.

Then we find out that armor Dumas can transform even more (pink form). Judging by the gap in performance against the BHs (his severely nerfed armless self went from being one-sidedly pushed back to easily slaughtering them), this form is a huge boost in power. It can't be compared whatsoever with the previous form.

Then you have the real Dumas. He's stated to be much stronger than his armor self. His body is simply on another level judging by how he can no-sell Baam's Twin Wings attack in Base (the same attack from a much weaker version of Baam nearly ripped off Kallavan's arm). When going all-out, Baam feels a form of reminiscence between him and a fucking FH. Before anyone jumps, no, I don't think Dumas is anywhere near a FH. Baam is simply reacting more strongly towards him because he can comprehend his power, unlike the fractions of the FHs/Urek/Zahard he has seen (that he can't scale yet). Still, one can't deny it's insane portrayal, which only adds up to his monstrous scaling by feats.

Levi Baam was able to injure, somewhat push back, paralyze part of the body, and overall annoy such a being. By de facto, I'd say this puts him immensely above CC Tier. Honestly, more so than Dark Change Baam IMO.
Yeah levi Night was able to injure Dumas when he was going all out. Also, levi is still sealed. In the future dark charge might be stronger but levi form has the edge for now. I still doubt dark charge night would have felt Dumas strength like in levi form. It was Ray's power that made it possible for night to perceive his power. Also, levi is like Valhalla on par with 10 GFLs. No matter what I don't think Dark charge will instantly make him close to GFLs level. That will instantly break the power scale. While even if levi is still 1 percent of Ray's power, no doubt he will be close to GFLs realm as it holds Ray's power.
 

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So, I was thinking about this. In the recent chapter, Enkidu slashed baam and the "V" line.
Do you guys think that Slash was the final fuel to wake V up, or does it probably need to be fed more?
 

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So, I was thinking about this. In the recent chapter, Enkidu slashed baam and the "V" line.
Do you guys think that Slash was the final fuel to wake V up, or does it probably need to be fed more?
Off topic to this thread, but YES. The only logic I can think of for showing that panel, was V getting another 'touch' of enkidu who hates the FHs, and with the current fight enkidu saying he's getting stronger, and I don't think bam will be given a easy win against him (again, even though with his powerups he could win easily ig), so when things get problematic, V will come up.
I am interested to see what V does to the fight. With bam, problematic to bam, or something totally different.
 

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Off-topic to this thread, but YES. The only logic I can think of for showing that panel, was V getting another 'touch' from Enkidu who hates the FHs, and with the current fight enkidu saying he's getting stronger, and I don't think bam will be given an easy win against him (again, even though with his powerups he could win easily in), so when things get problematic, V will come up.
I am interested to see what V does to the fight. With bam, problematic to bam, or something different.
It's relevant. The reason I brought that up is simply that when dark change bam went first through that form, it was the first instance that the line started to crack. If you go back to that chapter you can see it. So is V's power "The dark change mode"? And bam's outside god power is to devour everything that's in the tower? Because if that's the case, then at the last when Bam regains his sense of self and devours it, everything may come full circle.
Curious. What do you guys think about that?
 

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Also, levi is like Valhalla on par with 10 GFLs
What makes you think that valhalla or levi is on par with other fh?

Valhalla was destroyed by one of traum attacks, and he wasn't even in his true form. Levi also told baam that they would need the power of other 3 dragons of traum to have a chance defeating him. (Mind you, he still wasn't sure)
 

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What makes you think that valhalla or levi is on par with other fh?

Valhalla was destroyed by one of traum attacks, and he wasn't even in his true form. Levi also told baam that they would need the power of other 3 dragons of traum to have a chance defeating him. (Mind you, he still wasn't sure)
Leviathan + Valhalla + Rapid + maybe Vanquish (depends if you view it as a Sea Dragon) put together might amount to 50% of Traumerei's power.
 

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What makes you think that valhalla or levi is on par with other fh?

Valhalla was destroyed by one of traum attacks, and he wasn't even in his true form. Levi also told baam that they would need the power of other 3 dragons of traum to have a chance defeating him. (Mind you, he still wasn't sure)
Gustang commented on it. Valhalla's power is close to a FH, which makes sense because Valhalla is part of Traumerei himself.
 

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What? Bam at the point of his dark change almost lost against white. Bam with leviathan's powers managed to get dumas to take him seriously. Dumas, the same guy we saw completely wreck jinsung, karaka and simply could ignore yama. Dumas is on a completely different league from full power white.
 

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Dark Change is stronger.

Bam went from a fodder (barely a super HR top 300) to being outright stronger than prime White.

Leviathan Bam gave him the boost from CC tier to borderline Regent tier.

So if the current Bam activates Dark Change, he’d obviously supersedes his performance back during the Nest arc as his base got ridiculously stronger.

The last thing of note is that Leviathan is an external power while Dark Change seems to be Bam’s innate ability. We know DC will be his main source of power even in the future.

If you meant DC Bam (nest arc) vs Leviathan Bam (current) then obviously Leviathan Bam is stronger.
 

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Bam at the time of the dark change could go toe to toe with aria, a high ranker that replaces kallavans followers. And with boosts was already capable of injuring someone like kallavan. Not that much later just a bit of power from an uncompliant leviathan gave bam enough juice to engage with pudily.
 
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