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Discussion DGM Chapter 228 Discussion/229 Predictions

Discussion in 'Komui's Lab' started by riki, Jan 19, 2018.

  1. Lomahongva

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    Oh my bad!!! I was commuting while typing that post and it didn't save all what I wrote. In fact, I wanted to say if she wanted to change her current avi for a new one for that CP on HQ. IMO, it'd be a wonderful avi.

    So that piece of wood that changed Tim into ashes belonged to Marian. :O
     
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    11pages and nothing...really happened.....
    i guess another 3months of waiting for the next dgray chapter >.<
     
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    ssoo... we've waited this long for a chapter about Timcampy?
     
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    Damn, Cross just looks so.. sad.
     
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    You must be new here...

    Gonna wait for english scans this time.
    Kinda stopped caring about individual chapter length, but now I'm realizing that it's going to take ages for volume release at this rate lol - my volume-only friends are going to suffer.
     
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    So next full volume will get out in like 3-5years with such material speed... kinda hoped this chapter to have at least more data in those 11pages...too bad... hoped that Hoshino would resolve the stuff around Tim more in this chapter which would speed up the plot progress a bit more... yet now I can expect in the next chapter will be about allens breakdown/depression/crying...no real story progression. So some story development will happen mostly in 6months from now on, since with this huge-panel and low pages account there is just no way to progress like how it was in past.

    In each forum I saw its the same thing... lots lots of complainig about the amount of pages for 3months of waiting, they mostly agree that the art is great...but think that quality over quantity isnt really a great idea for a series that comes 1chapter per 3months. 90days (3months) is like 12weeks... which would look like 1page per week was drawn...thats a bit harsh for fans.
     
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    Saw some translations on tumblr. If they'e accurate, it's nice to finally see Cross confirm that he created Tim. It's been said twice, but people are still saying Nea was the creator, Idk what some fans needed. But now Cross has said it. lol IN addition to Komui and Apocryphos.

    This chapter also seems to put a dark insight on Cross & Tim.
     
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    Link to the tumblr trans, Silverwolf? I tried searching tumblr but couldn't find it.

    In the meantime, I'll give this a shot to anyone who is impatient like me. :p Very literal translation from the Korean scans posted above by Vizard. May contain conceptual errors!
    // to indicate a different bubble or panel
    / for alternate translation
    [] for my notes


    Pg. 1
    Cross: This is Timcampy
    //
    Cross: A golem that I made. Do you know what a golem is? Probably not?
    Allen: Ah... I know. In a fairytale that I often heard from Mana... there was always a golem... ...
    Cross: Ho oh. [small text: What sort of fairytale../What the hell kind of fairytale..]

    Pg. 2/Title Page
    The Existence Entrusted To the Person Left Behind
    To A:W, Say Farewell - Poison and Guide/ Saying Farewell to A:W - Poison and Navigator

    Pg. 3
    Allen: This is a golem... There really is a person who could make friends with a golem./There really exists a person who could be friends with a golem.
    //
    Cross: Friend...
    Allen: Waaa
    //
    Cross: Friend... You're kidding/That's a joke?

    Pg. 3
    Cross: I'll lend that to you, quickly grow up, kid.
    Allen: Ah
    Cross: From now on, whether it's crying or wetting yourself at night, I'm telling you to stop. / From now on, at night, stop crying or wetting the bed. [Lost in translation is Cross's tender/talking down to a little kid tone.]
    Allen: There/Over there [Addressing Cross without using his name]
    Cross: AH?
    //
    Allen: I too... Is it okay if I become friends with Timcampy? [Note, Allen's using polite formal language, while Cross is not]
    Cross: I don't care, Sleep!/ I dunno, sleep!

    Pg. 4
    Cross: Che/Sheesh
    //
    Cross: That guy/it from long ago was your colleague [nakama]/ From the beginning, wasn't that guy your nakama/colleague/friend.
    Cross: To me, it's not. I wouldn't call something I want to kill so badly a friend. [T/N: ?!! Tim's not friends with Cross?? Maybe this part is wrong? Currently double checking]

    Pg. 5
    Mother/Maza: Tim is the last remaining keepsake/ Tim is the only remaining keepsake [T/N: Not familiar with the word.]
    //
    Mother: I can't even imagine how much of a disgusting/sickening existence it is to you, however
    //
    Mother: You have crossed the path of a man who touched the truth. [T/N: google trans says: "You have reached the truth and crossed the path of man["]
    Mother: Even if you use that wood piece to crack Tim, you don't know if you'll be liberated/ there may not be freedom.

    Pg. 6
    Mother: However it seems to me that even having the mindset/position of 'I could destroy/crack it whenever' will provide a small support/crutch to your mind.
    Mother: I'm saying you should keep the wood piece like this with that kind of mindset.
    'Cornelia's wood piece'
    To complete your mission, it will probably become your poison amulet.
    //
    Whether that place exists, or doesn't
    I don't know even if I can arrive there/if it is a place where I can arrive

    Pg. 7
    Only this symbol/keepsake is here. [T/N: google back to japanese: akashi 証, which is an object that symbolizes/ proves the existence of something else, often intangible such as love, .]

    Pg. 8
    N/A

    Pg. 9
    N/A

    Pg. 10
    Probably-Cross: Timcampy
    Cross: I'm telling you to reach/ arrive at the destination, Tim.

    Pg. 11.
    Cross: No matter what happens, you
    Cross: Until the end, follow/stay with those two people.

    Pg. 12
    Cross: As you did to me, become a guide to Nea. [T/N: Spelling error here? Korean scans say Mee-A, which I assume should be Nea.]
    /SPOILER]
     
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    I'm surprised that Cross doesn't consider Tim a friend. :(

    Same. Personally I'd rather get 11 pages consistently every three months rather than an undefined hiatus, followed by 30+ pages for a "return announcement chapter ", then followed again by another indeterminate hiatus. Obviously, it'd be better to a full chapter every time, but I'd rather get something rather than nothing. I'm hoping that eventually her health will improve. Some people mentioned that it might be better if she switched to a light novel format, but personally I don't mind waiting for the rest of DGM because I've resigned myself to the fact it might take decades.
     
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    Yeah its a wonderful cover,will check if i can find a cleaned version, in any case will add it to my pics collection [​IMG]
     
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    Where is the translated chapteeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeerr
     
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    I'm not sure what to make of this chapter tbh, first it's so freakin' short, and a flashback too.
    And I don't recall it was implied before that Cross wished to kill Tim, now we see Cross kept this piece of wood with him because he wanted to kill Tim.
    Cross's death scene always irks me because it doesn't look like he resisted Aposhit at all. The saddest thing about the chapter is Allen at the end, Oh Allen!!!!!!
     
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    Reading the chapter, it sounds like Nea is the one who wanted Tim destroyed eventually, and Cross had reservations, but keeps the wood piece in case he ever absolutely / last restortly had to.

    But this one oddly is confusing. First reading it, it seems to be Cross' thoughts about Nea after he leaves Allen. Then it seems Mother starts talking about how hard things are for Cross. Then we cut back to Cross' thoughts again.
     
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    This chapter makes me wonder if Tim really was created by Cross
     
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    Tim is so cute :zomg

    I'm really glad to have a chapter all Cross-related like this. To be honest for a long time I haven't been able to be THAT invested into Cross because I couldn't grab his character. I mean, we saw the surface but the core of the character was mysterious and wooly for me to get.. you know, his "essence".

    Anyways a few thoughts on the chapter that are not too obvious:

    - Cross answers to Allen in his mind "It's been your pal for long ago". Cross completely viewed Allen as nothing more than Nea's vessel at first . Actually he viewed allen AS Nea. This is heartwrenching when you think how their relationship evolved..
    - The crossroads shows several ways. These are the different paths Allen can take, we have Mana, Nea, and the Campbell mansion. But there are FIVE other paths Allen can take.
    - "Campbell" is actually written "Canbell", same "Can" as in "Timcanpy"?
    - Given his look, there is no way Apocryphos didn't know what the splinter of Cornelia was. How did he know that? Are Cornelia and the Campbells linked to innocence? Or maybe the Vatican itself is way more informed about this third side of the war than the Order they supervise...
    - "Keep walking" were the words left by Nea for Mana according to Road. Cross received them too? I thought this sentence was only symbolic, to convey a message to the readers but at this point it has become some kind of letmotiv, I wouldn't be surprised if there is some plot secret hidden in that.


    + Poor Allen. :bored
     
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    Well Cross' relationship with Nea is certainly not based on friendship. lol Hoshino said long ago in an interview that Cross got involved with Nea unwillingly. Then you got Nea saying he had no chose working with Cross. So seems they both had something to gain by working together, despite neither wanting to get involved with the other.

    Been ages since I read, but seems Cross bowed out from Nea, and handed his position over to Link by mutual agreement of Lvellie. So we got that too.
     
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