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Re: DGM Hang Out Thread - Part 1

What do you guys want tosee in it the most (not really predict, but what you aspire to see)?
Road with long hair and Lavi with no eye patch. :hip

Btw, do you guys think there's a chance that Cross Marian's still alive?
Allen confirmed Cross woudn't die even if he was killed. :derp
 

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Re: DGM Hang Out Thread - Part 1

Road with long hair and Lavi with no eye patch. :hip


Allen confirmed Cross woudn't die even if he was killed. :derp

Marian Cross is confirmed not dead ?! Serious?! :gwah

Say, I was just passing this as a thought ... Is there any chance of Cross being the Heart? What do you guys think?
 

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Re: DGM Hang Out Thread - Part 1

^No, I was joking on this panel :sweat
Say, I was just passing this as a thought ... Is there any chance of Cross being the Heart? What do you guys think?
With Apocryphos attacked him, no. :sweat
 

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Re: DGM Hang Out Thread - Part 1

Seeing as how it's gonna be around another year or so before ch219 gets released....

What do you guys want tosee in it the most (not really predict, but what you aspire to see)?

Btw, do you guys think there's a chance that Cross Marian's still alive?


<<Sorry for the endless chatter, just wanted to pass some time :/ >>

I really wanna see Lavi being rescued, I feel like it shouldn't be taking so long...

And IMO of course Marian is alive, Hoshino is just waiting a badass moment for him to appear like he did when he saved Allen from Tykki on the ark... Maybe he will save Allen from Earl on the 219th? ;P
 

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Re: DGM Hang Out Thread - Part 1

^No, I was joking on this panel :sweat

With Apocryphos attacked him, no. :sweat
That's what I'm saying. Maybe he framed it? If thats the case it would make sense that Marian is still alive right?

Oh and sorry non-chan I didn't notice you were joking :sweat I'll be sure to not overreact next time XD
 
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Re: DGM Hang Out Thread - Part 1

A shameless man like Cross wouldn't die without making a much bigger fuss. As for whether he's the heart, I want to say definitely not but it would not be above Hoshino to do something like that to us.

And I'd like to see Allen and Nea have a conversation where one isn't tied to a chair and the other doesn't talk in permanent riddles (probably too much to hope for).
 

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Re: DGM Hang Out Thread - Part 1

A shameless man like Cross wouldn't die without making a much bigger fuss. As for whether he's the heart, I want to say definitely not but it would not be above Hoshino to do something like that to us.

And I'd like to see Allen and Nea have a conversation where one isn't tied to a chair and the other doesn't talk in permanent riddles (probably too much to hope for).

Though I highly doubt Hoshino would be going so easy and let us have such a simple and revealing conversation between Allen and Neah.. :umad I do really hope that happens. It'd relieve the great amount of tension I feel from waiting so long for ch219 :-_-

The only reason I'm thinking Cross might possibly be the Heart is because I think he's the only one who has more than 1 innocence fragment he can control... And if Cross Marian is still alive (I find it hard to believe he's dead so easily) it would make sense that his own servant or protector (Apocryphos) was just letting him hide under the radar. The only dispute so far I see is that Allen clearly saw a memory of Apo where he shoots Cross in the face with his own Judgement, but it might be an easily misunderstood plotline (I dunno). Furthermore, how Cross's body was witnessed and then suddenly disappeared after a few moments is pretty unfathomable. But remember his other innocence (forgot the name :sweat), it could've possible allowed him to escape right or at least disappear from sight and all other senses?? Unless it was somehow absorbed by Apo in the fight (that is if it was really a genuine fight instead of a framed one)....

Sorry but if anybody's free I was wondering if anybody could properly explain to me the Alma part of the DGM story? No matter how many times I've re-read this manga I just can't seem to fully grasp exactly what happened in the Alma/Kanda arc when it comes to the end... The woman that Kanda loved was in Alma's body right? In the arc, it was illustrated that Alma's body was made with the soul of the woman who Kanda loved is it? And Kanda was 'made' by Alma right? I just hope somebody could clarify this for me :sweat Sometimes I get a little confused.
 
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Re: DGM Hang Out Thread - Part 1

It is a rather baffling few chapters...
Do correct me if I'm wrong, but I believe Alma and Kanda are both grown from the DNA/Innocence/remains of deceased excorsists by the scientists.
So then months/years pass, they both live in (or under?) the black order until
the bloodbath happens, Kanda lives on as an excorsist and Alma is 'decommissioned'. As far as I know they planned for the two to fight to the death anyway so this kinda worked out for them, minus the slaughtered scientists.
Lots and lots of time passes and then something like this happens:
The body of Alma is somehow injected with the dark matter egg fragment (we now have a human body with both innocence and dark matter??). Whether Alma's body still has a soul at this point is unclear but I really hope it doesn't! Then Kanda's memories are rifled through by Wisely and this somehow fulfils the senario needed for Akuma creation and we end up with the soul of Kanda's spectre-lady in the akumafied human body of Alma.
What I still don't understand is why they wanted each other dead 0_0.
Was that at all helpful?
 

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Re: DGM Hang Out Thread - Part 1

What I still don't understand is why they wanted each other dead 0_0.
Was that at all helpful?
Kanda logic :umad

If something's not right or half-broken, destroy it beyond recognition:/

Just kidding though... If I remember correctly, Alma wanted to kill Kanda first, and then Kanda won, thinking Alma was dead. Then in the present, Kanda just sorta goes berserk?? Alma seems to want to destroy Kanda at first because of realizing that they were all made from dead exorcists I think???

The woman than Kanda seemed to remember had always been in Alma right? But then Alma was turned into an Akuma... With the egg extract is it? And then somehow he revives from his state of unconsciousness for 9 years. Again with Earl logic I guess...If something is dead or uncounscious just turn it into Akuma :sweat
 

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Re: DGM Hang Out Thread - Part 1

Alma didn't allow the Order to continue the project, as he killed everyone related. Kanda, however, wanted to live to find 'that person', which leaded to their death match with Kanda won.

With Wisely's 'accidental' help, Alma found out the reason behind Kanda's 'betrayal'. He/she realized that it would be too cruel letting Kanda knew he/she was 'that person', so Alma decided to lend the Earl a hand in order to borrow Dark matter's power, attempting to hide the secret forever with his and Kanda's death. Kanda, as an Exorcist, went into another death match with Alma since Alma had become an Akuma.

But Kanda found out in the end...Alma arc is the most tragic arc I've read in DGM, when Martel arc is the saddest and Suman arc is the bitterest. :(
 

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Re: DGM Hang Out Thread - Part 1

Yay! Something to discuss about in the hangout out thread. Hi everyone! I've been consistently lurking ever since the hiatus started and checking this thread at least once a month (in other words for years....).

Crown Clown, I hope this helps!

-spoilerish to anyone who hasn't read the manga by this point?-

Kanda Yu in his past life was an exorcist who died in the battlefield. He had a woman who he loved. As he died in a stream/pond surrounded by lotuses, he thought of the promise he made with her be together (specifically to go see a field of flowers) and her promise to him that she would wait for him forever. Ch. 193

After he died, Dead!Kanda's brain was taken for Second Exorcist Program and his brain implanted into another body (the body of a young male child). When New!Kanda woke up, he had forgotten his name, past, and everything. Ch. 192 page 6
http://dgrayman.wikia.com/wiki/Second_Exorcist_Program

Because the Second Exorcist Program was a failure, many of the test subjects would gradually recover their Dead!Self's memories and their abilities would become unstable. New!Kanda was haunted by the memories of the woman he loved and a sense of longing. He also kept remembering the lotuses in the mud field where he died.

At the same time, it was revealed that Alma was the woman Kanda loved in his past life. Because ThatWoman was always shown in a dress rather than a uniform, we were misled and did not guess that she had been an exorcist alongside Dead!Kanda. It turns out ThatWoman had also been killed/died and her brain was used in the Project as well. Dead!Alma was a female and her brain was implanted into a male body. ThatWoman woke up as Alma in the body of a boy with no memories

Alma and Kanda met. They both tried to escape together. Kanda was caught separately. The Lab had realized Kanda was about to remember his past and attempted to kill/killed Kanda. Alma wanted to rescue Kanda and went to synchronize with the innocence. Alma saw the mummified dead bodies of the exorcists and realized what the second exorcist plan was. Kanda kept remembering his promise with ThatWoman, recovered some of his Dead!Kanda memories, and synchronized with the innocence which allowed him to wake up. Kanda decided he might as well kill everyone in the Lab. Ch. 193, page 16.

He ran into and saved Noise Marie, which led him to realize how much New!Kanda had been saved by Alma. Kanda changed his mind and decided to leave the Lab with Alma instead.

Meanwhile, Alma had killed all of the Lab members. His abilities were unstable after synchronizing with the Innocence. He became convinced that everyone involved with the lab, including Kanda and himself, had to die in order to show how much of a complete failure the Second Exorcist Project had been and so that a similar experiment would never be carried out again. Alma wanted to die together.

Kanda killed Alma because unlike Alma, Kanda had recovered his memories and had a reason to live.

Kanda thought Alma had been killed. Alma was captured and put into a sleeping state. Alma was fused with Dark Matter and his cells were used for the 3rd project. The Earl woke up Alma using the Noah. Alma woke up as an Akuma and had recovered his memories as ThatWoman

Alma realized that Kanda had killed Alma to fulfill his promise to Alma's past self. Alma didn't want Kanda to realize he had killed the one was searching for and now ThatWoman was also an Akuma after having been used by The Order as a source of cells for all these years. Alma wanted to kill Kanda before he had realized the truth and that he could never fulfill the promise. Allen saw through his left eye that Alma's soul was that of the woman from Kanda's memories. Ch 198 pg 22

Then Alma died in Kanda's arms.
 
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Re: DGM Hang Out Thread - Part 1

Gee thanks Chloesong,

I really do get it much better now XD I was mostly confused about the why present Kanda wanted to try kill Alma in the first place. Was it mainly because he wanted to kill the Akuma? (just to finally clarify my confusion about the Kanda / Alma Arc)

Now that that part's over I was hoping to see if anybody could discuss this question I've had for a while. Just asking for the sake of discussion...

1. What do you guys hope Neah is going to do? At the start if I remember correctly Nea asked Allen "don't you hate me?" ... Later on he seems to be a little mean and say "you too became a mad puppet". This transition in how Nea seems to treat Allen, seems a little confusing as to how Nea really feels. In my opinion, Neah had mostly been shown as a bit of a troublesome character. Towards ch218 (before this hiatus), some backstory has begun to surface, and slowly we begin to see why the 14th is going so far as to eradicate Allen as a character altogether to decimate the Earl. But do you people feel that it is possible that Neah may somehow change his mind about this path he's taking?

2. I dunno if many remembers this part but (its also in the anime), where Leverrier said that there was another rather old man who was linked to the 14th (when Cross finally came back and was in some sort of meeting with the other branch heads, Link and Leverrier etc)? Who is he? They didn't say much about him did they? Or perhaps I missed something :/
 

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Re: DGM Hang Out Thread - Part 1

Alma woke up as an Akuma and had recovered his memories as ThatWoman
Alma had already recovered his memory of the past since the moment he found the dead Exorcists's bodies with their old Innocences sealed along with them, or some time later before Kanda found him. This made the difference between Alma and Kanda's reaction when they found out the truth: One decided to destroy everything including himself and one decided to lived on.

All because Alma is too sensitive and smart, and Kanda is in the total opposite.

Nea asked Allen "don't you hate me?"
Actually, it was Mana asking Nea if he hated him or not.

But do you people feel that it is possible that Neah may somehow change his mind about this path he's taking?
I don't feel so...It seems to me that he had paid his life in the past just because of this when he said "I won't hesitate anymore".

Leverrier said that there was another rather old man who was linked to the 14th
This is one of unsolved DGM's mysteries. Rather than an old man, the manga only said it was "an old person", so it's still gender unconfirmed.
My candidates: Past!Allen's empty body, Road's real body. Yet I fear Hoshino may already forget this person.
 

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Re: DGM Hang Out Thread - Part 1

Actually, it was Mana asking Nea if he hated him or not.


This is one of unsolved DGM's mysteries. Rather than an old man, the manga only said it was "an old person", so it's still gender unconfirmed.
My candidates: Past!Allen's empty body, Road's real body. Yet I fear Hoshino may already forget this person.
Really? Oops sorry :sweat I guess I misinterpreted XD
Wait, so why did Mana ask Nea of all people if he hated him or not ?

It'd definitely be a disappointment if the old person mystery were to be left hanging :/
 

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Re: DGM Hang Out Thread - Part 1

I really do get it much better now XD I was mostly confused about the why present Kanda wanted to try kill Alma in the first place. Was it mainly because he wanted to kill the Akuma? (just to finally clarify my confusion about the Kanda / Alma Arc)
It wasn't about an Akuma. It was probably about burying the pain. He didn't know until after Alma self-destructed and nearly killed them both that Alma had "That Person's" soul.

2. I dunno if many remembers this part but (its also in the anime), where Leverrier said that there was another rather old man who was linked to the 14th (when Cross finally came back and was in some sort of meeting with the other branch heads, Link and Leverrier etc)? Who is he? They didn't say much about him did they? Or perhaps I missed something :/
As non-chan said it is a mystery, along with what the deal is with Hevlaska. I don't know how they'll fit at the moment but I hope to learn more about each. ^_^;

Alma had already recovered his memory of the past since the moment he found the dead Exorcists's bodies with their old Innocences sealed along with them, or some time later before Kanda found him. This made the difference between Alma and Kanda's reaction when they found out the truth: One decided to destroy everything including himself and one decided to lived on.
With the fatal exception that Alma didn't know until he saw Kanda's dream just who Kanda was. :')

Really? Oops sorry :sweat I guess I misinterpreted XD
Wait, so why did Mana ask Nea of all people if he hated him or not ?
I think it's because they had to live "on the run" with the Earl and all the other Noahs chasing and hunting them down. Mana feels guilty about dragging his brother along with him, into whatever mess he got himself into. (I happen to think that he was trying to escape being controlled by the Earl. It's mentioned in my long post in the Mana/Earl theory page.)
 

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I think it's because they had to live "on the run" with the Earl and all the other Noahs chasing and hunting them down. Mana feels guilty about dragging his brother along with him, into whatever mess he got himself into. (I happen to think that he was trying to escape being controlled by the Earl. It's mentioned in my long post in the Mana/Earl theory page.)
What kind of trouble did Mana get Nea into? Wasn't it the other way around (not sure anymore :sweatdrop) ?
 

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What kind of trouble did Mana get Nea into? Wasn't it the other way around (not sure anymore :sweatdrop) ?
They're on the run and maybe Mana unable to fight pulled them behind.
 

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What kind of trouble did Mana get Nea into? Wasn't it the other way around (not sure anymore :sweatdrop) ?
I definitely don't think that Mana was only apologising to Nea and thinking that Nea must hate him because Mana was slowing Nea down. There is certainly more to it than that.

But, we still don't know what it is that Mana did or didn't do. All we know is that Road said that everything Nea had done was for Mana's sake, Mana thought that Nea would hate him, and the Earl told Mana that everything was his fault.
 

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In that scene where Mana says " Neah, don't you hate me?", it seems pretty confusing with the way it happened.

Do you guys think it was some sort of memory Neah was holding on to or was it Mana trying talking to Neah then?
Another thing weird about that scene is that Allen hadn't changed into Nea yet but Mana was acting as if he was talking to Neah while holding Allen? I mean sure Allen was going through the Noahfication as John said, but he hadn't fully transformed to Neah yet... So it's probably just a memory of Mana apologizing to Neah in the past right ?
 

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Re: DGM Hang Out Thread - Part 1

In that scene where Mana says " Neah, don't you hate me?", it seems pretty confusing with the way it happened.

Do you guys think it was some sort of memory Neah was holding on to or was it Mana trying talking to Neah then?
Another thing weird about that scene is that Allen hadn't changed into Nea yet but Mana was acting as if he was talking to Neah while holding Allen? I mean sure Allen was going through the Noahfication as John said, but he hadn't fully transformed to Neah yet... So it's probably just a memory of Mana apologizing to Neah in the past right ?

Yes, that moment is a Nea's fragment of memory showing Mana apologizing him years ago because what happened. Allen has not to change to Nea to see "things", remember the shadow?
 
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