Hangout DGM Hang Out Thread

[tgirl]

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^ See? SEEEEE!? Glad you got to see it, Mango. It's not a typical mecha anime at the very end! Especially, a Sunrise mecha anime!! O___O It was sooo unexpected. Even the awesome OP, "Preserved Roses", had lyrics that reminded me of D.Gray-Man!! They used the words, "light and dark".

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The Nazi/white haired kids = hard-core Noah, who don't care whose lives they killed in order to fulfill whatever orders they were given.
Haruto = different kind of Allen Walker, who appeared to hate competition (/getting involved) and didn't have much courage until he loses someone dear to him.
L-11 = Valvrave's Kanda Yuu, who has a driven goal, but his own humanity will be questioned. I don't think he'll be the stereotypical "rival". He just doesn't like Haruto's way of doing things, which reminds me of Kanda.
Valvraves = Innocence/Dark Matter zombie/vampire mechas ---. Two bites, and you're no longer human. "Do you resign your humanity?" "Do you resign yourself to be a human being?" If some freaky computer asked me that, I would run a long long distance away from wherever I am.

I start to forget that this show revolves around three different groups with one of them being a neutral colony like in every other Gundam show. I think the main theme of this show is just like D.Gray-Man: humanity

They really should've made this a 26 episode anime. At least, it's now a 26 episode traditional length show broken up into two seasons. *sighs of relief* This and Hoshino's one-shot, should keep us occupied until the next D.Gray-Man chapter. Just got to see how this show goes exactly.

T.M. Revolution and Nana definitely didn't disappoint me. Will be waiting patiently for the May single to come out. One of the most powerful OP songs I've ever heard in a long time: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TfxpSw8lhoY

 

[riki]

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[NonExisted]

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just something that bothers me: Why all Hoshino's main characters are non-human except Allen?
p/s: WE GOT SOME HOSHINO'S WORDS about Valvrave though

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自分がサンライズで、しかもロボットアニメのキャラクター原案のお仕事をさせてもらえる日が来るとは…！！！人生何があるかわからないなぁと歓喜し、同時にすごくプレッシャーを感じながら、とにかく激しく体が震えていたのを今も憶えています。だってサンライズですよ。あのサンライズです。ガンダムや勇者シリーズをみて育った自分にとってはほぼ神に近い存在のあのサンライズです！ しかもロボットアニメ！！！こんな夢みたいなことは人生そう多くはこないだろうと前のめりの勢いで参加させていただきました。 とにかく集中したことは、自分がこの作品の一部になりきること。松尾監督の腕になったつもりで監督の思い描くキャラクターたちを形にすることです。これは思っていたよりもとても大変で苦しくてハラハラわくわくの楽しい作業でした。 なかなかうまくできない私に根気強く話をしてくださった監督には感謝の言葉もありません。とくにかわいい女の子について熱く語られていたあの御姿を星野一生忘れません。大変勉強になりました！ まだもう少しこの苦しくて楽しい作業は続きますが、ＶＶＶを愛する監督そして錚々たるスタッフの方々の情熱に負けぬよう必死に頑張りたいと思います。 自分が関わったからではなく、単純にいちサンライズファンとして強く声を出して言わせていただきます。「革命機ヴァルヴレイヴ」魅力いっぱいの熱いロボットアニメです。是非ご覧くださいませ！

 

[kannazuki]

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@non-chan: Hahaha... we don't even know for sure about Allen. He could still turn out to be a growing, human-like "doll" of some kind.

As for Hoshino's message, she kind of just raves about how working on this project is like a dream come true, once-in-a-lifetime chance, because Sunrise! Robots! etc. etc. She kinda lets her inner fangirl out there... ^_^;

 

[Mango-chan]

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Allen is obviously a Nazi from outer space. *shot*
@Tgirl: Anime sites with mobile media players saves the day! I think you might be stretching a little, hahaha. I'd be stoked if it was DGM in space, but at the same time I want to see it become it's own monster. It was cute to see the little mini-nazi Lavi though..... we finally know what Cyril did with him. /bad joke/ I'll stop pretending Valvrave is some hilarious AU cannon now.

@Riki: I'll be sure to keep all of my weekly rambling about Valvrave there, thanks for the link.

 

[tgirl]

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^ I know I know. ^__^ I was just kidding a little there with the stretch. (And yeah, anime vid sites help a lot.) *rubs chin* D.Gray-Man in space wouldn't be a bad idea.... *ducks!!*

I'll be spreading the word of a translation correction in that Valvrave thread after this. I mostly talk about the anime over at animelist and we came across an error that the other sub team made compared to Crunchy's subs, which I haven't seen.

And I can't help feeling hyped for DGM just reading your comical Valv/DGM cross musings. It feels maddening, but I totally agree with mini-nazi!Lavi. But seriously, now I know what Komui does on his spare time in *SHOT*

As for Hoshino's message, she kind of just raves about how working on this project is like a dream come true, once-in-a-lifetime chance, because Sunrise! Robots! etc. etc. She kinda lets her inner fangirl out there... ^_^;

Pretty much while ending it with the usual, "everyone, please look forward to it~~!!" phrase. She really is letting that inner fangirl out. Wow... o__o That only gives me hope for her current health condition.

 

[verduister]

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just something that bothers me: Why all Hoshino's main characters are non-human except Allen?
p/s: WE GOT SOME HOSHINO'S WORDS about Valvrave though

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自分がサンライズで、しかもロボットアニメのキャラクター原案のお仕事をさせてもらえる日が来るとは…！！！人生何があるかわからないなぁと歓喜し、同時にすごくプレッシャーを感じながら、とにかく激しく体が震えていたのを今も憶えています。だってサンライズですよ。あのサンライズです。ガンダムや勇者シリーズをみて育った自分にとってはほぼ神に近い存在のあのサンライズです！ しかもロボットアニメ！！！こんな夢みたいなことは人生そう多くはこないだろうと前のめりの勢いで参加させていただきました。 とにかく集中したことは、自分がこの作品の一部になりきること。松尾監督の腕になったつもりで監督の思い描くキャラクターたちを形にすることです。これは思っていたよりもとても大変で苦しくてハラハラわくわくの楽しい作業でした。 なかなかうまくできない私に根気強く話をしてくださった監督には感謝の言葉もありません。とくにかわいい女の子について熱く語られていたあの御姿を星野一生忘れません。大変勉強になりました！ まだもう少しこの苦しくて楽しい作業は続きますが、ＶＶＶを愛する監督そして錚々たるスタッフの方々の情熱に負けぬよう必死に頑張りたいと思います。 自分が関わったからではなく、単純にいちサンライズファンとして強く声を出して言わせていただきます。「革命機ヴァルヴレイヴ」魅力いっぱいの熱いロボットアニメです。是非ご覧くださいませ！

lol yeah, she really is letting her inner fangirl shine through XD Thanks for posting!

 

[MSofAofCOCA]

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Does anyone know if SQ will come out this May? The first week seems to be Golden Week, which most magazines take a break for...

 

[Asclepius]

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Does anyone know if SQ will come out this May? The first week seems to be Golden Week, which most magazines take a break for...

It's already in the JumpSQ site, it will come out on May 2nd.
If we are lucky, we may get the ToC on April 28th or 29th.

 

[kannazuki]

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It would be awesome if the series was back then but I feel like I shouldn't expect anything until June/July. I don't know why I've had that feeling for a while but I just do...

 

[NonExisted]

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It is likely the limited version of Valvrave's 1st BD volume (out in June 26th) will contain Hoshino's illustrations.

 

[Asclepius]

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No DGM again.

---------- Post added at 02:41 PM ---------- Previous post was at 02:39 PM ----------

The DGM Hiatus Thread

 

[riki]

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I guess we'll have to wait another month for a new chapter

 

[tgirl]

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In the long run this release schedule will just lead to DGM's cancellation

As long as Shueisha knows what she's doing, I highly doubt this. She's still cranking out that other Jump one shot, while probably designing Valvrave character designs for season 2. We know Hoshino has been busy while recovering from her poor health.

Volume 24 will come out with what we've seen so far. It has enough to make a volume. Every single reader out there just needs to be patient.

Pick up another long running manga series to read, or read a whole bunch of ones you never read before, and stick with them. I think we'll see Hoshino back by this summer. I don't think she'll stray too far from her DGM work. As long as she's in good health, that's what matters the most.

I find this particular 2ch post quite cute (in their suffering that I find amusing). #182: 星野しゃん。。。(´；ω；`)

((Oh geeze... In Valvrave, we have two Lavis!! Wheeeee~!!))

 

[Zibi234]

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I wonder when we will get a new chaper from hoshino... since im just starting to forget about this series as no chap for few months so far and no info when a new one will show up

I guess mostly it wont be this month so I hope at the beggining of summer we will get a chap

 

[kannazuki]

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I think the many people who have been saying they're confused by the series should take the opportunity to go back and figure out the things they don't get, and the people who consider regular releases more important to them than the actual story itself should reevaluate whether they should read DGM at all.

DGM sells too well in Japan to be cancelled. As they come out, every DGM volume (including the latest ones) jumps to #3 to #5-ish in the top 30 rankings on ANN. Also anyone who knows writing knows that Hoshino has put a *LOT* into this series. She and the editors who understand this are not going to allow this series to be thrown away so easily. I'm not sure what the story is regarding having assistants, but it seems to me the pressure is on for her to be doing all the drawing. She draws such real and varied expressions for her characters, I can see how it would be hard for her to express just what kind of expression she wants on Allen's or whoever else's face, for example, when something happens to them.

 

[Googlez_kun]

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I think the many people who have been saying they're confused by the series should take the opportunity to go back and figure out the things they don't get, and the people who consider regular releases more important to them than the actual story itself should reevaluate whether they should read DGM at all.

DGM sells too well in Japan to be cancelled. As they come out, every DGM volume (including the latest ones) jumps to #3 to #5-ish in the top 30 rankings on ANN. Also anyone who knows writing knows that Hoshino has put a *LOT* into this series. She and the editors who understand this are not going to allow this series to be thrown away so easily. I'm not sure what the story is regarding having assistants, but it seems to me the pressure is on for her to be doing all the drawing. She draws such real and varied expressions for her characters, I can see how it would be hard for her to express just what kind of expression she wants on Allen's or whoever else's face, for example, when something happens to them.

Meh, I don't know. I haven't really thought this through, so I might make a mistake or two and jump to conclusions and all.

Well, well. DGM seems to sell well enough. I don't know the numbers, but I'll just trust your pieces of information. Those numbers seem rather safe. The thing is, DGM doesn't come out regularly, so it's not bought regularly, making those numbers rather weak in comparison to other manga, which sell less, but on a regular basis. Let's take a look at a year. Hoshino manages to squeeze out a single volume, which 5 people buy. Manga-X is bought by only 2 people. Manga-ka-X manages to publish 3-4 volumes in a year, though. Now do the math. (To be honest, I don't know how many volumes are released per yer when it comes to monthly releases, but you get the idea.)
As for the work put into the series.....who cares? Publishers sure don't. Soooo many manga got canned, even though the manga-ka put all his love into his/her series. Even more popular titles such as Shaman King or Saint Seiya. Now SQ isn't WSJ and there's a reason it got moved, but if she can't keep a monthly schedule either...I don't know...
As for "She draws such real and varied expressions for her characters..." Erm. No, really. That sounds as though she was the only one doing that. Her drawings are great and stuff, but that doesn't justify all the breaks. Moreover, if that were the case (that she needs half a year to get the right expressions) she'd sacrifice the plot and the reader's enjoyment of the series for comparatevily irrelevant stuff. Not the smartest thing to do.
Something that speaks for the series' survival is the one-shot Hoshino published in Miracle. Makes you think the editorial department trusts her enough for now.
Still, I don't have the feeling it's as safe as you make it sound. I for one would probably spend my money on other manga by now.

 

[kannazuki]

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As I understand it, Hunter x Hunter, which is a *weekly* in WSJ, goes on much longer hiatuses than DGM, and when it finally comes back, it's short and noticeably badly drawn... yet it sells well so it's been safe.

The "but they're not making money in between" argument (which I used to subscribe to myself) doesn't necessarily matter since they're not *spending* money in between either. As long as they aren't losing hordes of paying readers in Japan, it shouldn't matter to them. In addition I find it difficult to believe publishers are all that excited about taking chances with totally unknown new talent. That kind of risk is not something they're fond of in either publishing or show biz (something screenwriters and authors complain about all the time), from any of the Western industry literature I've read. I see little reason why that would be different in Japan. They also won't likely want to have to deal with the inevitable backlash from letting paying fans down. Hence all the apologies for worrying the fans in the actual hiatus notice they eventually published.

All the same, keep in mind I haven't been saying I know for sure it won't be cancelled. It's more that I don't see why people are taking this particular hiatus and treating it like a turning point. I think it makes more sense to follow Occam's Razor and go with precedent until we see reason to believe otherwise. If people are really worried about either cancellation or irregular releases and that has taken priority for them, then they really should just figure out whether they consider it worth continuing for themselves rather than going around speculating based on absolutely nothing that the series will be cancelled, and causing scares that might affect (thankfully only foreign) sales due the panic caused among people who don't think to calm down and check the facts.

Just speaking for myself alone here, I've found DGM immensely enjoyable until now and I'm prepared to read the story up until it ends, regardless of whether it's completed or not. Meaning that although I'd obviously prefer it continue, *it makes no difference to my purchases* if DGM is cancelled. I'm going to remain a fan regardless. I'm going to continue to enjoy going back and peeling back the layers of the series whenever I can. I'm speaking from a sort of acceptance that whatever happens happens, not just wishful thinking that it'll continue no matter what. The only thing that bothers me about it all is the potential chilling effect of people all over the non-Japanese net saying that the series is going to be cancelled-- because sadly, THAT probably has an effect on sales (just luckily for those of us who read Japanese, not in Japan).

So I think that rather than stirring up ill-founded, rumour-based panic that may lead to less sales and only go to fulfill the "cancellation" prophecy for foreign language localizations only (and lol I can just see how people would complain even more when they keep publishing in Japanese only...), people should make their choice and if they've decided to stay with the series, then take it as it comes.

 

[MSofAofCOCA]

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If I was Suiesha, I'd take DGM out of SQ completely and have it come out in volumes only.

Like most people have said above, DGM sells well. I doubt releasing straight to volume would have any serious impact on sales.
On that note, using Occam's Razor, that would be the next logical step: Hoshino couldn't handle weekly? No problem, bumped down to monthly. Hoshino can't handle monthly? Let's just go straight to volume release. Frequent monthly breaks aside, this is the second time we have such a long, out of the blue break. Unless Suiesha wants to keep on playing this game, some thing has got to give.

My problem isn't with the hiatus itself, but with the fact that it wasn't officially announced. Yeah, Hoshino had side projects to work on, but you'd think 7+ years publishing and both her and her editors would know where her limit is at. At the very least, they could have made it official and announced it before hand. Looking at her releases for the last 2 years, it seems she gets overworked with 30 pages a month, and takes very frequent one month breaks. Yeah, I think the art is wonderful and it's obvious she gives a lot of thought to each chapter, but seriously? 30 pages every 2 months?? But she still finds time and ability to work on time consuming side projects? If she hit a wall with DGM, and needs an extended break to gather her thoughts, then so be it. But I find it odd that, in this particular case, it appeared as if she totally blew off DGM for Valvrave and Ayakashi no Ou.

It's a mixture of everything that gets to me. I absolutely love this series, but looking at this closely, yeah. I think I should be worried that with every year we get less and less chapters, without an explanation or warning. Which becomes exponentially fishier when she releases side projects as well. On one hand, I wish Hoshino good luck and not to stress herself and take care of herself. On the other, I want to tell her to get her shit life together.

Bottom line: If Hoshino is bored of DGM, she should just say so. I'm sure Suiesha would accept DGM back with open arms when Hoshino is ready, but this game of cat and mouse is starting to get a wee-bit ridiculous.

 

[xi0]

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I'm not aware of any series that isn't serialized in a magazine prior to being released in volumes. It wouldn't make sense not to do so, for the sake of awareness and advertising money that can be earned from it being in the magazine.