Hangout DGM Hang Out Thread

[kannazuki]

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I'm with you until the stuff about side projects, and can you give some examples of other popular shounen series that went straight to volume-by-volume releases only? Honestly, I don't see how that would help anything at all. It's not like the volumes would get shorter.

The side projects are from last year. As far as I've seen, all she's announced as doing right now is judging a contest for new mangaka. And that contest's entries aren't even in yet. I see a lot of people jumping to conclusions about the mangaka's interest in her own series but I see no indication in the chapters, interviews, or anywhere else that she's "run out of ideas." On the contrary it looks like she's just getting to stuff she's been planning to reveal since almost the beginning of the series. What writer on the planet would "run out of ideas" at such a point? These are things a writer gets exhilarated about, not bored.

Those of us who are generally able-bodied at all times should consider how lucky we are to be so. Whatever else is possibly going on, there are definite physical issues at play here, and it appears that it's simply not done to have other persons draw a series for Jump publications at the very least.

 

[NonExisted]

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Hoshino changed her avatar

Spoiler: Don't know if this is good or bad sign

Miracle Jump also updated author's message, including Hoshino's

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[kannazuki]

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How goofy. xP

This is rather weakly drawn compared to the comic version of herself she usually draws for the volume extras. Where is it from?

And... Good or bad? Looks pretty neutral to me. She's just asking people to read her first piece in Miracle Jump (more precisely, she says she'll be happy if they do, but that's just Japanese style politeness).

 

[Mango-chan]

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That avatar reminds me of the derpy character drawings done by Hoshino's sister (or some other family member) in the earlier DGM volumes.

 

[ca12nag3]

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I'm not aware of any series that isn't serialized in a magazine prior to being released in volumes. It wouldn't make sense not to do so, for the sake of awareness and advertising money that can be earned from it being in the magazine.

Dont think its impossible but its more a symbiotic relationship between the manga and the parrent magazine.

Its also a brilliant setup where you basically sell the same stuff twice. Once bundled in weekly/monthly editions of Jump secondly the volumes of each respective manga. It keeps the sales up. Both of the magazines and the Volumes. Ofc the artists are under contract thus Jump profits twice of the same story. If not more due to bundles and foreign translated versions.

So seeing it release separate i doubt it. The relation that exists in japan with regard to its release method is to much embedded into the industry.

 

[xi0]

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Dont think its impossible but its more a symbiotic relationship between the manga and the parrent magazine.

Its also a brilliant setup where you basically sell the same stuff twice. Once bundled in weekly/monthly editions of Jump secondly the volumes of each respective manga. It keeps the sales up. Both of the magazines and the Volumes. Ofc the artists are under contract thus Jump profits twice of the same story. If not more due to bundles and foreign translated versions.

So seeing it release separate i doubt it. The relation that exists in japan with regard to its release method is to much embedded into the industry.

It's not impossible, I just don't know of such a thing happening. It's just how it's done. An author creates a series on a schedule and it's featured in a magazine. When the volumes come out, they're advertised heavily in the magazine.

And Shueisha doesn't really profit off of sales of its magazines. They're advertising for other merchandise - mainly toys, anime, videogames and the tankoubons themselves. If they're at all profitable, it's probably only in a marginal sense, in that they don't lose money by printing them. The weekly magazines use the worst ink and recycled paper. The biweekly and monthly magazines are somewhat better. But with something that has the circulation numbers of WSJ, costs are cut by cutting back on the quality for a reason. The bound tankoubons are sold for a lot more than the magazines and for good reason.

 

[Googlez_kun]

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The thing about straight to volume releases is that people won't know about the content. Even though I still find it strange, readers in Japan often leave out volumes and just don't buy them, because certain characters don't appear, they don't like the arc and all that jazz. So, many people would hesitate to buy it. Furthermore, every manga would suffer from less attention (yes, even One Piece)...releasing it only in volumes wouldn't help at all, quite the contrary.

I agree with kannazuki about the ideas thing. Hoshino had to plot worked out for ages. That's what I always liked about DGM. Then again, this fact makes her hiatuses even more bothersome. If you have everything in your head, just draw it, girl! I'm aware of her wrist problems, but that doesn't help the fact that DGM's pacing sucks horse balls. I don't care if she only releases 20 pages each month, but please, give us something on a constant basis. When she's on hiatus I'm forgetting details that make everything harder to understand and no, I don't have the time to re-read the series during every single hiatus. Moreover, there are other manga, other plots and characters, that want to fill my head. It's only natural that I stop caring about the series when I don't get anything to feed my interest.

As I understand it, Hunter x Hunter, which is a *weekly* in WSJ, goes on much longer hiatuses than DGM, and when it finally comes back, it's short and noticeably badly drawn... yet it sells well so it's been safe.

You can't compare DGM to Hunter x Hunter. Two different worlds. HxH sells much more, is way more popular (and better) and by a successful author who has YuYu Hakusho and Level E under his belt.
Really no point in comparing them.

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The "but they're not making money in between" argument (which I used to subscribe to myself) doesn't necessarily matter since they're not *spending* money in between either. As long as they aren't losing hordes of paying readers in Japan, it shouldn't matter to them. In addition I find it difficult to believe publishers are all that excited about taking chances with totally unknown new talent. That kind of risk is not something they're fond of in either publishing or show biz (something screenwriters and authors complain about all the time), from any of the Western industry literature I've read. I see little reason why that would be different in Japan.

True, I guess.

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All the same, keep in mind I haven't been saying I know for sure it won't be cancelled. It's more that I don't see why people are taking this particular hiatus and treating it like a turning point. I think it makes more sense to follow Occam's Razor and go with precedent until we see reason to believe otherwise. If people are really worried about either cancellation or irregular releases and that has taken priority for them, then they really should just figure out whether they consider it worth continuing for themselves rather than going around speculating based on absolutely nothing that the series will be cancelled, and causing scares that might affect (thankfully only foreign) sales due the panic caused among people who don't think to calm down and check the facts.

Just speaking for myself alone here, I've found DGM immensely enjoyable until now and I'm prepared to read the story up until it ends, regardless of whether it's completed or not. Meaning that although I'd obviously prefer it continue, *it makes no difference to my purchases* if DGM is cancelled. I'm going to remain a fan regardless. I'm going to continue to enjoy going back and peeling back the layers of the series whenever I can. I'm speaking from a sort of acceptance that whatever happens happens, not just wishful thinking that it'll continue no matter what. The only thing that bothers me about it all is the potential chilling effect of people all over the non-Japanese net saying that the series is going to be cancelled-- because sadly, THAT probably has an effect on sales (just luckily for those of us who read Japanese, not in Japan).

So I think that rather than stirring up ill-founded, rumour-based panic that may lead to less sales and only go to fulfill the "cancellation" prophecy for foreign language localizations only (and lol I can just see how people would complain even more when they keep publishing in Japanese only...), people should make their choice and if they've decided to stay with the series, then take it as it comes.

It's not a turning point. More a thought-provoking reminder that Hoshino can't keep up a monthly schedule and went on a hiatus AGAIN. I can only speak for myself, but as I mentioned before, I'm losing interest in the series seeing how its author works on different projects and neglects this series on a regular basis. Trust me, the manga market in Japan is big enough. Fans will find other series to care for. I, for instance, haven't picked up the last two volumes, which were released in Germany, yet, despite having been a biiiig fan of it. I'd rather buy I Am A Hero, Oyasumi Punpun, Billy Bat, Tegami Bachi and so on. If I lived in Japan, I would've stopped purchasing the volumes way earlier. It's not like I don't have any patience. Got lots of it, but man, there's a limit, especially when there are so many more and better manga out there.
Really, I believe DGM will keep its core audience (even though they seem quite annoyed as well), however, other readers who will use those hiatuses to move on and find other, maybe better stuff, will probably forget the series over time. It's not like I want it to be cancelled...I just don't see how it's supposed to continue if Hoshino makes the same mistakes over and over again. Merely a feeling.
I already dropped it (though that doesn't mean much because we didn't get a chapter since then...). Basically, I made my decision. Many will probably follow my example (not saying they should) and I can understand that. I also understand those loyal fans. Wish it would work for me as well...

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I should really think before I write. This text is probably a mess....

 

[ca12nag3]

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The thing about straight to volume releases is that people won't know about the content. Even though I still find it strange, readers in Japan often leave out volumes and just don't buy them, because certain characters don't appear, they don't like the arc and all that jazz. So, many people would hesitate to buy it. Furthermore, every manga would suffer from less attention (yes, even One Piece)...releasing it only in volumes wouldn't help at all, quite the contrary.

I agree with kannazuki about the ideas thing. Hoshino had to plot worked out for ages. That's what I always liked about DGM. Then again, this fact makes her hiatuses even more bothersome. If you have everything in your head, just draw it, girl! I'm aware of her wrist problems, but that doesn't help the fact that DGM's pacing sucks horse balls. I don't care if she only releases 20 pages each month, but please, give us something on a constant basis. When she's on hiatus I'm forgetting details that make everything harder to understand and no, I don't have the time to re-read the series during every single hiatus. Moreover, there are other manga, other plots and characters, that want to fill my head. It's only natural that I stop caring about the series when I don't get anything to feed my interest.


You can't compare DGM to Hunter x Hunter. Two different worlds. HxH sells much more, is way more popular (and better) and by a successful author who has YuYu Hakusho and Level E under his belt.
Really no point in comparing them.


True, I guess.


It's not a turning point. More a thought-provoking reminder that Hoshino can't keep up a monthly schedule and went on a hiatus AGAIN. I can only speak for myself, but as I mentioned before, I'm losing interest in the series seeing how its author works on different projects and neglects this series on a regular basis. Trust me, the manga market in Japan is big enough. Fans will find other series to care for. I, for instance, haven't picked up the last two volumes, which were released in Germany, yet, despite having been a biiiig fan of it. I'd rather buy I Am A Hero, Oyasumi Punpun, Billy Bat, Tegami Bachi and so on. If I lived in Japan, I would've stopped purchasing the volumes way earlier. It's not like I don't have any patience. Got lots of it, but man, there's a limit, especially when there are so many more and better manga out there.
Really, I believe DGM will keep its core audience (even though they seem quite annoyed as well), however, other readers who will use those hiatuses to move on and find other, maybe better stuff, will probably forget the series over time. It's not like I want it to be cancelled...I just don't see how it's supposed to continue if Hoshino makes the same mistakes over and over again. Merely a feeling.
I already dropped it (though that doesn't mean much because we didn't get a chapter since then...). Basically, I made my decision. Many will probably follow my example (not saying they should) and I can understand that. I also understand those loyal fans. Wish it would work for me as well...

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I should really think before I write. This text is probably a mess....

I scrapped my entire initial post. Why? Well im rather disappointed in the fact that people seem to forget that artists that write manga put their heart and soul in it. Sacrifice hours upon hours to meet deadlines. It takes a lot to even make it to serialization. And each and every one of them deserved that spot. If you like the story or not is up to each and every one of you.
If you found your way to MH some day you must have realized that this place is for people that love manga, and subsequently the artists that wrote it. Appreciate what is given to us and even if disappointed they do their best to give us fans a great time reading it.
Most of us are old enough to know that life doesnt always treats us fair and it can be hard, also for the manga artists. So Hoshino im sure tries her best to write DGM at her own pace.
And even if thats not good enough for some of us, you could leave it be and move on. Without making accusations towards the manga artists or to state that people will follow your example of dropping it.

 

[neah]

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I know its really difficult to see this whole thing happening with the series the waiting but it is what it is. Honestly i think whats always been cool about DGM is the fact that after the hiatus and stuff we always get some more interesting plot stuff when we get the new chapter in my opinion. But for now i wait patiently and watch Valrave The Liberator and read her one shots and stuff which ties me over ps on a random note one of the characters in Valrave looks like the 3rd exorcist hahah

 

[CrossCrow]

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wow, I have a headache just from reading this page, let alone the several pages preceeding it.

not really sure why people even get so worked up over the release dates either, I've never known posting on internet forumns to have had any impact on a manga.

 

[NonExisted]

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Hoshino's artwork for Valvrave

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I hope that the incoming volume 24 of DGM will get such a nice art for its cover

 

[capricorn]

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Hoshino's artwork for Valvrave

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I hope that the incoming volume 24 of DGM will get such a nice art for its cover

Wow!! This looks way better than what i've seen in the anime itself. Not really that surprising considering that's the usual case but still.... wow Hoshino has still got it.
Can't wait for volume 24!!

 

[NonExisted]

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I'll take that cover as an unofficial confirm about Hoshino has switch to digital art (it is almost impossible to get the shading as shaft as the cover got if you do it in traditional way)
I've long wondered this before but I'm quite certain now.

 

[capricorn]

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I'll take that cover as an unofficial confirm about Hoshino has switch to digital art (it is almost impossible to get the shading as shaft as the cover got if you do it in traditional way)
I've long wondered this before but I'm quite certain now.

Well I wouldn't make that assumption just yet considerring that this is actually one of the only times i've ever seen her use pure digital paint. Even the recent oneshot seemed traditionally done in most areas. I would more readily think that she's started to alternate between mediums.

BTW has someone already posted these sketches http://blog-imgs-51.fc2.com/y/a/r/yaraon/20130427221939734.jpg. You can see from the style that its Hoshino's drawings especially when you look at the hands and ears

 

[NonExisted]

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I can tell the Miracle Jump's cover is done in digital too (at least for the red shading).

I don't really mind if Hoshino completly changes to digital. There are a lot of mangakas doing that nowadays. Moreover, though it can be difficult to control the lines at begining, it can save a lot of time and energy, especially for the color pages.

 

[capricorn]

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Yeah I guess you raise a pretty good point especially when we're talking about her health. Perhaps her assistants could take over that area if it were digital also. That is unless Hoshino doesn't want them to touch her work LOL because of fair that they'll screw it up. Artists can be like that sometimes. I'm really not that convinced by their (her assistants) graphic work in the chapters, which is assuming that they are the ones responsible for that right? But i'm really happy to see some improvement approaching chapter 218.

 

[kannazuki]

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I really love the current style of her DGM artwork. Some people have had some trouble reading action scenes (?) but I don't think it's been too bad. I've seen way worse, anyway. I hope doing it digital will keep that standard. I wonder if part of the hiatus is to allow her to get the learning curve down for using that format? Just a bit of speculation there. ^_^

 

[capricorn]

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I really love the current style of her DGM artwork. Some people have had some trouble reading action scenes (?) but I don't think it's been too bad. I've seen way worse, anyway. I hope doing it digital will keep that standard. I wonder if part of the hiatus is to allow her to get the learning curve down for using that format? Just a bit of speculation there. ^_^

I really don't get that though. I get that the panels are sometimes a bit clustered because of the details Hoshino packs in to panels but to me that just makes for more eye candy. Plus the recent action scenes with the exception of probably Alma arc were pretty good (especially the ones with Apocryphos).

But yeah, I'm really hoping digital can maintain a standard in terms of the graphics. Really comfortable with the most recent drawing though but with Hoshino's health I really have to wonder what her plans are going to be when she returns.

 

[REN KOUEN]

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does anyone else feel like lenalee is the best female character in all of shounen manga?

when i think about it, i cannot find another female character i like more, she is both strong and beautiful, and she is willing to risk her life

i fell in lovw with her after she beat the level three akuma on that ship

but i always liked her before that also

i am hoping to see more of her in the future once the manga starts back up

 

[Googlez_kun]

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does anyone else feel like lenalee is the best female character in all of shounen manga?

when i think about it, i cannot find another female character i like more, she is both strong and beautiful, and she is willing to risk her life

i fell in lovw with her after she beat the level three akuma on that ship

but i always liked her before that also

i am hoping to see more of her in the future once the manga starts back up

Read Nausicaä.