The first pic is post time-skip. Jozu appeared pre-time skip. As I said, before the time-skip Oda did not show when a character was using haki. He did not start until after the time skip. That picture was after the time skip, so of course armament haki makes body parts black. Of course Jozu's body did not turn black. It turned into diamonds, before the time skip, before Oda ever drew any haki transformations.
The second picture is unidentifiable. Please link directly to the chapter it is from. If you linked to the chapter, instead cutting out one panel, it would be easy to tell. Post time-skip = haki. Pre time-skip = not haki. Luffy did not know how to use armament haki before the time skip.
Haki was used in pre time-skip, but hardening wasn't shown to be used. When Luffy hit the Pacifista with Jet Pistol, he was using haki, albeit it wasn't black.
If Joz is a proficient Armament user, he could've reached the transformation phase without having to go frame by frame through the blackening phase. I'm sure after some arcs, the author won't be wasting panels displaying slowly the phases of Luffy's transformations. It's already happening with Gear 2. After the timeskip, the author ceased showing Luffy initiating his technique by pumping his bloodflow.
I'm sorry. I thought that by showing you only that panel I would make it easier for you to see what I was trying to show you. It was a hard find though. Linking the entire page should've been much easier.
http://www.mangapanda.com/one-piece/644/18
It's very easy to tell. In every other panel of the fight Luffy is shown with arm blackened. You just chose the frame where his
arm is obscured. haki,
haki,
haki,
haki.
No, it's not. And if you keep on insisting , please show me the panel that displays any sign of fire. The panel I showed you displays clearly Luffy's arm on impact. When Luffy used Red Hawk, before he hit Hody, his arm started transforming & transformed, but when he hit Chinjao, before & long after impact, his arm hasn't shown any sign of fire.
Devil fruit abilities have been defined by the author. Jozu's powers perfectly fit the definition. It does not fit the definition of armament haki usage. Body parts did not transform to demonstrate armament haki was being used back then. Now that transformation is drawn, Jozu's transformation does not resemble armament haki transformation, even characters described as exceptional users.
Like I said, a proficient user doesn't need to go through the blackening phase just as how Luffy ceased going through the blood pumping phase. Or perhaps the author simply skipped showing that along the many other things he avoided showing.
Every time a character has used conquerors haki, weak characters have been knocked out. Other than a little bit of wood splitting, the results are the same every time. Not similar, the same. When weak characters are knocked out, we know it's conqueror's haki. Oda even repeated the
sky splitting when Luffy fought
Don Chinjao, a confirmed conqueror's haki user. Every use of conqueror's haki throughout the series has been identical to the pic you posted, except wood splitting in the background. When Jozu transformed into diamond no other character had ever been shown transforming when they use armament haki. Oda has since started showing when characters use armament haki, but the transformation does not resemble Jozu's transformation.
That "little wood splitting" is what I am talking about. That is the indication of an advanced use of Conqueror Haki. Knocking out people is typical of Conqueror Haki just as how touching Logia users is typical of Armament Haki.
Oda hasn't showed a sky splitting ever again. Do you see a long lined fissure in the clouds anywhere?
http://www.batoto.net/read/_/185636/one-piece_ch716_by_mangarule/17
The page you linked has no clouds. This one is much better because it shows the collision from a farther distance that covers in particular the clouds above them.
When Whitebeard joined the fray, he was already in a mortal condition. The stab could've been affecting his Haki usage. Age also could have been affecting his haki usage.
Marco commented on it when Squardo stabbed him.
Now let's talk about Marco. When Marco landed a hit on Kizaru and another one, to save Luffy, on Aokiji, it might have been because it didn't require going through hardening to reach the desired result. It's like Mihawk said,"I am not stupid enough to use a cannon to hunt a rabbit." Also, when Ace's back was penetrated by Akainu's magmatic fist, Marco and Vista hit him without using blackening. It could've been because Marco was still slightly affected by the aftereffects of Kairoseki and Kizaru's laser beams.
Don't forget that just after Onigumo cuffed Marco, he was hit hit by Kizaru's laser beams. He was like that for many chapters. He should have lost lot of blood. When a person goes through blood loss, s/he feels dizzy.
Ace wasn't shown to use blackening after he was freed. It could have been because of his excessive reliance on his DF and his carelessness against other opponents.
Akainu commented on this. "Just because we're both logia, you got careless..." Nothing so far indicates that he was an Armament Haki user anyway.
Let's not forget that rank meant practically nothing to Whitebeard. Joz could've been Wb's right hand man as an Armament Haki user.
It is also very similar to how every logia user fights, how Luffy fights, how Mr. 1 fights, Magellan fights, and how Mr. 3 use devil fruit to fight. All of those characters partially transform more often they fully transform. Jozu's transformation resembled all of their transformations, without exception. At the time Jozu appeared in the series characters did not transform at all when using armament haki. Now that they do transform, the transformation does not resemble Jozu's.
Joz's transformation is similar to Logia users as well. That much is true. If Luffy hadn't said Gear second armed and the author showed only his transformed hand and skipped showing the hardening phase, most would have argued that Luffy ate his brother's fruit. Luffy's Red Hawk is very similar to Ace's Firefist.
People are allowed to disagree with you, that doesn't make them intolerant. Posting a message like that makes you the intolerant one. If people disagreeing with you is that much of a problem, keep your opinion to yourself. Posting quotes like that is just childish. If someone is truly acting intolerant, be the bigger man and ignore them. If you're not willing to debate in an adult manner, don't expect any one else to, either. Debate is fun, it's a good way to get other perspectives. It's just a manga, who cares who is right or wrong. Why get so worked up over something that should be relaxing?
Yes, they are allowed to disagree with me. Otherwise, my being here is just to cause trouble.
The problem isn't with people disagreeing with me, but with
insulting other people's ideas without even bothering on making a proper argument explaining their disagreement.
Two things:
- impoliteness.
- no argument.
"If someone is truly acting intolerant, be the bigger man and ignore them."
This applies over you as well.
How does my message make me intolerant? The word intolerant, by definition, means unwilling to accept ways of thinking and behaving that are different from one's own. If I truly had been unwilling to accept new ideas & consider other people's opinions, I wouldn't have been taking the time of carefully reading your post, amiably considering it, and kindly replying to it.
If you're not willing to debate in an adult manner, don't expect any one else to, either.
This applies over anyone who debates in an immature manner, and it gives the other party good justification for behaving correspondingly.
This approach will just make the discussion chaotic.
Assuming I am indeed childish, by your reasoning, I have good justification for childishly standing up to posts like these:
"That is, quiet literally, the second-dumbest theory I have ever read. Right after "Zoro has already surpassed Mihawk". Why do I even bother reading threads like this?"
But why are you justifying my approach and simultaneously criticizing it? Do one thing and leave the other. Otherwise; your paragraph contradicts itself.
Please, Mr Kaiten, refrain from accusations. You can't know whether I was worked up or not. I could have written it while loling.
I'm but an account with text as my words. Text alone, in some cases, can't be taken as evidence for the emotional state of a person.
The purpose of
my quotation is to show that once we clear out all the distractions, we can focus on what remains. Sometimes what is left is easy to believe, other times it can seem highly improbable. However, with the impossible eliminated, what remains are the only possible solutions. And one of them must be the truth.
Take care.
