Did Ace Survive...

[Tailsnake]

Luffy is naturally powerful, even if he got caught he would still put up quite a melee fight with his bare hands. If they do fight, I think that the fight will come down to that in the end.

 

[venicia777]

Luffy is naturally powerful, even if he got caught he would still put up quite a melee fight with his bare hands. If they do fight, I think that the fight will come down to that in the end.

i agree-although we dont know how strong luffy is physically without his DF. i think his physical strength will play a major role. when what was his name- said that he thought when users got DF-power they depend soo much on their abilities ... that he was impressed Ace could still fight... (something like that)-- i thought that opened a window for Luffy'S natural physical strength to play a role within a fight with BB.

 

[Anti-panda]

Luffy is naturally powerful, even if he got caught he would still put up quite a melee fight with his bare hands. If they do fight, I think that the fight will come down to that in the end.

You guy's are forgetting... what effect BB darkness will have on normal people even. He told his crew to run far away to avoid being caught ... the reason ace didn't suffer is because Logia types can regenerate when a part of him was sucked in.
Now any non-Logia type df user or a normal person would probably just have thier arm or leg ripped off or it would suck them in by whatever part was touched.
So I think the only way to hurt BB would be to attack him without even touching him ... Long range projectiles ... zoro's 180lbs canon ect...

 

[OP_overlord]

yeah i think your right but BB sucks you up to him and then hits you while you have no powers so luffy wouldnt get sucked in just punched and then he would hit BB and if BB isnt touching you you still have your powers and thus luffy would just hold onto something and not be sucked in to the vortex

 

[Anti-panda]

... luffy would just hold onto something and not be sucked in to the vortex

I think your underestimating a black hole ... i mean if it's comparable light can't even escape the pull of a black hole once it gets close to it. So it's not like you can just hold on to something and not get sucked in.

 

[OP_overlord]

yeah but its a manga oda can do what he wants luffy could use the move that he used against arlong wher he digs his feet into the ground but it bacfired against him and BB could just extend the hole along the ground...
so...i guess he would be able to hold on to anything i hope luffy has an idea how to beat him then cause im out of them for now


so back on topic

and ace is still out for the count and BB is getting info out of him on WB powers and other division comanders while useing him as bait to get to luffy

 

[Anti-panda]

out of curiousity... Is anybody of the mind that Ace DID die? And I'd like to hear those arguments otherwise this thread is pretty Mute.




Ace Did not die.... he just fell asleep underneath the piles of rubble. During the battle.

 

[venicia777]

So I think the only way to hurt BB would be to attack him without even touching him ... Long range projectiles ... zoro's 180lbs canon ect...

sO what are you saying here? That you think people who fight with fists or punching power from a part of their body have no chance to hurt BB?

That means people like Garp, Sanji are useless before BB-- cant even hurt him?
what is your reason behind this argument?

 

[War]

Ok, this is getting very off-topic now. I guess everyone forgot about the title "Did Ace Survive...". xD

So I think the only way to hurt BB would be to attack him without even touching him ... Long range projectiles ... zoro's 180lbs canon ect...

sO what are you saying here? That you think people who fight with fists or punching power from a part of their body have no chance to hurt BB?

That means people like Garp, Sanji are useless before BB-- cant even hurt him?
what is your reason behind this argument?

I thought the only thing BB affected when someone touched him was their DF ability?

Anyway, I believe that this fight would show the power Luffy had even without his DF ability. Actually, he already showed it once, when he whacked that guy with legs as springs at the town BB met Luffy.

 

[venicia777]

That is what i thought too!!!

That is why some of us dont believe luffy standing away from BB and firing attacks from His Gear 2 state is the only way.

Unless i read the whole thing wrong.

 

[War]

Luffy is naturally powerful, even if he got caught he would still put up quite a melee fight with his bare hands. If they do fight, I think that the fight will come down to that in the end.

You guy's are forgetting... what effect BB darkness will have on normal people even. He told his crew to run far away to avoid being caught ... the reason ace didn't suffer is because Logia types can regenerate when a part of him was sucked in.
Now any non-Logia type df user or a normal person would probably just have thier arm or leg ripped off or it would suck them in by whatever part was touched.
So I think the only way to hurt BB would be to attack him without even touching him ... Long range projectiles ... zoro's 180lbs canon ect...

Hmmm.. I think the reason he told his crew to stand away was because BB didn't want them to interfere and didn't want to suck them to his body, not because he didn't want them to have their arm or leg ripped off. Anyway, when Ace touched BB he would become a normal person for the time-being. So why weren't his arms or legs ripped off? I'm not to sure about this. O.o

And pls note that BB wants Luffy for his bounty and to ensure him becoming part of the 7 pirate gods. Thus, he probably wouldn't want to suck him in.

 

[OP_overlord]

yeah but he could have just used ace to become a shichubukai and not need luffy but if eveone used long range attacks then they would demolish BB and ace will be saved and help them out

 

[Anti-panda]

What I am saying is if your punch connects BB might take damage from it and then you get drawn in by his Df so even if the punch hits ... It sucks in your arm and crushes it. Now this may not crush luffy's arm since it is rubber. Except that BB has already stated that he has the power of the Devil ... Just like sea stone Df users have thier powers nullified... really what it comes down to is if luffy has his power nullified when BB touches him and is a normal ( I use this term loosely) human or If he is still made of rubber but has his strength sapped.

Yes I would say based on what we've seen thus far Basic physical attacks are useless against BB. Because even if you punch it a black hole will still crush you.

 

[venicia777]

Useless in what sense? Useless in not being able to eventually defeat him or useless in that they cant hurt him?

 

[OP_overlord]

wiat you cant crush luffy even if BB has the power of the sea which takes the power out luffy is no normal DF use he is always in it form saying that he is always a rubber man while a logai DF user can be "normal" we have seen this once in teh arlong fight lufy was underwater but they still got his head above water so luffy is one of teh few ppl that can beat BB just like he was the only person to beat eneru

 

[War]

Yes I would say based on what we've seen thus far Basic physical attacks are useless against BB. Because even if you punch it a black hole will still crush you.

I don't think so though. If the SHs meet BB, it will be a fight between Luffy and BB.

And are you saying that when a physical attack hits BB a black hole will appear and suck the hand or leg or head or whatever part of the body that was attacking? O.o

 

[OP_overlord]

it doesnt matter luffy cant get arms ripped off he is always a fubber man if BB power is just like the sea/ seastone than he cant get rid of luffy's powers so he can hit him and still be a rubber man

 

[sahugani]

this is a little off topic, so please return...
...but before that, as far as i can see, Blackbeard's power doesn't work for his actual body. he emits the darkness that causes all thingsto collapse into it, so its not quite like a black hole, but more like severe compression and loss of DF abilities is an added bonus

now back on topic

how the previous theory applies to Ace is that i wonder how he'd transport Ace to the WG if that is his plan cause he'd have to be holding him continuously or have some kairoseki handcuffs (which i doubt). i think its likely that he tried to kill Ace cause the logia would be hard to transport otherwise, but i think that since we were not shown the body and many other story/plot reasons i highly doubt that Ace has died

 

[conan]

well I was rereading one piece, and really oda sensei leaves lots of clues in the beginning sometimes, like garp appearing in the chapters 50-100 in the covers when helmepo and coby had their side story, but one of the clues is the following, its about when ace met luffy in alabasta, ace gave luffy a small piece of paper and told him " keep it, you can always find me with that " then nami sewed it on the ribbon around his straw hat to keep it, this might be sudden but I think after gekko moria and thriller bark is out of the game, I think luffy might actually find the whereabouts of ace, and he wont be far since black beard is after luffy any way, and he will help him, that means ace most likely did survive the fight with black beard teach, its just speculation, you never know.

 

[triniman121]

i really think he survived. He has to meet luffy at least one more time of that piece of paper he gave him would be irrelevant