Discussion Do you think Gustang is weaker than Arlene?

[Lonatian]

Currently, Gustang is considered one of the weakest family heads.
Arlene has never shown any strength, but her specialty is mystical spells.
This is just a small survey to see how many people here think Arlene is stronger than Gustang?

For me, Gustang is still stronger than Arlene, I don't appreciate her strength.

 

[Demonspeed]

No. He was never considered as one of the strongest AFAIR.

I truly don't understand that eagerness to find out who is the weakest. Is it because we already know who is the strongest? In 3 months or something I am sure people's opinion of Gustang will change again.

 

[Lonatian]

No. He was never considered as one of the strongest AFAIR.

I truly don't understand that eagerness to find out who is the weakest. Is it because we already know who is the strongest? In 3 months or something I am sure people's opinion of Gustang will change again.

I'm not saying he's the strongest. But I'm not sure if he's the weakest.
But I don't understand why people still have such a low evaluation of him.
In addition, they have a high evaluation of Arlene. They say she is stronger than most other FHs.
I'm really confused why they think that way?

 

[Ray Barracuda]

Arlene is a very funny character in this fandom, everyone's last remaining favourite fanfic character since the dethronement of V.

Nah, she's weaker than Gustang.

The she was on the same level as Zahard or above, stronger than all the FH's and all the rest shit is so gonna end up aging terribly bad and I'll laugh just the same.

 

[Lonatian]

Arlene is a very funny character in this fandom, everyone's last remaining favourite fanfic character since the dethronement of V.

Nah, she's weaker than Gustang.

The she was on the same level as Zahard or above, stronger than all the FH's and all the rest shit is so gonna end up aging terribly bad and I'll laugh just the same.

The funniest thing is that they think she's strong because Zahard loves her.
I'm not sure which country they got the idea from that the King would choose the strongest girl as his Queen.

 

[Ray Barracuda]

The funniest thing is that they think she's strong because Zahard loves her.
I'm not sure which country they got the idea from that the King would choose the strongest girl as his Queen.

Too much National geographic I say to that

 

[Pro Factor]

There is literally 0 info to even guess anything about strength of Arlene…

 

[Jackjohsnon]

Probably the weakest fighting close combat, but she should have very strong spells and another special shinsoo control, or perhaps fate seeing... who knows. I think they are similar.


Upper Tier FH: Urek, V, Z, Eurasia, Arie, Khun, Ha.

Lower Tier FH: Arlene, Gustang, Traumerei, Yirang, Hendo, Ari, Tu Perie.

And then those who could be a threat to a tired FH without immortality: Adori, Enne, Baek, Luslec, Three Lords, etc.

 

[zoradante1]

Probably the weakest fighting close combat, but she should have very strong spells and another special shinsoo control, or perhaps fate seeing... who knows. I think they are similar.


Upper Tier FH: Urek, V, Z, Eurasia, Arie, Khun, Ha.

Lower Tier FH: Arlene, Gustang, Traumerei, Yirang, Hendo, Ari, Tu Perie.

And then those who could be a threat to a tired FH without immortality: Adori, Enne, Baek, Luslec, Three Lords, etc.

i dont think three lords are that strong btw, except for molic.

 

[Lonatian]

Probably the weakest fighting close combat, but she should have very strong spells and another special shinsoo control, or perhaps fate seeing... who knows. I think they are similar.


Upper Tier FH: Urek, V, Z, Eurasia, Arie, Khun, Ha.

Lower Tier FH: Arlene, Gustang, Traumerei, Yirang, Hendo, Ari, Tu Perie.

And then those who could be a threat to a tired FH without immortality: Adori, Enne, Baek, Luslec, Three Lords, etc.

Why do people think Tu Perie is lower tier FH?
He is ranked higher than Blossom, while not a single member of his family has ever appeared.
If it's not because he's strong, then does that mean his influence is too high?

 

[Demonspeed]

There is literally 0 info to even guess anything about strength of Arlene…

1. She was one of the 13 GW so she was much stronger than any Towerborn.
2. Weaker than Zahard and V.
3. Gustang told Baam that Arlen tried to stop him from doing something foolish before and that she failed when Baam was trying to fight to stop him, implying that she didn't manage to stop/defeat him. Just recently we got Urek, who managed to stop him.

 

[Pro Factor]

1. She was one of the 13 GW so she was much stronger than any Towerborn.
2. Weaker than Zahard and V.
3. Gustang told Baam that Arlen tried to stop him from doing something foolish before and that she failed when Baam was trying to fight to stop him, implying that she didn't manage to stop/defeat him. Just recently we got Urek, who managed to stop him.

This tells us nothing as 10 other people fall into first two categories. As for 3rd we don't even know if Gustang meant she tried to stop him as if in combat wise, he maybe was talking she tried to convince GWs to not do something and failed.

 

[XXGenesis]

Idk.

I hate to admit it. However, Yes Arlen Grace has been Hyped crazy by the fandom all on the basis of; Zahard wanting to marry her; Her using spells; Being Baam’s Mother;

It’s understandable but the fandom has run rampant with this presumption, that Arlene Grace was special even among the GW.

 

[kkck]

Generally my idea has been that the best way to guestimate how family heads compare to one another is based on how effective their talents are at single combat. And of course this is just a guess considering changes to the lore and that other shenanigans could be at play. Like with gustang who was supposed to be a defensive wave controller but when we saw him fight I don't think he shot a single bang at traumerei. Meanwhile traumerei, an anima who did most of what we'd expect an anima to do and then some, also showed disconnect which is a broken skill. But when considering arlen... the only thing we have been told is that she was good at spells. And spells are bullshit. Spells are nonsense which functions on the fringes of the tower's rules and outside the rules of shinsoo combat. They can utterly shut down someone in your tier and in some cases someone stronger than your. A being on par with a family head that specializes in spells is a terrifying prospect. Gustang is framed as good at spells but he doesn't use them in combat. Luslec does and to his credit he got urek to actually try against him a bit.

It's also worth noting that SIU occasionally tries to maintain the video game setting so being effective against one type of fighting does not mean being effective against another.

 

[Lonatian]

he maybe was talking she tried to convince GWs to not do something and failed.

Why do you think Arlene would convince them with words instead of fighting? In the middle of a war?

 

[Pro Factor]

Why do you think Arlene would convince them with words instead of fighting? In the middle of a war?

How do you know he was talking about what happened in the middle of the war? Where exactly he mentioned war?

 

[Lonatian]

How do you know he was talking about what happened in the middle of the war? Where exactly he mentioned war?

"Just like your mother tried to do in the past. Although in the end, she failed."

So you guessed that was before the war happened.
And Arlene just failed to convince Gustang with words because of something he did in the past that had nothing to do with the war.

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The only thing in Arlene's past that could have failed was the war. I don't believe Gustang is talking about anything else.

 

[Pro Factor]

"Just like your mother tried to do in the past. Although in the end, she failed."

So you guessed that was before the war happened.
And Arlene just failed to convince Gustang with words because of something he did in the past that had nothing to do with the war.

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The only thing in Arlene's past that could have failed was the war. I don't believe Gustang is talking about anything else.

I asked a simple question, not for philosophy lesson. I will ask again...

Where exactly he mentioned war?

 

[Lonatian]

I asked a simple question, not for philosophy lesson. I will ask again...

Where exactly he mentioned war?

Okay, my bad, as you wish, Gustang did not mention the war.

So what did Arlene fail to stop Gustang from doing?
- Does anyone here think it is not about the war excepts you?

Which sentence of Gustang says Arlene convinced him?
- Does anyone here think Arlene convinced him with words?

He just said she tried to stop him. And she failed.
So for you, words are enough to stop someone? Either Arlene is a stupid girl or she is delusional.

At least, as far as I know, they had a war because they did not share the same ideology as the other side. And according to Garam, V and Arlene were the ones who started the war.

 

[Demonspeed]

Generally my idea has been that the best way to guestimate how family heads compare to one another is based on how effective their talents are at single combat. And of course this is just a guess considering changes to the lore and that other shenanigans could be at play. Like with gustang who was supposed to be a defensive wave controller but when we saw him fight I don't think he shot a single bang at traumerei. Meanwhile traumerei, an anima who did most of what we'd expect an anima to do and then some, also showed disconnect which is a broken skill. But when considering arlen... the only thing we have been told is that she was good at spells. And spells are bullshit. Spells are nonsense which functions on the fringes of the tower's rules and outside the rules of shinsoo combat. They can utterly shut down someone in your tier and in some cases someone stronger than your. A being on par with a family head that specializes in spells is a terrifying prospect. Gustang is framed as good at spells but he doesn't use them in combat. Luslec does and to his credit he got urek to actually try against him a bit.

It's also worth noting that SIU occasionally tries to maintain the video game setting so being effective against one type of fighting does not mean being effective against another.

Arlen is probably a WC-Sorcerer.

This tells us nothing as 10 other people fall into first two categories. As for 3rd we don't even know if Gustang meant she tried to stop him as if in combat wise, he maybe was talking she tried to convince GWs to not do something and failed.

Considering the context, it's very likely that she tried to stop him using force though? Keep in mind that Arlen was used to stopping quarrels between Zahard and V and got along with everyone. What Gustang said there is pretty significant knowing that.

Baam is telling Gustang to stop and Gustang V dares him to try stopping him, claiming that he'll fail just like his mother. What happened? Baam lost.