Shounen Doubt by Tonogai Yoshiki

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Guys you don't have to use these spoilers tags - it's kinda annoying. A spoiler tag should only be used when
1. a raw hasn't come out but you got a script and some pictures
2. a untranslated/unscanlated raw is available (that last one isn't obliged, though recommended)
3. you talk about a raw that hasn't been released at mangahelpers

These are scanlated chapters we talk about. These are discussion and predictions we do. These are threads that should be entered on own risk
lol i agree
i thought this was a place to talk about it not use spoilers to read what other ppl typed >_>
i got lazy of opening those spoilers. so i didnt read what ppl had to say at all :p
so all in all, i dont look at this thread until another mystery comes up.
 

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i'm loving this manga :nuts so suspensful! it does seem a lot like saw, though. if the wolf turns out to be rei, eiji, or the bald guy it'll really end up being a total saw rip-off. at this point, i'm leaning toward either yuu or mitsuki just because they seem least likely to be the wolf, which in turn makes me most suspicious of them. does that make sense? :blink

gah! i guess i'll have to just wait to find out >.>
 

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I don't see any motive for mitsuki or yuui to kill the 3, and I don't think it would be merely someone teying to playing a game - oh well, it's not based on facts
 

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The RAW for chapter 10 is out, so expect a Edited Manga soon.
 

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where's the raw? is it in RTS thread?
 

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Nope, it's not, but I saw a link for it somewhere, but I don't have it though.
 

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It's not getting scanlated...which website has raws...?
 

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I LOVE THIS MANGA!

Okay,mystery geek mode on here so excuse me for sounding crazy XD

This reminds A LOT of And Then Were None by Agatha Christie,a classic mystery thriller. Anyone here ever read that? It's basically the same story.
10 people get stuck in an island. THEY ARE THE ONLY ONES THERE. As they get there,they see the following poem:

Ten little Soldier boys went out to dine; One choked his little self and then there were Nine.
Nine little Soldier boys sat up very late; One overslept himself and then there were Eight.
Eight little Soldier boys traveling in Devon; One said he'd stay there and then there were Seven.
Seven little Soldier boys chopping up sticks; One chopped himself in halves and then there were Six.
Six little Soldier boys playing with a hive; A bumblebee stung one and then there were Five.
Five little Soldier boys going in for law; One got into Chancery and then there were Four.
Four little Soldier boys going out to sea; A red herring swallowed one and then there were Three.
Three little Soldier boys walking in the Zoo; A big bear hugged one and then there were Two.
Two little Soldier boys were out in the sun; One got all frizzled up and then there was one. (in some versions Two Little Soldier boys playing with a gun; One shot the other and then there was one.)
One little Soldier boy left all alone; He went out and hanged himself and then there were none.
And then every single one of them is killed. EVERY SINGLE ONE. ONLY one of the 10 could have been the killer. AND YET, none of them COULD. Because they were all KILLED and there was no suicide,except by the last person,but that person wasn't the killer. Who is the killer then? Eh bien use your little gray cells to figure it out!(Cookie to who gets the reference)

Anyway, like I said they are both extremely similar.

Back to Doubt...I have 3 theories. No,4.

Theory #1: The killer is...Mitsuki!

WHAT? Okay,here is goes:

One: She is crazy about justice and rules,that has already been established.
That would(along with a sad past) justify her killings.
Two: She was supposed to be there by "accident" and yet they had her data.

That point was raised in the manga,but never solved.

If she was the killer then.....That is where my theory gets a bit frail. She had the motive,and what SEEMS like a clue. But WHY would she put herself in there? The only reason I can possibly think is that she (assuming that she is the killer) put herself in there was to frame Yuu. That sounds somewhat pushing it,since she had no way of knowing that she wouldn't frame herself with that, but considering that this is a manga not a book, she could have been a genius who planned every single detail, including the camera angles and how Yuu saw Eiji being killed, and didn't see Hajime. Calculating that Hajime was very smart and he wouldn't suspect Yuu anymore giving the circumstances, she could[/b] be the killer.

Points against this theory:
Her birthday is the day after the whole game thing. Doesn't make any sense for her to do something like that before her birthday.

Theory #2: The And Then Were None Theory:
Some spoilers about the and then were none book here. Many actually. Major spoilers.

In the book,the way that 10 people were killed with one of them being the killer was actually very simple. One of them wasn't killed. He faked it.
The same thing could be happening here. Is Rei really dead? They didn't seem to check it. Sure it seems like she is dead, but is that even her?
The fact is,they never checked it. She was stabbed so they concluded she was dead, but a simple trick could have faked it.
If she is indeed alive, the only possible explanation is that she is the killer.

Points against it: She has a barcode. If they attempted to use it, they would find out that she is alive(probably).
Possible explanation for points against it: She thought that since they were just learning how to use the bar code system, they would think of using her barcode only as a last resort.
This explanation can be proven(or disproving) if they see rei's body one more time. If she is still there, then hell she is dead. If not,hell she is alive and the killer.

Theory #3: The Murder of Roger Ackroyd Theory:
Yuu is the killer. His reactions might seem to imply that he is not(specially given the fact that he is the main character,hence the Roger Ackroyd thing)
But he could be just acting. Killed Rei,then drugged himself.
Seems simple enough.

Theory 3 B) The Dr.Jerkyll and Mr.Hyde theory:


HE sent the message to Hajime telling him that the meeting had changed places. But he honestly didn't know that. If he had another personality, that would be easily explained. The other personality also would have made the research on Yuu and Mitsuki, and he could have even called her there(and Yuu doesn't know that) hence why they are all there.

Seems a bit pushy, but it sounds like it would be a plausible and awesome ending for Doubt.

Theory 4: The VERY,VERY Insane theory
The killer is....Mitsuki's dad.
Don't ask me why,I just suspect him. This isn't even a theory.
He isn't even a character.
....or maybe no one is actually dead and the whole thing is just a game and they don't know that?



Anyway, as for Hajime and Haruka,they don't seem like the killer to me.
Hajime seems to be way to....classic for a killer.
He is clearly the smartest one of the group, and the killer is usually smart.
And it is a cliché that the most obvious person is never the killer.

But again,if he is so smart why is he acting smart? He should know better!
Acting dumb would be the solution!
...so if he is acting smart,then he is the real killer?
....Theory number 5? haha
Haruka.....Humm that would be great for the "less obvious character is always the killer" cliché, but I don't have anything to say on her.

Sorry for the gigantic post, but I just am the biggest mystery lover ever....And I'm loving this manga!
 

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Chapter 10 is out!
Oh, nice theories Sherlock Holmes :] ( we can see by your nick that you love mystery^^ )
I love Agatha Christie books, but never read the one you mentioned. I'll definitely check it out :]

After this chapter I'm starting to suspect Mitsuki @.@
Now, some spoilers about the chapter o/
Haruka's head appearing was a little too sudden o.o
But if Yuu finds her body he should be able to get the little girl barcode to open the final door. The only problem is that he'll probably go running to check if Mitsuki's fine. And that delay might cost him the chance to escape.
And if Mitsuki really is the wolf then I pity Hajime ><
 

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Yes,I'm also suspecting Mitsuki*points up to theory#1*
My theory#1 just got more stuff to work with huh...
 

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Hajime acts sooooo suspicious in chapter 10!!! Though I'm seriously thinking that either Rei or Mitsuki is the wolf, I think Mitsuki is the more likely out of the three.
 

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Ahh, Can't wait for a month to find out Hajime or Mitsuki is the killer, though hajime was seemed so creepy and suspicious....... the most surprising killer would probably be Yuu, since the story is told from his view point, which makes me suspect him a little

The man with rabbit hat on was on the binder right? then does that mean Mitsuki was once confined there as well...?
 

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Ahh, Can't wait for a month to find out Hajime or Mitsuki is the killer, though hajime was seemed so creepy and suspicious....... the most surprising killer would probably be Yuu, since the story is told from his view point, which makes me suspect him a little

The man with rabbit hat on was on the binder right? then does that mean Mitsuki was once confined there as well...?
Yeah right now I really but really think that Yuu is the killer.
Although we can't rule out the possibility that the killer is neither Yuu nor any of the main characters. Just a random psycho.
That would be a twist haha.
 

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I LOVE THIS MANGA!

Okay,mystery geek mode on here so excuse me for sounding crazy XD

This reminds A LOT of And Then Were None by Agatha Christie,a classic mystery thriller. Anyone here ever read that? It's basically the same story.
10 people get stuck in an island. THEY ARE THE ONLY ONES THERE. As they get there,they see the following poem:



And then every single one of them is killed. EVERY SINGLE ONE. ONLY one of the 10 could have been the killer. AND YET, none of them COULD. Because they were all KILLED and there was no suicide,except by the last person,but that person wasn't the killer. Who is the killer then? Eh bien use your little gray cells to figure it out!(Cookie to who gets the reference)

Anyway, like I said they are both extremely similar.

Back to Doubt...I have 3 theories. No,4.

Theory #1: The killer is...Mitsuki!

WHAT? Okay,here is goes:

One: She is crazy about justice and rules,that has already been established.
That would(along with a sad past) justify her killings.
Two: She was supposed to be there by "accident" and yet they had her data.

That point was raised in the manga,but never solved.

If she was the killer then.....That is where my theory gets a bit frail. She had the motive,and what SEEMS like a clue. But WHY would she put herself in there? The only reason I can possibly think is that she (assuming that she is the killer) put herself in there was to frame Yuu. That sounds somewhat pushing it,since she had no way of knowing that she wouldn't frame herself with that, but considering that this is a manga not a book, she could have been a genius who planned every single detail, including the camera angles and how Yuu saw Eiji being killed, and didn't see Hajime. Calculating that Hajime was very smart and he wouldn't suspect Yuu anymore giving the circumstances, she could[/b] be the killer.

Points against this theory:
Her birthday is the day after the whole game thing. Doesn't make any sense for her to do something like that before her birthday.

Theory #2: The And Then Were None Theory:
Some spoilers about the and then were none book here. Many actually. Major spoilers.

In the book,the way that 10 people were killed with one of them being the killer was actually very simple. One of them wasn't killed. He faked it.
The same thing could be happening here. Is Rei really dead? They didn't seem to check it. Sure it seems like she is dead, but is that even her?
The fact is,they never checked it. She was stabbed so they concluded she was dead, but a simple trick could have faked it.
If she is indeed alive, the only possible explanation is that she is the killer.

Points against it: She has a barcode. If they attempted to use it, they would find out that she is alive(probably).
Possible explanation for points against it: She thought that since they were just learning how to use the bar code system, they would think of using her barcode only as a last resort.
This explanation can be proven(or disproving) if they see rei's body one more time. If she is still there, then hell she is dead. If not,hell she is alive and the killer.

Theory #3: The Murder of Roger Ackroyd Theory:
Yuu is the killer. His reactions might seem to imply that he is not(specially given the fact that he is the main character,hence the Roger Ackroyd thing)
But he could be just acting. Killed Rei,then drugged himself.
Seems simple enough.

Theory 3 B) The Dr.Jerkyll and Mr.Hyde theory:


HE sent the message to Hajime telling him that the meeting had changed places. But he honestly didn't know that. If he had another personality, that would be easily explained. The other personality also would have made the research on Yuu and Mitsuki, and he could have even called her there(and Yuu doesn't know that) hence why they are all there.

Seems a bit pushy, but it sounds like it would be a plausible and awesome ending for Doubt.

Theory 4: The VERY,VERY Insane theory
The killer is....Mitsuki's dad.
Don't ask me why,I just suspect him. This isn't even a theory.
He isn't even a character.
....or maybe no one is actually dead and the whole thing is just a game and they don't know that?



Anyway, as for Hajime and Haruka,they don't seem like the killer to me.
Hajime seems to be way to....classic for a killer.
He is clearly the smartest one of the group, and the killer is usually smart.
And it is a cliché that the most obvious person is never the killer.

But again,if he is so smart why is he acting smart? He should know better!
Acting dumb would be the solution!
...so if he is acting smart,then he is the real killer?
....Theory number 5? haha
Haruka.....Humm that would be great for the "less obvious character is always the killer" cliché, but I don't have anything to say on her.

Sorry for the gigantic post, but I just am the biggest mystery lover ever....And I'm loving this manga!


I registered for the soul purpose of posting in this forum. Seriously, this is y first post her in all the forums. Anyway, Haruka is now dead. Here are my one and only theory.(Warning) I suck at explaining my own theories.

My Theory (Coming from Your Theory #2: Rei has hypnotized them all (or just Yuu, the main character, the only person who's POV is know to us), they are just in a dream-like state/illusion that Rei has created for them (Genjutsu of sorts), which seems like forever but is really like a minute or an hour IRL. All the things that happen are base on their own memories and actions, Rei just set the stage. Hajime is actually a person manifested by her imagination, since she "killed" herself off in the beginning, she created an avatar for herself, to watch the others.

Why?: -She either has a twisted sense of humor. (?)
-To prove to Eiji she is an excellent hypnotist/Impress him.
-Created this as a joke, got a little out of hand. (?)
-Her own entertainment, just to see how twisted human nature can be, everyone was really just killing each other off.
 
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It seems to me like too detailed for the whole event to simply the hypnotism by Rei, and that everyone seems to agree on what Hajime is like (his personalities, and his appearance,), and thus creating a "person" even in imagination is pretty...absurd. Anyways, this is just my opinion
This is my friend's opinion, and I agree with it, so I will post it here (sorry if it overlapped with someone else's)
Yuu is the killer. The guy who was in front of the monitors (the one with rabbit hat) before he fainted because of the drug was watching the monitor. Because he knew from the video that Yuu was the killer and the guy behind everything, he tried to strangle him. Other evidences such as the barcode and all are also clues.
The only thing against this is that from Yuu's point of view, we are forced to think that he is not the killer by his thoughts and actions. BUT what we know are only part of what it is actually happening, so, just maybe Yuu is the killer
 

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It seems to me like too detailed for the whole event to simply the hypnotism by Rei, and that everyone seems to agree on what Hajime is like (his personalities, and his appearance,), and thus creating a "person" even in imagination is pretty...absurd. Anyways, this is just my opinion
This is my friend's opinion, and I agree with it, so I will post it here (sorry if it overlapped with someone else's)

The only thing against this is that from Yuu's point of view, we are forced to think that he is not the killer by his thoughts and actions. BUT what we know are only part of what it is actually happening, so, just maybe Yuu is the killer
Yeah I also posted the same theory

Theory #3: The Murder of Roger Ackroyd Theory:
Yuu is the killer. His reactions might seem to imply that he is not(specially given the fact that he is the main character,hence the Roger Ackroyd thing)
But he could be just acting. Killed Rei,then drugged himself.
Seems simple enough.
Maybe he has a second personality. That would explain everything...*points to theory #3, at the evidence that Yuu is the killer*

But I disagree with your friend. The fact that he doesn't have a bar code proves he is innocent. If he was guilty he would put a barcode on himself just to make him look innocent! Isn't that kinda obvious? But of course,if he had two personalities that would (somehow) be explained.

I registered for the soul purpose of posting in this forum. Seriously, this is y first post her in all the forums. Anyway, Haruka is now dead. Here are my one and only theory.(Warning) I suck at explaining my own theories.

My Theory (Coming from Your Theory #2: Rei has hypnotized them all (or just Yuu, the main character, the only person who's POV is know to us), they are just in a dream-like state/illusion that Rei has created for them (Genjutsu of sorts), which seems like forever but is really like a minute or an hour IRL. All the things that happen are base on their own memories and actions, Rei just set the stage. Hajime is actually a person manifested by her imagination, since she "killed" herself off in the beginning, she created an avatar for herself, to watch the others.

Why?: -She either has a twisted sense of humor. (?)
-To prove to Eiji she is an excellent hypnotist/Impress him.
-Created this as a joke, got a little out of hand. (?)
-Her own entertainment, just to see how twisted human nature can be, everyone was really just killing each other off.
You can't hypnotize people THAT much. It's plain impossible......She could however, have hypnotized them to think she died. In the right place, with help from a couple sleeping pills to reduce brain activity +enviromental factors that would make the whole thing more believable to them(they first woke up,taked for a little bit and THEN found her dead.)....then it's,improbable. But possible.
 
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But I disagree with your friend. The fact that he doesn't have a bar code proves he is innocent. If he was guilty he would put a barcode on himself just to make him look innocent! Isn't that kinda obvious? But of course,if he had two personalities that would (somehow) be explained.
really? If he didn't have a barcode, then he will be suspected first. But if he[second personality] is confident enough that he can prove himself to be innocent, and we know he did proved to others that he is innocent
So when someone is proven once to be innocent, then he will be less likely to be suspected again, right? in other words, I think yuu exposed himself so that he won't be suspected later
 

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The Edited Manga for chapter 11 is out, scanlated by SnoopyCool, download the torrent [here].


Just read the chapter, ZOMG, it's a killer.
 
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Can you upload a meguupload/mediafire mirror? Can't use torrent;)
 
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