Hangout Edens Zero Hangout Thread

[strikefreedom]

eh how do you know that? Can you post some proof?

I just take what was said in the last ranking.

What is not the case in France or EZ is very well placed in the top 5 or 10 of the best sales.

 

[revo]

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[King Moe]

Because male nudity (not wearing a shirt) for empowerment and to be a badass, female nudity is just for the audience. Becca trying to get medice in time for Wes? Like 4 ass-pics in tge chapter. Homura fights ? Lets strip her. When Rebecca fought the B-cuber ? Clothes get torn.

How many shower scenes did we get from Wes and Shiki in a shower or in the ether spa?

EZ and FT do give fan-service to a more diverse audience, but the female characters really get the worse side of it.

Not really as Mashima use it for fanservice and even shown nude males since we just had nude Joe few chapters ago. He doesn't mind writing nude males as his past series is evident of that.

Not saying females don't, but same lvl and butt shots? Talking about while in the ship? Not really fanservice. It's stand pilot method in other anime in those type of ships. Not really fanservice as it was more on action than on her body especially that beautiful color spread of missiles. Homura make sense as she doesn't have body suit like Rebecca when Slyph use wind on her. So it's fanservice, but logic.

It is equal with Mashima especially in this series.

 

[PeanutButterJelly]

Not really as Mashima use it for fanservice and even shown nude males since we just had nude Joe few chapters ago. He doesn't mind writing nude males as his past series is evident of that.

Not saying females don't, but same lvl and butt shots? Talking about while in the ship? Not really fanservice. It's stand pilot method in other anime in those type of ships. Not really fanservice as it was more on action than on her body especially that beautiful color spread of missiles. Homura make sense as she doesn't have body suit like Rebecca when Slyph use wind on her. So it's fanservice, but logic.

It is equal with Mashima especially in this series.

Showing a nude 2-3 panels of naked Joe isn't really a equivalent of stripping or using Rebecca as fan-service in nearly every chapter she is in.
The difference between guys and girls, it's when it's used on girls it's when they feel threatened or fear fort heir safety. When guys do it, it's a ˝power move˝. It's about power dynamic. When Joe appeared naked he had the upper hand in the situation, Rebecca was scared what would happen to her.
When she was kidnapped and sold as a slave? Female character when stripped, fear what could happen to them, the worst case scenario ( assault, rape or slavery) , when guys do it? Nah

They could have talked in the cafeteria ? At a table? In any other room ,but we get their first real interaction while they're naked and showering. It's it's normalto talk in the spa/shower, why don't Shiki and Weis do it?

Nobody is talking about colour-spreads, but the actual story?
You don't find it convenient that of all the things Slyph could do ,her ability allows her to strip,and her opponent is female?

 

[King Moe]

Showing a nude 2-3 panels of naked Joe isn't really a equivalent of stripping or using Rebecca as fan-service in nearly every chapter she is in.
The difference between guys and girls, it's when it's used on girls it's when they feel threatened or fear fort heir safety. When guys do it, it's a ˝power move˝. It's about power dynamic. When Joe appeared naked he had the upper hand in the situation, Rebecca was scared what would happen to her.
When she was kidnapped and sold as a slave? Female character when stripped, fear what could happen to them, the worst case scenario ( assault, rape or slavery) , when guys do it? Nah

They could have talked in the cafeteria ? At a table? In any other room ,but we get their first real interaction while they're naked and showering. It's it's normalto talk in the spa/shower, why don't Shiki and Weis do it?

Nobody is talking about colour-spreads, but the actual story?
You don't find it convenient that of all the things Slyph could do ,her ability allows her to strip,and her opponent is female?

She hasn't been stripped to the point of naked in this arc. Do you mean Gulist? That is plot point than being fanservice as Illegia was going to change her to real life naked statues which many statues has shown to be naked in real life like David statues for example. It's more dark than fanservice about it. I would agree if it was pointless fanservice for fanservice, but it wasn't.

It depends on that as I seen series that damage clothing and stripped girls similar to males and it's not treated to make them weak and vulnerable like Ikkitousen, Kenichi: Strongest Disciple, Tengho Tenge, etc.. Even some mainstream anime didn't deter this making them weak. Like HXH, Bleach, SDS, etc..

EZ for this series especially to Mashima aren't using it to make them vulnerable as power move as well. Rebecca didn't stop fighting once her EG torn her leg clothing and Homura not gonna stop fighting even her clothing is damaged and destroyed.

Also fanservice has make guys vulnerable before for example Weisz was naked after his battle in Sun Jewel which was used as same fashion that you would think be female, but Mashima put it on his male for it. There also Mosco being stripped by Sister for 'training' in her room. He not above making males being used in same area. He is unisex with fanservice. It been apparent. His favorite gag was FT with Gray's stripping for comical moments than power move a lot.

He doesn't have biased on females with all evidence he did to males and can be reverse on situation on genders.

If that was the case Slyph would do same to Rebecca, but didn't given reason Rebecca has bodysuit while Homura got a Kimono-like design. One is tighten to the body while other is more loose. It make sense for Wind to tear off clothes from others if you been near Hurricane and Typhoon.

It's not pointless fanservice or no sense. It's reasonable. She probably would do same to others being males too. It's not one way route he only does it to females as he would do the same to males. It's unisex and can be use both genders to make them power move or vulnerable. It's not bad with fanservice on EZ especially compare to past work which I can agree did have pointless fanservice at times, but this one is more toned down and pushing more unisex still. Just saying to you.

 

[strikefreedom]

At the same time there is no 50 way to fan Echii with men, XD.

Remember that even if the target audience has evolved over time, the base remains the same for shonen, these are teen boys.

Putting a naked man on all fours will not have the same effect as a girl at all.

Mashima will do it but will be more for the joke, like natsu who spanks gajeel in the christmas chapter.

The head that natsu and gajeel takes in this scene is very revealing of the state of mind of mashima, neutral / without passion.

As with Gray in Heroes with the tentacles, shinra says it is not necessary to show him the men.

Mashima does this to please the girl and the gay but does not want to linger on it, it is quite logical for a heterosexual guy.

What is most sensualized in a man is these pectoral / chest and buttocks, so we will have a close-up on that but that's it.

He has already shown Wise and shiki in the shower, Gray and natsu nude, but we can't do much better.

The question would rather be what do girls / gay want to see as an echii fan service?

And then ask the lesbian if they like it too XD? Must not forget their opinion on it.

 

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[strikefreedom]

The web is on fire for EZ XD.

Spoiler

 

[natsu x777]

The web is on fire for EZ XD.

Spoiler

Have you read the comments of some Japanese accounts on Twitter? certainly the chapter impact too much.

 

[King Moe]

Have you read the comments of some Japanese accounts on Twitter? certainly the chapter impact too much.

What happen? What they are saying about it in Japan?

 

[natsu x777]

What happen? What they are saying about it in Japan?

https://twitter.com/search?q=エデンズゼロ&src=typed_query&f=live

Take a look, it's better than commenting on xD

 

[King Moe]

https://twitter.com/search?q=エデンズゼロ&src=typed_query&f=live

Take a look, it's better than commenting on xD

Able translate what they are saying? They look shock no doubt.

 

[strikefreedom]

Have you read the comments of some Japanese accounts on Twitter? certainly the chapter impact too much.

No I am not seen, I am only looked at the French Twiter and the watchword that comes up everywhere is "" "" I was not ready "" "XD.

I am not yet seen from '' 'meme' '' English or other to describe the feeling of the current chapter like those that I put above XD

--- Double Post Merged, Feb 27, 2020, Original Post Date: Feb 27, 2020 ---

 

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[yutu]

Following chapter 83, I see a lot on twitter saying that i find EZ superb interesting. Here I say to myself ok to find that a manga is very interesting, it must necessarily see a person being killed killed a bullet in the head. Man likes to see violence, blood and seeing people get shot. For mashima, people say that he learned from his mistakes, they may think that way. Indeed, the concept of FT is friendship the redemption of the bad guys and avoid killing characters and we see it again in FT100YQ. For EZ at the moment not too much friendship or no redemption for the wicked. But I won't say it's a mistake but more that mashima changed concepts for EZ. So for me, I don't see that mashima has learned from his mistakes but rather change his concept.

 

[strikefreedom]

Following chapter 83, I see a lot on twitter saying that i find EZ superb interesting. Here I say to myself ok to find that a manga is very interesting, it must necessarily see a person being killed killed a bullet in the head. Man likes to see violence, blood and seeing people get shot. For mashima, people say that he learned from his mistakes, they may think that way. But I won't say it's a mistake but more that mashima changed concepts for EZ. For EZ at the moment not too much friendship or no redemption for the wicked. So for me, I don't see that mashima has taken from his mistakes but rather change his concept. Indeed, the concept of FT is friendship the redemption of the bad guys and avoid killing characters and we still see it again in FT100YQ and he wanted to see how the manga will work if not dead.

I especially call it jacket flipping, XD.

After you always have Jean-kévin who finds that we get excited for nothing, that LAW who gets his arm cut or that the death of Bellmère and Corazon is more dramatic and more impacting.

 

[TimeSpace]

A new interview with Hiro came out in Japan. (about FT, Rave & Edens Zero)

It's fully in jp, but if someone want to read it, there's (not the worst) (auto)translation:
tiny.cc/0tqmkz

 

[alekos23]

did you forget the link?
ah wait you did post it
https://news.livedoor.com/lite/article_detail/17873827
so EZ might be half as long as FT if I'm reading this right? feels kinda weird.

 

[TimeSpace]

did you forget the link?
ah wait you did post it
https://news.livedoor.com/lite/article_detail/17873827
so EZ might be half as long as FT if I'm reading this right? feels kinda weird.

Well he said, FT was too long and was only written and written, cuz he got ideas and requests from (himself and) fans.
But just as plans for FT lenght changed, so might in the future also plans for EZ change. Right now we're at the end of vol. 10 and with all those characters and places it really feels odd to whink it will be shorter then FT.

I think for now there will be at least 40 volumes, but it all depends on how far will the action go and of course how good the level of writing will be.

 

[natsu x777]

A new interview with Hiro came out in Japan. (about FT, Rave & Edens Zero)

It's fully in jp, but if someone want to read it, there's (not the worst) (auto)translation:
tiny.cc/0tqmkz

I see Edens Zero for a duration of 40 - 45 volumes.

Watching this amount can be 350/400 chapters if I go to the intermediate between Rave and FT

Rave Master (296 episodes)
Fairy Tail (545 episodes) without counting sequel

Not bad, there are 7 cosmos and we are close to chapter 100 and we have not left the first, I think the times are well planned, I feel that the coskura sakura could be ending for chapter 100 or a little more.