Special Edinburgh's Vampires

[Holt]

I wouldn't be surprised if Escanor has FOUR forms, one for every 6 hour period. That would more match with his legend, and the time scales we have been given in the manga.

Isn't that a bit too extreme and complicated?

 

[Demonspeed]

Hansmith has a point. It's possible he has three forms, and his third one is the one with the beard, he said in the last chapter that morning was coming, it's coming but it's not morning yet. He could have the old man appearance when morning comes.

 

[Sajuukkhar]

Isn't that a bit too extreme and complicated?

If we are working based off of the possibility he has three forms, weak, buff, and old, four forms isn't that extreme or complicated imo.

It would make him fit more with his legendary namesake then hes buff mode from 6 am to 2 pm, when, in legend, he gets weaker after noon, at after 2.

 

[Notice me Escanor senpai]

Useless? I disagree. He might have lose some his strength at least. I think Vampire King knowing that he couldn't kill him with physical atttacks he manipulated time around him to kill him by giving him 100+ years but Escanor finished him off before that happened. Sadly he couldn't get revert these changes. My theory of course.

I don't believe that Merlin is responsible for posters.
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So why Nakaba in chapter 103 gave us old Escanor? If anything, it would be perfect time to change him because this was a chapter when second arc started.

That was way before the special came out. Maybe when he sat down and started drawing it he decided that it would be cooler to have Escy's personality change during the day. Also back then there was no hint to him having this problem either . Even in terms of clothing he changed from his gentleman like style to a more skinny type of clothing lol not to mention he doesn't wear an armor like in before in the flashback while all the sins including Ban have their armor. So clearly there's a bunch of changes that were made compared to the beginning.
Also accelerating time 100+ years should be a bit different and considerably more difficult to achieve than having permanent night time. And if he could make him into an oldman in that moment why not turn him into a toddler instead, that would really make him useless in their fight. If the vampire king can manipulate time in such a manner then it should work in both ways either make him an old man or make him revert to a defenseless baby and finish him off for good.

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Hansmith has a point. It's possible he has three forms, and his third one is the one with the beard, he said in the last chapter that morning was coming, it's coming but it's not morning yet. He could have the old man appearance when morning comes.

That's incognitop's theory, three forms ( skinny buffed and old) during the day. Hansmith's theory is that the old form is the result of the vampire king accelerating time to make Escanor age which i just explained why I don't agree with it.
While I don't agree with incognitop's theory 100% it is plausible and would be a nice reference to the Sphinx' enigma if you guys are familiar with it and would even be close to the arthurian legends.

 

[Incognitop]

That's incognitop's theory, three forms ( skinny buffed and old) during the day. Hansmith's theory is that the old form is the result of the vampire king accelerating time to make Escanor age which i just explained why I don't agree with it.
While I don't agree with incognitop's theory 100% it is plausible and would be a nice reference to the Sphinx' enigma if you guys are familiar with it and would even be close to the arthurian legends.

Thanks Lola

Anyway, I think if Escanor will not resemble his wanted poster in any way due to any reason, then the person in the wanted poster will still be significant. Nakaba doesn't waste a single letter or single picture in Taizai. If Escanor ends up not being old for whatever reason, then the person in the wanted poster might be someone close to him, like Gawain.

 

[Holt]

Possible. Perhaps someone who wanted to take the fall for him. How was Estarossa even mistaken for Mel?

 

[Notice me Escanor senpai]

Thanks Lola

Anyway, I think if Escanor will not resemble his wanted poster in any way due to any reason, then the person in the wanted poster will still be significant. Nakaba doesn't waste a single letter or single picture in Taizai. If Escanor ends up not being old for whatever reason, then the person in the wanted poster might be someone close to him, like Gawain.

I'm just giving credit when it's due. I also think the old form could be used later on, maybe it's actually a relative of Escanor that would have to be human. If not it could be an imposter in the poster lol. And finally it could just be that someone (Merlin) lifted his curse and he doesn't have to change during the day(assuming that is his curse).But the drawback is that he aged prematurely or he used Guts' berserker armor .

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Possible. Perhaps someone who wanted to take the fall for him. How was Estarossa even mistaken for Mel?

No idea given he was still sealed with the others in theory so it still needs to get explained. I theorized it was Fraudrin's doing when the chapter came out but there are some missing pieces. Like his motivation and the possiblity of Mel recognizing him.

 

[Incognitop]

I'm just giving credit when it's due. I also think the old form could be used later on, maybe it's actually a relative of Escanor that would have to be human. If not it could be an imposter in the poster lol. And finally it could just be that someone (Merlin) lifted his curse and he doesn't have to change during the day(assuming that is his curse).But the drawback is that he aged prematurely or he used Guts'berserker armor .

Hmmm. Maybe a Goddess cursed Escanor? I mean there are several hints of this.
1) Ban opening the door to where the Horn to talk to the Goddesses is located. The door is a lion and he pulls its teeth out. (In the anime, they just showed the doorknob as a lion) Escanor is the Lion's sin.
2) Divine Axe Rhitta. The design with angel's wings..... can't be a coincidence can it?
3) Changing in the morning. Stepping into the dawn and becoming enlightened. After achieving enlightenment, you ascend and take your place among the Gods. This somewhat generic tale sort of mirrors Escanor's condition.

So a goddess cursed Escanor at birth (for whatever reason I don't know). Merlin (possibly being a goddess herself, but i'll save the speculation on that for your Merlin thread) uses absolute cancel or something else to release Escanor from the curse. However, like the demon seal that Hendy unleashed, there is a back up or a fail safe that caused Escanor to age in the process.

I like it.

Fraurinks

HAHA someone got auto-corrected

 

[Notice me Escanor senpai]

Hmmm. Maybe a Goddess cursed Escanor? I mean there are several hints of this.
1) Ban opening the door to where the Horn to talk to the Goddesses is located. The door is a lion and he pulls its teeth out. (In the anime, they just showed the doorknob as a lion) Escanor is the Lion's sin.
2) Divine Axe Rhitta. The design with angel's wings..... can't be a coincidence can it?
3) Changing in the morning. Stepping into the dawn and becoming enlightened. After achieving enlightenment, you ascend and take your place among the Gods. This somewhat generic tale sort of mirrors Escanor's condition.

So a goddess cursed Escanor at birth (for whatever reason I don't know). Merlin (possibly being a goddess herself, but i'll save the speculation on that for your Merlin thread) uses absolute cancel or something else to release Escanor from the curse. However, like the demon seal that Hendy unleashed, there is a back up or a fail safe that caused Escanor to age in the process.

I like it.



HAHA someone got auto-corrected

I'm using a tablet that's why I'm making those typos so i apologize in advance for any typos.

It's funny you bring the doorknob thing I saw a vid on YT yesterday and it had that theory and I explained why I don't think it's related to Escy but more with the kingdom of Liones having the lion as a symbol. As for the curse itself I don't think he was cursed at birth rather it is related to his sin of pride and the Goddess clan cursed him as a retribution.

 

[Incognitop]

I'm using a tablet that's why I'm making those typos so i apologize in advance for any typos.

It's funny you bring the doorknob thing I saw a vid on YT yesterday and it had that theory and I explained why I don't think it's related to Escy but more with the kingdom of Liones having the lion as a symbol. As for the curse itself I don't think he was cursed at birth rather it is related to his sin of pride and the Goddess clan cursed him as a retribution.

Eh don't think too much on it. I poke fun just because your posts are so well organized and thought-out and I just thought it was funny seeing you say Fraurink lol!
Anyway, about the curse.... The reason I think he was born with it was because he says "Why was I born with such a curse" in EV part 2.
However, him being cursed BECAUSE of his sin makes a lot of sense too. Man if EV part 3 ends with another cliffhanger, I will personally slap Nakaba in the face for making me suffer I will be real sad. I wanna know!

also, the YT vid wasn't this one was it?

 

[Notice me Escanor senpai]

You find my posts organized I find them quite messy on the contrary . Still thanks for the compliment.
Yeah he did say that but he might be overreacting there. Or he really was born with it and I would find it odd and unfair to curse a child for something he hasn't done. The Goddesses are cruel .
Regarding the next part and how it ends both parts ended on a shot of Escanor and they were quite the opposite .Escanor is kinda like the star of the special so I expect that the next part will focus on his fight and I want him to take out the vampire king all by himself . But it could be that Mel is the one who will kill him and create the crater in the process, but the blasted out castle could be the result of Escanor's power. I hope so.

 

[Incognitop]

You find my posts organized I find them quite messy on the contrary . Still thanks for the compliment.
Yeah he did say that but he might be overreacting there. Or he really was born with it and I would find it odd and unfair to curse a child for somthing he hasn't done. The Goddesses are cruel .
Regarding the next part and how it ends both parts ended on a shot of Escanor and they were quite the opposite .Escanor is kinda like the star of the special so I expect that the next part will focus on his fight and I want him to take out the vampire king all by himself . But it could be that Mel is the one who will kill him and create the crater in the process, but the blasted out castle could be the result of Escanor's power. I hope so.

yeah I can sorta picture it. The vampires will be defeated as the sins are regrouping, and one of them says the Vampire King will avenge them. And right at that moment the king is blown through the wall and he is all messed up. Then Escanor walks in looking all badass and stuff (this is where King and Diane don't want him to become their enemy, seeing him destroy the Vamp King by himself).

Also yeah the crater..... I don't know how that will factor in. Apparently none of the other sins know about the crater (atleast I think so right?), so did Meliodas come back later and do whatever he did?

 

[Notice me Escanor senpai]

Either he did it while fighting the VK or Gelda who seems to know a lot about the demons. I wonder if what Merlin stole is Mel's ability to create craters
Also you're prolly right about the King and Diane bit.

 

[HereNThere]

King seemed a bit...wary last chapter when Mel mentioned all of the Sins, so whatever relationship/problem they have with Escanor is already present, at least, with King is apparently is.

 

[Hansmith]

That was way before the special came out. Maybe when he sat down and started drawing it he decided that it would be cooler to have Escy's personality change during the day. Also back then there was no hint to him having this problem either . Even in terms of clothing he changed from his gentleman like style to a more skinny type of clothing lol not to mention he doesn't wear an armor like in before in the flashback while all the sins including Ban have their armor. So clearly there's a bunch of changes that were made compared to the beginning.
Also accelerating time 100+ years should be a bit different and considerably more difficult to achieve than having permanent night time. And if he could make him into an oldman in that moment why not turn him into a toddler instead, that would really make him useless in their fight. If the vampire king can manipulate time in such a manner then it should work in both ways either make him an old man or make him revert to a defenseless baby and finish him off for good.

No hint about that? What for that early? When? When they were going to Zaratras it was a day so this was strong Escanor. IIRC Nakaba only changed 2 SK so far (so small changes) and I don't think there will be any with larger caliber. Remember that we still don't know how Edinburgh's accident ended. Escanor might be older by VK, his personality changed a bit because of that (older people act different than younger ones). Don't forget that he is near Merlin so he acts like gentelman (when he was younger I don't think he was capable doing this).

I think you forget that they attacked vampires at night - so weak Escanor. I am pretty sure he couldn't wear armor dedicated for his strong form (too heavy and too broad). Not to mention that Nakaba wanted to show us how his body changed so no armor because it will hide it.

Maybe more difficult but not impossible. He might use it only on person (very small area so much more effective). As for why not baby - well, some people would like to make his enemy older, some younger. If anything (IMO), acceleration time is easier than revert time.


Hmm I have another theory - what if Escanor was cursed (or gifted) by vampirism after Edinburgh's accident? We know that vampires are 2x stronger at night so it will be good for him because he will be still good during day and not that worthless at night.

 

[Incognitop]

I wonder if what Merlin stole is Mel's ability to create craters

you know what....
you actually might be right

 

[marwanmaj]

escanor and merlin , i can't imagine what kind a couple they will be (the beauty and the beast )

 

[Notice me Escanor senpai]

I hope the next cover features Escanor so that we get his color scheme. I hope he doesn't have pink hair or some weird color like that

 

[Incognitop]

I hope the next cover features Escanor so that we get his color scheme. I hope he doesn't have pink hair or some weird color like that

i can't picture him without blonde hair.

orange maybe....

 

[Holt]

Blue...green...red?

Nothing is too far fetched because we've seen the colors of the rainbow among the characters in the manga.

He seems to have a light hair color from the manga so probably nothing too weird. Could be white or blonde or something.