Discussion Emperors vs Admirals vs Commanders

[albertwv]

@alberwv The thing is, if you burn away half of someone's face that person will die. That was a pyrrhic victory for Whitebeard at best.

You also ignore the fact that half of the Shishibukai weren't even fighting on the Marines side. Of those that were, two did not even bother much.

I dont think I can dispute that regarding burning the face. Impressive on WB's part to hold out that long or even longer. But it wasnt because Akainu that he died, it was a collective effort from Squardo, sickness, various Captain Marines, Akainu, Kizaru laser, and BB Pirates, that WB went down.
Also, anyone can get their face melted by MAGMA whether its by Akainu or a Volcano, Magma will melt you.

The Warlords, we can agree with kinda useless or didn't really tip the scale during the war. Yes. But it's the fact that the WG/Marines had to call the Warlords in to help with fighting the WB Pirates (1 Yonko crew). And even then Sengoku, knew there might be a chance of losing that war.

Imagine if the WB Pirates werent there to save Ace but to rather just fight/destroy MF for whatever reason. They would be fighting a whole different method. WB would just go 100% and destroy them all, but he held back ALOT because Ace and the rest of the WB Pirates were fighting

 

[Fox666]

I had say Whitebeard died mostly because of Akainu. His sickness contributed on the fact that Whitebeard couldn't avoid Akainu.

Surprisingly, Whitebeard was barely affected after being attacked by Squardo. The same goes for Kizaru firing a laser at him, or several Marines stabbing him. Even the combination of all these would not be enough to stop him, and the Blackbeard Pirates wouldn't stand a chance against him.

But when Akainu burned his chest, he was seriously wounded. And when Akainu melted part of his head, he was doomed.

 

[XXGenesis]

Ppl bring up Old Man WB, who was sick and already sustained various injuries in MF. Also note...WB was 1 Yonkou who during MF Clashed with all 3 Admirals, 2/3 did damage to him. Kizaru got circumstantial luck because WB was sick/injured n just stood there.

Old Man WB vs any 1 Admiral...I’ll bet WB with high diff. His sickness is gonna get him maimed during the fight but he can survive and win.

Akainu is the strongest Admiral it seems and Kuzan also injured Akainu in their fight even though he lost. So they are all still comparable to each other. Their feats ain’t all that great.....compared to The Yonkou’s.

 

[albertwv]

I had say Whitebeard died mostly because of Akainu. His sickness contributed on the fact that Whitebeard couldn't avoid Akainu.

Surprisingly, Whitebeard was barely affected after being attacked by Squardo. The same goes for Kizaru firing a laser at him, or several Marines stabbing him. Even the combination of all these would not be enough to stop him, and the Blackbeard Pirates wouldn't stand a chance against him.

But when Akainu burned his chest, he was seriously wounded. And when Akainu melted part of his head, he was doomed.

The fact is, WB went through a lot of shit before he went down. Akainu got lucky WB got sick right in front of him. WB got his head melted but he was still able to crush BB so IDK about him being doomed. It took all that effort to take down 1 Yonko, so how can people still say Admiral = Yonko. It bewilders me that people think they are on the same level.

 

[Fox666]

Whitebeard was still the strongest man in the world, in a 1 vs 1 he would win.

 

[M3J]

Whitebeard was still the strongest man in the world, in a 1 vs 1 he would win.

I'm not so sure anymore, Akainu just refused to stay down no matter what was thrown at him. Otherwise I'd normally give it to Whitebeard, but that's against anyone else as well.


I wouldn't mind seeing Oda show us or tell us where Akainu stands, I think he'd be able to tie with an Emperor or even beat them.

 

[Fox666]

I'm not so sure anymore, Akainu just refused to stay down no matter what was thrown at him. Otherwise I'd normally give it to Whitebeard, but that's against anyone else as well.

I wouldn't mind seeing Oda show us or tell us where Akainu stands, I think he'd be able to tie with an Emperor or even beat them.

If I had to guess, I would say Akainu is only behind Whitebeard, Kaido and Garp. But that's purely speculation.

 

[albertwv]

I'm not so sure anymore, Akainu just refused to stay down no matter what was thrown at him. Otherwise I'd normally give it to Whitebeard, but that's against anyone else as well.


I wouldn't mind seeing Oda show us or tell us where Akainu stands, I think he'd be able to tie with an Emperor or even beat them.

Yeah he got up after WB was dead. But as soon as another Yonko showed up right in his face he stay down. He would not tie with an Emperor much less beat them, dont overestimate Akainu.
Kaido took G4 Luffy down in one hit. Do you think any admiral couldve done the same?

 

[Fox666]

Since the Admirals were not afraid of Whitebeard, I don't think they feared Shanks. They stopped because Sengoku declared the end of the war.

 

[Gallon]

The fact that Akainu recovered from an unexpected Quake punch and stood up to continue fighting Whitebeard already proves he was Yonko level.
We have already seen a nigh Yonko-level fight with Oden and Kaido, and they both suffered heavy damage from the one effective blow they landed on each-other.
Now imagine Oden standing up after being clubbed and continuing fighting - that was what Akainu did.

 

[LadyVados]

Kaido took G4 Luffy down in one hit. Do you think any admiral couldve done the same?

I think they all could.

The vast majority of admirals are bladed weapon users anway, they could just slice Luffy's head off.

Heck Kizaru could probably kill Luffy with a finger beam.

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Since the Admirals were not afraid of Whitebeard, I don't think they feared Shanks. They stopped because Sengoku declared the end of the war.

Aokiji and Kizaru were literally shooting up Luffy and Law in front of Shanks. They didn't give 2 shits.

 

[albertwv]

I think they all could.

The vast majority of admirals are bladed weapon users anway, they could just slice Luffy's head off.

Heck Kizaru could probably kill Luffy with a finger beam.

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Aokiji and Kizaru were literally shooting up Luffy and Law in front of Shanks. They didn't give 2 shits.

Kizaru killed and laser beam Pre TS Luffy and he survived and kept fighting. Marco got laser beamed twice and kept fighting. This was Pre TS. Im sure the Admirals would have low difficulty agaisnt G4 Luffy.

Akainu surviving 1 quake punch does not prove he's Yonko level. It just proves he has high durability, praise to him, but after the 2nd one he lost and fell down the crack. Took him sometime to resurface. But at that time he was out of the fight.

The admirals stopped fighting because Shanks showed up. Akainu got his punch blocked so easily by Shanks.

 

[Fox666]

Kizaru killed and laser beam Pre TS Luffy and he survived and kept fighting. Marco got laser beamed twice and kept fighting. This was Pre TS. Im sure the Admirals would have low difficulty agaisnt G4 Luffy.

But how exactly would Luffy fight Kizaru? It seems the lasers are capable of piercing any Human body. Also future sight may not be of any use if Kizaru can attack at the speed of light.

 

[XXGenesis]

I'm not so sure anymore, Akainu just refused to stay down no matter what was thrown at him. Otherwise I'd normally give it to Whitebeard, but that's against anyone else as well.


I wouldn't mind seeing Oda show us or tell us where Akainu stands, I think he'd be able to tie with an Emperor or even beat them.

Akainu didn’t have to fight any battles that would have tired him. He was practically at 100% when WB attacked him. He took 2 serious attacks and was injured....Either Way do u rlly think Kuzan & Akainu we’re stronger than WB because they fought for days, changed a islands weather, & maimed each other....Because I don’t.

I think WB was hurt & sick which handicapped him a lot. Akainu didn’t & wouldn't confront WB head until he was handicapped in some fashion.

I agree. Akainu is Yonkou Lv. Either way The top tier battles & feats are still few and far inbeteeen. Aside from a stalemate or choosing your fav, or whoever has more feats. We rlly don’t know the pecking order.

Yeah he got up after WB was dead. But as soon as another Yonko showed up right in his face he stay down. He would not tie with an Emperor much less beat them, dont overestimate Akainu.
Kaido took G4 Luffy down in one hit. Do you think any admiral couldve done the same?

Kaidou’s 1hit K.O is a very good point.
but I believe Kuzan’s Frosting Jozu’s arm and breaking it is somewhat comparable.

The Admirals can hurt the Yonkou with casual attacks, and are strong enough to maim them. They are Yonkou lv. There isn’t a gap in power.

The fact that Akainu recovered from an unexpected Quake punch and stood up to continue fighting Whitebeard already proves he was Yonko level.
We have already seen a nigh Yonko-level fight with Oden and Kaido, and they both suffered heavy damage from the one effective blow they landed on each-other.
Now imagine Oden standing up after being clubbed and continuing fighting - that was what Akainu did.

Agreed. An Admiral = A Yonkou. Does it mean most Admirals can defeat a Yonkou. Nor is it a easy win for the Yonkou.

 

[Fox666]

Yeah he got up after WB was dead. But as soon as another Yonko showed up right in his face he stay down. He would not tie with an Emperor much less beat them, dont overestimate Akainu.
Kaido took G4 Luffy down in one hit. Do you think any admiral couldve done the same?

The Admirals were capable of holding back Whitebeard's bisento, implying their physical strength is comparable to his.

Whitebeard hit Akainu in the head, but he was still standing afterwards.

Kizaru was seemingly fine after being cut in half by Whitebeard, which I assume is because their Haki is similar.

So on theory I think the Admirals couldn not just take down Luffy in one hit, but they could do so without even using their Devil Fruits.

Kaidou’s 1hit K.O is a very good point.
but I believe Kuzan’s Frosting Jozu’s arm and breaking it is somewhat comparable.

The Admirals can hurt the Yonkou with casual attacks, and are strong enough to maim them. They are Yonkou lv. There isn’t a gap in power.

Aokiji freezing Jozu is specific to his ability. His ability didn't worked on Whitebeard or Doflamingo, for example.

Because of Jozu's ability, it may be possible that nobody can take him down with physical strength alone.

 

[Gallon]

It would take a total dumbass of a Fleet Admiral to start fighting Shanks after he entered Marineford. What do you go for:
A) Making an enemy of another Yonko and his crew, while Marineford is heavily damaged from the previous fight and the marines have had considerable casualties, and fighting a former Shichibukai who now possesses the quirk of the strongest Yonko, or
B) Settling for ending the war and letting Shanks threaten Blackbeard into backing off?

 

[albertwv]

Admirals are slightly weaker than Yonkos. No hype in the manga proves that Admirals are equaled to Yonko. I highly doubt WB would be able to take down Kaido or BM or Shanks in 2 Quake Punches.
Like I said 3 admirals vs 1 yonko should be far more than enough, while Garp and Sengoku deal with BB Pirates. If anything, Akainu "Yonko lvl" who melted WB's face should be able to face off Shanks while the 2 other admirals couldve taken down the WB Pirates and Red Hair Pirates. That wouldve been 2.5 Yonko (BB is the half Yonko) the Marines wouldve been beated down.

it just doesnt make sense though.

 

[Gallon]

Admirals are slightly weaker than Yonkos. No hype in the manga proves that Admirals are equaled to Yonko. I highly doubt WB would be able to take down Kaido or BM or Shanks in 2 Quake Punches.
Like I said 3 admirals vs 1 yonko should be far more than enough, while Garp and Sengoku deal with BB Pirates. If anything, Akainu "Yonko lvl" who melted WB's face should be able to face off Shanks while the 2 other admirals couldve taken down the WB Pirates and Red Hair Pirates. That wouldve been 2.5 Yonko (BB is the half Yonko) the Marines wouldve been beated down.

it just doesnt make sense though.

And then risk losing so much military power that an alliance of Kaido and Big Mom would have completely destroyed them? Why?

 

[Fox666]

Admirals are slightly weaker than Yonkos. No hype in the manga proves that Admirals are equaled to Yonko. I highly doubt WB would be able to take down Kaido or BM or Shanks in 2 Quake Punches.

Shanks is a "regular" Human, his arm was eaten by a Sea King. So I would expect the same that happened to Akainu to happen to him.

Kaido or Big Mom are invulnerable. We don't know if Whitebeard can use Haki to cause internal damage, but even if he could, it would only be a regular punch without the effect of his Devil Fruit.

 

[LadyVados]

Shanks is a "regular" Human, his arm was eaten by a Sea King. So I would expect the same that happened to Akainu to happen to him.

Kaido or Big Mom are invulnerable. We don't know if Whitebeard can use Haki to cause internal damage, but even if he could, it would only be a regular punch without the effect of his Devil Fruit.

WB could use Ryou on his Naginata and cut up Kaido, Oden style.