Discussion Emperors vs Admirals vs Commanders

[frogthejam19]

Kaido vs Lufy
Linlin vs Queen
Admirals vs Commanders in MF is what puts an end to this discussion. Emperors treat Commander level opponents like toys in single combat while Admirals require distractions. The reactions of Jack and Doflamingo is also telling. We have commander level people ready to jump in alone to fight against an admiral. Meanwhile, Doffy and Jack shit their pants at the thought of upsetting Kaido.

Queen shat his pants the moment Linlin regained her senses and would have gotten soul pocused if she didn't go unconscious.

The fight between a Yonko and an Admiral will still be high difficulty for the Yonko but that Yonko wins every single encounter.

Mother Caramel said that Linlin had Admiral/Fleet Admiral potential as a 5 year old without a devil fruit. This means that if Linlin never ate a DF, and just lived off her insane physical genetics, she'd be at bare minimum an Admiral.

The same cannot be said for Admirals whose feats are almost all related to their devil fruits. Strip those overpowered logia fruits away and you have Commander level people based on their physical and Haki feats. The insane focus the Emperors have been getting since MF ought to make it clear who is more pertinent to the story and by proxy, who the strongest are. No Marine has ever had a Strongest title and that is not a coincidence.

Don't get me wrong Admirals are very strong (Kuzan is my 2nd favorite character and his fruit is my favorite) but, they are not on equal terms with the Yonko. Understand that the balance of power is in regards to a single Yonko crew because Yonko simply do not work together.

 

[M3J]

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Whitebeard admits he can't take on the Marines by himself.

 

[HereNThere]

Mother Caramel said that Linlin had Admiral/Fleet Admiral potential as a 5 year old without a devil fruit. This means that if Linlin never ate a DF, and just lived off her insane physical genetics, she'd be at bare minimum an Admiral.

The concept of Yonkou or Pirate Rulers may not have existed at that point. And even if they did, Caramel was selling planning to sell her to the government. Why would she bring up her potential as a Pirate as a seller?

I find it likely that Admirals and CPO were the top dogs in terms of World Power until Rocks' joined the scene with Roger in tow. I imagine the deadlock started to come to fruition at that point and was solidified after Roger's death and the Golden Age began.

 

[albertwv]

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Whitebeard admits he can't take on the Marines by himself.

Lol you're using that as a rebuttal? He was fooling Buggy. The Marines clearly outnumbered the WP Pirates, having another set of enemies who are ID prisoners is most likely going to make it harder on the WBP, that's more enemies to deal with. WB would've taken more losses. IF WB really wanted to he could've crushed all the Marines (fodder) by himself.

He also tells Buggy he can have his head afterwards. Do you believe that?

@frogthejam19, idk how else people still believe Yonko = Admiral, when the whole storyline shows otherwise. You made a very good point.

 

[M3J]

Whitebeard can crush Marine fodder by himself, as could Luffy at that time, and likewise Doberman or an admiral could crush Yonkou fodders alone. That's nothing impressive, especially when you consider he didn't take out as many fodders as he could have, or take down an admiral. You mentioned Akainu not fighting Whitebeard after killing Ace and taking a beating? That implies nothing considering Akainu's goal was to kill Luffy, not beat someone at Death's door.

If Whitebeard could really beat the Marines then he wouldn't be admitting that the prisoners would be a problem and recruiting Buggy as result. And on top of that, Sengoku and Garp barely fought.

 

[LadyVados]

Kizaru > Marco = Big Mom >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Katakuri

Also I see no reason Vista shouldn’t be somewhat comparable to Marco which means Mihawk being stalled by him is no longer an anti-feat.

 

[XXGenesis]

Also I see no reason Vista shouldn’t be somewhat comparable to Marco which means Mihawk being stalled by him is no longer an anti-feat.

it is. Look how quickly BM took the upper hand against Marco & Queen. The commanders can fight back, but they will lose fast..Much Faster if the Top tier is serious.

Vista stalled Mihawk, & Mihawk alludes that he doesn’t wanna fight Vista full throttle, buthe alludes to a fight, not a stomp or ownage. He also never pressured or took the upper hand against Vista.

All this suggest Mihawk isn’t as strong as the Yonkou’s who can easily whip on a commander in a whim

 

[LadyVados]

it is. Look how quickly BM took the upper hand against Marco & Queen. The commanders can fight back, but they will lose fast..Much Faster if the Top tier is serious.

Vista stalled Mihawk, & Mihawk alludes that he doesn’t wanna fight Vista full throttle, buthe alludes to a fight, not a stomp or ownage. He also never pressured or took the upper hand against Vista.

All this suggest Mihawk isn’t as strong as the Yonkou’s who can easily whip on a commander in a whim

Grabbing someone and then having your friend attack him =/= gain the upper hand.

Unless you think Goku was stronger than Raditz ?

 

[XXGenesis]

Grabbing someone and then having your friend attack him =/= gain the upper hand.

Unless you think Goku was stronger than Raditz ?

DBZ is another manga with it’s own separate fighting mechanics be it a shounen or not. Not the same content we are discussing.

Admirals & Other Yonkou have dealt with characters of similar PL the same way.

Marco was in a Head 2 Head Struggle/Clash with BM giving resistance when she suddenly Grabs him & tell her henchman to take the killing blow...That’s her easily taking then upper hand, Marco immediately stops struggling & fighting back when he was just doing so a panel ago.

Mihawk has not replicated similar dominance against One Piece Light heavy weights, be it he is stronger than them.

Yonkou &!Admirals while being semi-passive incapacitated YC characters; Mihawk hasn’t.

 

[LadyVados]

Grabbing someone =/= overpowering them

 

[XXGenesis]

Grabbing someone =/= overpowering them

If someone grabs you and your stuck. You are being overpowered...Context matters.

 

[LadyVados]

If someone grabs you and your stuck. You are being overpowered...Context matters.

Jinbei > Big Mom then ?

It’s not like she did any damage to Marco !

 

[Fox666]

Jinbei > Big Mom then ?

It’s not like she did any damage to Marco !

I don't remember Jinbe "grabbing" Big Mom. I remember him throwing her over.

In order to grab someone, you have to be physically superior, while throwing only requires enough strength to lift the other. Lifting a giant is not an incredible feat post-timeskip.

Big Mom having superior physical strength to Marco is not a surprise.

 

[LadyVados]

In order to grab someone, you have to be physically superior, while throwing only requires enough strength to lift the other. Lifting a giant is not an incredible feat post-timeskip.

That’s the most ridiculous and arbitrary logic ever

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You know what I’ve changed my mind, grabbing someone DOES mean you’re much stronger than them.

Hajrudin >>> Luffy

G3 Luffy >>> Katakuri

 

[XXGenesis]

Jinbei > Big Mom then ?

It’s not like she did any damage to Marco !

Jimbei Judo, throw’d BM, by surprise and used her body weight and positioning to throw her..Not to mention Robin added the effect of her being thrown/rolled away...

BM was surprised she had no time to struggle, or resist. She wasn’t overpowered just caught off guard.

 

[LadyVados]

Jimbei Judo, throw’d BM, by surprise and used her body weight and positioning to throw her..Not to mention Robin added the effect of her being thrown/rolled away...

BM was surprised she had to time to struggle, or resist. She want overpowered just caught off guard.

Same with Marco.

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@Moegara Here

 

[Ramen]

Yonkos > Admirals >>>> Commanders.

 

[M3J]

That's a very bad and unconvincing argument.

 

[Pirate Queen]

What the hell is going on here

 

[M3J]

Also, if Yonkou > admirals, then why didn't Whitebeard take out even one admiral? Why haven't any of the Emperors tried to take out an admiral?


Y'all need to back stuff up, because the manga shows us the admirals and Whitebeard at deadlock, with possibly only Akainu losing if he was knocked out for a while before going after traumatized Luffy.