Discussion Emperors vs Admirals vs Commanders

[john ellis]

i think on average the commanders are stronger then the warlords. The strongest warlords are only commander tier at best. With the exception of mihawk who is probably either yonko tier or slightly below yonko tier. But like i couldn't see a single warlord taking down a first commander besides mihawk. Could they defeat defeat a 3rd or second commander. I mean probably. I think the tobbi roppo are low to 3rd tier commander combantants and jinbei did mid-high dif a tobbi roppo. I'm also ok with franky and other straw hat combantants being low commander level atm. By the end of the arc, the Straw Hat's crew is going to be a yonko level crew. So it makes sense all the combantants are yonko commander level atleast. The weak trio, probably all could take down crocodile atm. Even if i think Crocodile was lowballed in the series. I think they've all proven them selves to atleast be crocodile level atm.

It's hard to define yonko commander level power though because Whitebeard had 16 of them with all reasonably low bounties. But i think if you include snack as yonko commander level at low yonko commander level. Alot of the 500k+ pirates end up in this range. Also i think Kaido's commanders are very close in power level and jack is actually 2nd yonko commander level jsut below queen. His 1bil bounty is also quite high for a 3rd tier yonko commander anyway. So i don't feel bad putting him here. And yes bounty=/= power level, but it does imply strength. And people with 1 billion+ bounties are none the less very strong, and are close to the pinnacle of the verse.

 

[Monox D. I-Fly]

The weak trio, probably all could take down crocodile atm. Even if i think Crocodile was lowballed in the series. I think they've all proven them selves to atleast be crocodile level atm.

I don't think the weak trio can take down Crocodile yet. While Nami can make rain, Crocodile also has his drought ability, which would be a great disadvantage against Usopp's plants. Crocodile also isn't stupid like Ceasar who turned his back on them and got defeated by a seastone handcuffs. I'm pretty sure they can beat weak logia like Ceasar or Caribou, though.

 

[Yonko Red Haired Shanks]

Hi, i'm new here but i think it's obvious who are the strongest ones

 

[Demonspeed]

Hi, i'm new here but i think it's obvious who are the strongest ones

Hi. Who? Yonkou?

 

[Yonko Red Haired Shanks]

Hi. Who? Yonkou?

Yeah or do you think they are not? =)

 

[M3J]

Yeah or do you think they are not? =)

Why? Back up your statements, give us something to conversate

 

[Yonko Red Haired Shanks]

Why? Back up your statements, give us something to conversate

It seems that the one piece section is a bit inactive

 

[Lord Traffy Law]

The WG created the Warlords system to keep pirates like the Yonko at bay. They were needed to help fight the WB pirates. Sengoku himself said that, the Marines might lose the war because WB could destroy the world.
The only real Yonko vs Admirals evidence we have is from Old and sick WB vs the admirals taking advantage/capitalizing on his sickness.
But as soon as a healthy yonko shows up all the admirals calm down.

If the Marines or Admirals alone can take down the Yonko, why dont they already?

The WG/Marines are afraid of 2 Yonko joining alliances. Oda has stressed out the fact on Both Kaido and BM's durability, but never the admirals.

The Yonkou and Marines don't take each other out for the same reason Yonkou don't take each other out. The risk of loss is too high for a victory that isn't guranteed.

The Marines felt the need to stack victory as much in their favor as they could before proceeding with the execution. I don't think it was because the Admirals are weaker, but because they needed to mitigate their losses as much as they could as, even if they won without all of the prep, they would've been left in a vulnerable position afterward, leaving them open to other Yonkou attacks or even the Revolutionaries.

As for the Commanders and Admirals, that's a bit harder and I feel this comes down to certain characters. The war demonstrates that they can at least tangle with them for a period, but Marco in particular was the only major Commander who was able to keep trucking, even after his attention was split and he was injured. He didn't hold off Akainu, but it was shown he wasn't injured by either confrontation. They appeared to have been split up at some point.

If we assume that Sabo is comparable to, let's say, Katakuri and, maybe, King, then we can probably use his performance as a gauge. He was able to fight against Fujitora for a spell, but he was clearly on the wrong side of a beat down as he was the only one who scuffed up and injured. At the Reverie, those 4 Commanders clashed with 2 Admirals again and it doesn't seem like things turned out well for them, although they were able to injure Fujitora this time.

it's really that simple
ehhh plus at marineford the marines handily whooped the whitebeard pirates and that was with them getting backed up by the impel down escapees, garp and sengoku didn't even fight seriously , and by themselves contained the blackboard pirates


i'd go yonkou >= admirals >> commanders
commanders have a wide range of fighters

this is also the admiral class of fighters within the marines(referring to them in their primes)= sengoku aokiji akainu kizaru garp and fujitora
akainu scared away blackbeard
i do think fujitora isn't quite as powerfulas OGs but generally the top of the admiral are just as fearsome as the yonkous

 

[Yonko Red Haired Shanks]

Only a handfull of the very strongest can infuse things with supreme king's haki

Of the 5 that the world's strongest creature considers to be the ones that could fight him and beat him in 1v1, only Yonko Shanks remains alive

It is already evident that the Yonko are the top of the food chain

 

[Lord Traffy Law]

Only a handfull of the very strongest can infuse things with supreme king's haki

Of the 5 that the world's strongest creature considers to be the ones that could fight him and beat him in 1v1, only Yonko Shanks remains alive

It is already evident that the Yonko are the top of the food chain

Ehh he was thinking in regards to pirates tho
Even tho big mum could infuse kings haki too
And could almost get sengoku and garp taking him on too
Kaido was probably thinking in regards to pirates

 

[XXGenesis]

I think Oda has been inconsistent with the showings between the 3 Titles; Has been way to vague on certain battle mechanics, which need to be highlighted…

The Problem lies with Wano.

Luffy the MC, off the verge of narrowly defeating Dogtooth, Big Mom’s right hand; Is Swatted down by Kaido, leaves no marks on Kaido.

See our MC has fought more than one commander, struggled and received boost, but hurting and surviving a Yonkou was too much for him……We go to the rooftop and we have Killer using attacks to hurt Kaido, Killer is getting attacked by Big Mom and is backup in the fray ready to go…woah…Bad look Oda, you had Zoro kick his ass already way too easy, his main weapons giving him that much of a boost is an ass pull.



Ok, so this is where Oda is being sloppy and making us use “headcannon” to come to our own conclusion.

1) Scabbards hurting Kaido….All scabbards knowing Ryu should have been highlighted; If surprise & psychological shock affects all Haki not just CoO, let it be known!!……..Because weaker CoA shouldn’t hurt stronger CoA….I.e using CoA to block a Sword.

2)Flying Six real rank and order. Ulti & Xdrake are top 2. Ulti physically was gonna force Luffy to use G4 to escape/break her grip.

3) Sounds dumb but Zoan’s recovery needs to be highlighted again!! A Flying Six member took a named DF technique from a Yonkou that put a hole in her; For her to recover next chapter…….No way!’ The Rankings are way too different come on Oda! That turn around recovery was very very rushed.

Kidd & Law just like Luffy should have been defeated already by Big Mom;

So yea, Oda is just bugging out

 

[Yonko Red Haired Shanks]

Ehh he was thinking in regards to pirates tho
Even tho big mum could infuse kings haki too
And could almost get sengoku and garp taking him on too
Kaido was probably thinking in regards to pirates

Kaido said that Big mum was pathetic plus she's his ally so he shouldn't have to mention her.
Of those two marines the only one with king's haki is Sengoku and he's not the advanced one to infuse things.

 

[Lord Traffy Law]

Kaido said that Big mum was pathetic plus she's his ally so he shouldn't have to mention her.
Of those two marines the only one with king's haki is Sengoku and he's not the advanced one to infuse things.

And yet they ended up going at it for 3 days
She’s probably the most durable character after him with a crazy flexible and powerful DF

 

[Idkwhatanameis]

I Believe yonkou > the rest ..... im sorry but if akainu 2 years ago could barely stalemate a Non prepped old sick WB ...... I don't think he could do the same to a hybrid kaido(we didn't even mention his awakening), shanks, 2 devil fruit blackbeard, or big mom. Maybe now he can but as far as the other admirals i don't think so. Mine aswell give fleet admiral a teir of its own cause i bet if he fought akoji a second time he would kill him. I'm sure akainu isn't stupid I bet he trained a lil bit more after bonney possibly made him a lil younger. Whitebeard's title is just a title he was more then an old man he was sick and he took off his medical equipment way too early handicapping himself.

Spoiler

 

[HereNThere]

Kaido said that Big mum was pathetic plus she's his ally so he shouldn't have to mention her.
Of those two marines the only one with king's haki is Sengoku and he's not the advanced one to infuse things.

Kaido acknowledged very early on in their alliance that they both possessed the ability to kill one another. And Big Mom demonstrated ACoC, which puts her in the same handful as Kaido.

Kaido clearly acknowledges her as well.

 

[kkck]

I would maintain the point I have made before... if the marines hard 3 people who were comparable in strength to the yonko then they would have won the war against Whitebeard easily and even rather quickly. Have two admirals on Whitebeard to mid dif his old ass at worst him while the remaining admiral supported by VAs and the absurd number of marines at marinefords low diffs everything else. Admirals are closer to YC1 than actual yonko... That said, it is possible they have attained yonko level over the timeskip, specially akainu.

 

[Idkwhatanameis]

I would maintain the point I have made before... if the marines hard 3 people who were comparable in strength to the yonko then they would have won the war against Whitebeard easily and even rather quickly. Have two admirals on Whitebeard to mid dif his old ass at worst him while the remaining admiral supported by VAs and the absurd number of marines at marinefords low diffs everything else. Admirals are closer to YC1 than actual yonko... That said, it is possible they have attained yonko level over the timeskip, specially akainu.

Exactly like can you imagine if Big Mom and Kings haki Luffy fought Kaido 2v1 ?? Kaido would be dead right now

 

[kkck]

Exactly like can you imagine if Big Mom and Kings haki Luffy fought Kaido 2v1 ?? Kaido would be dead right now

Or just take the war setting. Replace akainu with kaido, aokiji with big mom and kizaru with shanks. And have them fight WB and his pirates while supported by the entire marine force there. that's not a war, that a musou on easy mode while at max level...

 

[Idkwhatanameis]

Yeah and i think Akainu is just slightly a cut above the rest cause of his mindset. Akoji is too passive and kizaru just doesn't care half the time. Akainu is just crazy in getting the job done that's ambition right there which i doubt the other admirals have. Which is why i say we should give fleet admiral its own tier

 

[kkck]

I don't think being a psychopath is enough to warrant giving someone a tier of his own... Specially if the tiers are power based.