Discussion Emperors vs Admirals vs Commanders

[M3J]

I would maintain the point I have made before... if the marines hard 3 people who were comparable in strength to the yonko then they would have won the war against Whitebeard easily and even rather quickly. Have two admirals on Whitebeard to mid dif his old ass at worst him while the remaining admiral supported by VAs and the absurd number of marines at marinefords low diffs everything else. Admirals are closer to YC1 than actual yonko... That said, it is possible they have attained yonko level over the timeskip, specially akainu.

Well, the fact is that Whitebeard was also unable to take out the admirals or give them damage that at least lasted throughout the war, whereas Akainu was able to burn off part of Whitebeard's head. And how long were they fighting each other for, the admirals against Whitebeard?

 

[kkck]

Well, the fact is that Whitebeard was also unable to take out the admirals or give them damage that at least lasted throughout the war, whereas Akainu was able to burn off part of Whitebeard's head. And how long were they fighting each other for, the admirals against Whitebeard?

The war was from beginning to end and immensely favorable scenario for the marines. Since they pretty much set the whole thing up. Sure, Akainu burned off WB's face... But this was towards the war's end when WB had fought through hordes of marines, had multiple altercations with admirals and had accumulated a ton of damage. And sure, yonko are so overpowered that even this is a pretty big feat for akainu but it's just a fact that at this point WB was pretty far from his best condition even at that age, let alone his actual prime. Earlier in the war WB pretty much bulldozed his way through the admirals. The most we can say is that WB can't one shot an admiral but it's pretty clear he was well stronger than any one of them. IF akainu has yonko level is because he became significantly stronger over the timeskip.

 

[Idkwhatanameis]

I don't think being a psychopath is enough to warrant giving someone a tier of his own... Specially if the tiers are power based.

I would say so when it comes to the marines Akainu wanted fleet admiral. I think akoji just wanted akainu not to be fleet admiral I don’t think he really cared for it. Look at the way luffy thinks compared to other supernova .... fear is what sets the top supernova from the rest. Think about it ... Luffy Kidd Killer and Zoro with the exception of Law ... everyone else is fodder they have all been shown to be submissive. Killer a vice captain supernova is fighting Hawkins which is a captain but we all know Hawkins is a P*****. All I’m saying ambition affects how strong you are in this manga

 

[M3J]

The war was from beginning to end and immensely favorable scenario for the marines. Since they pretty much set the whole thing up. Sure, Akainu burned off WB's face... But this was towards the war's end when WB had fought through hordes of marines, had multiple altercations with admirals and had accumulated a ton of damage. And sure, yonko are so overpowered that even this is a pretty big feat for akainu but it's just a fact that at this point WB was pretty far from his best condition even at that age, let alone his actual prime. Earlier in the war WB pretty much bulldozed his way through the admirals. The most we can say is that WB can't one shot an admiral but it's pretty clear he was well stronger than any one of them. IF akainu has yonko level is because he became significantly stronger over the timeskip.

Whitebeard also came out of nowhere and attacked Akainu right before getting his face burned off, no?

Whitebeard did, but he also didn't manage to take them down at all, they were still dealing damage, and Akainu managed to kill Ace and came close to killing Luffy. It's hard to believe he was that much stronger, but he was also the strongest emperor, so it implies that the admirals then could have been on a more even footing with the other emperors.

 

[Fox666]

It's hard to tell.

I think the Emperors are almost equals. Young Whitebeard was stronger, but his older self is on the same level.

In the manga, it's stated by Buggy that Whitebeard was known was the "strongest man" because he could fight with Roger to a standstill. But he got weaker because of his disease.

The current Emperors are supposed to be more-or-less equal. That's how the Emperors system works... while Blackbeard's bounty only half of Kaido, if he was really much weaker, he would have failed to keep his title.

Whitebeard briefly clashed with Shanks. Shanks managed to stop Kaido. Big Mom fought Kaido for 2 days. That tells me they are equals.

It's also hard to judge how the Admirals compare... you can't take power levels in One Piece too seriously. Going by the war in Marineford, the Admirals could keep up with Whitebeard. I assume the same would apply to all Emperors: if they went with everything, they could smash Akainu to the ground, while injuring themselves in the process. But they could never fight the Admirals one after another, like it happened to Whitebeard in Marineford.

 

[LaGOAT]

Yonko/fleet admiral>admiral>YCs

 

[Lord Traffy Law]

I would maintain the point I have made before... if the marines hard 3 people who were comparable in strength to the yonko then they would have won the war against Whitebeard easily and even rather quickly. Have two admirals on Whitebeard to mid dif his old ass at worst him while the remaining admiral supported by VAs and the absurd number of marines at marinefords low diffs everything else. Admirals are closer to YC1 than actual yonko... That said, it is possible they have attained yonko level over the timeskip, specially akainu.

If 2 of the admirals jumped whitebeard he’d have died
The whitebeard pirates got mid diffed as whole and that was with garp and sengoku sitting out most of the war
The whitebeard pirates were dead in the water if not for the impel down reinforcements
They’d have lost really really bad
Just garp and sengoku contained the Blackbeard pirates if they headed out early they’d have destroyed WBP really really fast

Yeah and i think Akainu is just slightly a cut above the rest cause of his mindset. Akoji is too passive and kizaru just doesn't care half the time. Akainu is just crazy in getting the job done that's ambition right there which i doubt the other admirals have. Which is why i say we should give fleet admiral its own tier

Kuzan really isn’t behind mindset wise
His fruit literally is inferior to akainu , so either his mastery of it and haki must be slightly higher for them to be roughly at par

 

[Idkwhatanameis]

If 2 of the admirals jumped whitebeard he’d have died
The whitebeard pirates got mid diffed as whole and that was with garp and sengoku sitting out most of the war
The whitebeard pirates were dead in the water if not for the impel down reinforcements
They’d have lost really really bad
Just garp and sengoku contained the Blackbeard pirates if they headed out early they’d have destroyed WBP really really fast


Kuzan really isn’t behind mindset wise
His fruit literally is inferior to akainu , so either his mastery of it and haki must be slightly higher for them to be roughly at par

If he had stronger haki that inferiority wouldn't matter so no. How do you expect luffy to beat him if that's the case???? Akainu would beat him in a brawl without devil fruits most likely

 

[Lord Traffy Law]

If he had stronger haki that inferiority wouldn't matter so no. How do you expect luffy to beat him if that's the case???? Akainu would beat him in a brawl without devil fruits most likely

Haki superiority isn’t the be all end all
Vergo armament haki mastery was higher than laws at that point (at least it seemed) law refinement with his fruit is just much higher
Heck luffy used to be susceptible to sharp things despite his armament

remember akainu has the highest offensive output and level in the show

 

[Fox666]

If 2 of the admirals jumped whitebeard he’d have died
The whitebeard pirates got mid diffed as whole and that was with garp and sengoku sitting out most of the war
The whitebeard pirates were dead in the water if not for the impel down reinforcements
They’d have lost really really bad
Just garp and sengoku contained the Blackbeard pirates if they headed out early they’d have destroyed WBP really really fast

Yeah, the Whitebeard Pirates were outmatched to begin with.

Their goal was to rescue Ace, not to fight. They tried to prevent the Admirals from ganging up against Whitebeard for a good reason.

They got lucky that the prisoners from Impel Down appeared. Plus half of the Shichibukai betrayed the government, while the rest did not give a shit.

 

[kkck]

If 2 of the admirals jumped whitebeard he’d have died
The whitebeard pirates got mid diffed as whole and that was with garp and sengoku sitting out most of the war
The whitebeard pirates were dead in the water if not for the impel down reinforcements
They’d have lost really really bad
Just garp and sengoku contained the Blackbeard pirates if they headed out early they’d have destroyed WBP really really fast


Kuzan really isn’t behind mindset wise
His fruit literally is inferior to akainu , so either his mastery of it and haki must be slightly higher for them to be roughly at par

I don't agree with that first part. When WB was in better condition at the start of the war no admiral managed to last two seconds against him. WB just bulldozed his way through. it's when his health failed him and after accumulating a significant amount of damage that the admirals managed more.

Agreed, but the issue there is context. This was not a war the WB pirates fought on even ground. They attacked a massively fortified location where the marines had gathered the bulk of their best forces (a few marine admiral candidates weren't there though). The marines played defense in a fortress so durable that it's metal plates resisted WB's raw power... Add to that the marines having the highground.

 

[Lord Traffy Law]

I don't agree with that first part. When WB was in better condition at the start of the war no admiral managed to last two seconds against him. WB just bulldozed his way through. it's when his health failed him and after accumulating a significant amount of damage that the admirals managed more.

Agreed, but the issue there is context. This was not a war the WB pirates fought on even ground. They attacked a massively fortified location where the marines had gathered the bulk of their best forces (a few marine admiral candidates weren't there though). The marines played defense in a fortress so durable that it's metal plates resisted WB's raw power... Add to that the marines having the highground.

That’s pulling things out
He and every admiral clashed , didn’t affect one anther and there attacks didn’t do much , it got interrupted quickly, if he bulldozed quickly he'd have been able to get to ace in no time, he couldn't get past any admiral unless it got interrupted in a direct one on one
Saying they didn’t last 2 seconds is twisting the narrative