Discussion Enryu - climbed the tower before the 10 great warriors?

[Sakashi]

WHAT if there is something we don't know yet? What I mean is that we know that the 10 families are strong enough to challenge the tower and climb but what if there is something else after that? Some people that can challenge Exis's in the tower? And Enryu is an example of those people?! I mean..he can use 9000 bangs at once..I don't think that even Urek or the 10 great families can do that..

If this theory somehow is real then would that mean that there were people that entered the tower before the 10 families? As stated in the comments, people said that SIU said that Enryu is not a Exis so that means that he must only be an irregular that has gained his power by climbing the tower and if he entered the tower before the 10 families that must been that he has been at the top already? It was stated in the manhwa that the highest floor that the 10 families came to was the 134th floor I think? And IF this theory is true and if there are people that can challenge even Exis, it must mean that they are very powerful and that would explain why Enryu can turn shinsoo on a floor to red? his control? It's almost like a power of a god?

It's been stated that the 10 families were the first ones to enter the tower many times which shows that my theory has flaws but you never know..but at the same time we were told that the tower has many mysteries and I think that the 134th floor doesn't have all the answers to these mysteries..

The 10 families thought that they were the first ones and made records so that they would be remembered but at the same time they maybe didn't know that there were a few other people that climbed before them? And maybe these people that climbed the tower first didn't want to make records of themselves so that people would know? This would explain why people didn't know who Enryu was before he made his appearance on the 43th floor and killed the guardian? How he was so strong? His shinsoo manipulation?

If he climbed before the 10 families..and got the power to challenge an exsis..would this explain why Headon can't find him? Because he is strong enough to even hide from guardians? Or what if climbing to the last floor will turn you in to a exis? That would explain why you can have your own story and control some of the reality inside the tower?

It was stated that Phantanium attacked Zahards castle and killed all his guards until he got to Zahard but then he left Zahard alive? The reasons to why he left Zahard alive are still unclear but maybe he wanted to make a statement or something? Maybe he wanted to show Zahard that there are some people that has already climbed higher than the 134th floor and that these people came in even before the 10 families? that these people are higher beings than the 10 families and could wipe them out whenever they wanted?

 

[Demonspeed]

Well, Zahard and his team stopped at the 134th floor. There is more after but he never went beyond. I am pretty sure the 9000 Bangs is a reference to the "Over 9000!" from DB and should not be taken seriously but we never know.

Enryu is without a doubt very strong, but he is not an Axis(SIU confirmed this). Garam also said that he was a servant, so he was obeying someone above him. To beat an Axis you must be an even stronger Axis. Phantaminum is in the top 5 IIRC. He has apparently been seen only once, I doubt he climbed the Tower. When he killed people on the floor he appeared from a door, I think he just appeared there to do his job. Someone as strong as him would have been noticed before.

 

[Sakashi]

Well, Zahard and his team stopped at the 134th floor. There is more after but he never went beyond. I am pretty sure the 9000 Bangs is a reference to the "Over 9000!" from DB and should not be taken seriously but we never know.

Enryu is without a doubt very strong, but he is not an Axis(SIU confirmed this). Garam also said that he was a servant, so he was obeying someone above him. To beat an Axis you must be an even stronger Axis. Phantaminum is in the top 5 IIRC. He has apparently been seen only once, I doubt he climbed the Tower. When he killed people on the floor he appeared from a door, I think he just appeared there to do his job. Someone as strong as him would have been noticed before.

We all saw the picture with Enryu and the bangs and in my eyes it didn't look like 50 bangs but more. Furthermore, Siu stated that in order to become a Axis you need to awaken your power. So what does this mean? Until now we have only seen one way to awaken big powers and that is to become one of the strongest in the tower and that is to climb the tower because on your journey you will meet a lot of obstacles that will make you stronger and thats why there are ''high rankers'' because they have gotten stronger by climbing the tower.

Siu even stated that an ''Axis'' is a normal human being that awakened its power but the real question here is how? How can you awaken a power of a ''Axis''.
The only way I can think about is to climb the tower and then reach the last floor..

 

[Ripcord]

We all saw the picture with Enryu and the bangs and in my eyes it didn't look like 50 bangs but more. Furthermore, Siu stated that in order to become a Axis you need to awaken your power. So what does this mean? Until now we have only seen one way to awaken big powers and that is to become one of the strongest in the tower and that is to climb the tower because on your journey you will meet a lot of obstacles that will make you stronger and thats why there are ''high rankers'' because they have gotten stronger by climbing the tower.

Siu even stated that an ''Axis'' is a normal human being that awakened its power but the real question here is how? How can you awaken a power of a ''Axis''.
The only way I can think about is to climb the tower and then reach the last floor..

There are theories all over the Internet about the Tower, or similar ones if you look at old SIU writings, are to train Axis, or rather allow one to awaken. So your ideas are on the right track. It's possible Enryu trained in another tower and then came to this one. SIU has changed a lot since then so we don't know exactly where the truth lies.

However, we do know Zahard and his fellow warriors already erased some tower history, or at least they tried to (Arlene and V). If there were others that came before the 10 Families then it's possible Zahard made a part of his contract wiping out those that came before... though perhaps Wangnan is a part of that "old order" of things.

I think that SIU has done a fantastic job of showing us there is a larger world outside the tower without overwhelming us a bit. It actually allows for ToG to expand or introduce an outside threat without falling to the same horrible lack of foreshadowing that Kaguya in Naruto fell into.

That being said, I think that's the purpose of Phanta and Enryu. To show us that there is a big world out there... and yet we can be content about being oblivious to its existence most of the time. Enryu's thorn is a constant reminder of his influence, but our focus is on Baam & his friend's level of things.

 

[shaheer]

SIU himself confirmed that nothing in Talse user story is more powerful that the beings called Axis. There is no comparison between axis and non axis. Even the weakest one could potentially make Enryu kick the bucket.
It would be extremely odd for this to happen because Enryus entrace shown so far shows like baam or other entered ie he entered into the hidden floor directly from outside. Not to mention he is called Gods messenger (god=phantaminum??? may be)

 

[kkck]

I doubt enryu "climbed" the tower. And the manga provides more than a fair bit of context regarding that. For one thing, if enryu did climb the tower it is unlikely he would have been an unknown until the floor of death events. He would have been a well know figure whose power made him legendary. Unless he went out of his way to remain anonimous and climbed the tower in an average amount of time. The other alternative would be that he was erased from the tower's history somehow as arlene but that sounds kinda unlikely at least. At this point he would be someone whom even garam failed to find information on. And what seals it is the flashback we saw with enryu. We actually the door through which he presumably entered and it is fairly similar to the one that appeared when bam entered the tower.

Enryu using as many bangs as he did is not an axis class feat. SIU has said that if phantaminum wanted so he could eliminate the tower with a thought. In that regard, enryu using 9000 bangs means absolutely nothing to an axis. It would also be meaningless if he used 18000. Enryu could use a solid (trillion trillion trillion)^trillion bangs and an axis would still sneeze in the opposite direction of him and end him. Axis have, within their domain at least, infinite power and the germs in their demain are at their whims.

 

[Sakashi]

I doubt enryu "climbed" the tower. And the manga provides more than a fair bit of context regarding that. For one thing, if enryu did climb the tower it is unlikely he would have been an unknown until the floor of death events. He would have been a well know figure whose power made him legendary. Unless he went out of his way to remain anonimous and climbed the tower in an average amount of time. The other alternative would be that he was erased from the tower's history somehow as arlene but that sounds kinda unlikely at least. At this point he would be someone whom even garam failed to find information on. And what seals it is the flashback we saw with enryu. We actually the door through which he presumably entered and it is fairly similar to the one that appeared when bam entered the tower.

Enryu using as many bangs as he did is not an axis class feat. SIU has said that if phantaminum wanted so he could eliminate the tower with a thought. In that regard, enryu using 9000 bangs means absolutely nothing to an axis. It would also be meaningless if he used 18000. Enryu could use a solid (trillion trillion trillion)^trillion bangs and an axis would still sneeze in the opposite direction of him and end him. Axis have, within their domain at least, infinite power and the germs in their demain are at their whims.

But then if you compare the 9000 bangs with the 10 great warriors? Do you think that their power levels are on the same level as Enryu? Of course, we haven't seen the 10 great warriors yet so..we can't say for sure

 

[kkck]

But then if you compare the 9000 bangs with the 10 great warriors? Do you think that their power levels are on the same level as Enryu? Of course, we haven't seen the 10 great warriors yet so..we can't say for sure

It's hard to say. My guess, without much to base it on, would be that they are at least comparable. We saw mazino's attitude towards fighting an administrator and he seemed to think taking one on was within his capacity. And was thoroughly disappointed by the red thrysa.

 

[shaheer]

well, Mazino indirectly compared himself with Zahard. He indicated that garam wanted him to kill Zahard and he wasn't going to do it. It didn't seem that he wouldn't do it because he is scared of zahard rather he wouldn't do it because it's not right to do it. irregulars like regulars come in different talent range. There may be irregulars who are phenomenally powerful among the irregulars and there may be ones who are like normal ones. Like I doubt Gustang can win against Hon. Hon is known to have fought Zahard and lost every time. I can visualize Enryu being the pinnacle of irregulars in the show so far(phanta doesnt count). After that zahard then Mazino. But despite all that like KK said phanta can sneeze and take care of enryu without a problem. He can obliterate the whole tower if he wants to that's how insanely powerful he is.

 

[Sakashi]

Do you guys think that Enryu left the floor of death and hide on the "hidden floor" after the incident at the 43th floor? This can explain why Headon is still searching for him. It is said that Headon can appear on all the floors of the tower, but does the hidden floor count as one?

 

[Ripcord]

Do you guys think that Enryu left the floor of death and hide on the "hidden floor" after the incident at the 43th floor? This can explain why Headon is still searching for him. It is said that Headon can appear on all the floors of the tower, but does the hidden floor count as one?

Hard to say, but he would have had to clear the Hell Train and it sounds like he came to the FOD without the Train. He could have just left the way he came in, through that door. I have this theory Hockney is Enryu but just drained of most of his power, as it is now in the thorn.

The two of them have similar facial features but that doesn't mean a whole lot. I think we will find out when Hockney gets his soul back.

 

[shaheer]

I don't think he hid in the hidden floor. The Hidden floor is not a physical place its a data zone. Enryu can store his data in the Hidden floor but i doubt it will do him much to hide physically there. Given all floor are governed by admins i doubt Enryu is on any floor of Tower, otherwise Headon being an admin and I presume in good terms with other admins would have found Enryu.
I don't think Enryu gave a vibe that he was the guy to run from anyone, not to mention so far we haven't seen anyone who can match his power, so I doubt he is hiding anywhere. He simply is not in the tower.
Also, Enryu came in as someone who was against zahard.If he was in the Hidden floor he would have killed zahards data/destroyed the zahard system etc.
Hockney being Enryu theory is also very popular but idk, Enryu seemed to be a spear bearer while Hockney is a scout. But as of now given we don't have good data for what happened (which i doubt we will get more unless Enryu or floor of death is any more important), we cant speculate much with any amount of certainty.

 

[Ripcord]

I don't think he hid in the hidden floor. The Hidden floor is not a physical place its a data zone. Enryu can store his data in the Hidden floor but i doubt it will do him much to hide physically there. Given all floor are governed by admins i doubt Enryu is on any floor of Tower, otherwise Headon being an admin and I presume in good terms with other admins would have found Enryu.
I don't think Enryu gave a vibe that he was the guy to run from anyone, not to mention so far we haven't seen anyone who can match his power, so I doubt he is hiding anywhere. He simply is not in the tower.
Also, Enryu came in as someone who was against zahard.If he was in the Hidden floor he would have killed zahards data/destroyed the zahard system etc.
Hockney being Enryu theory is also very popular but idk, Enryu seemed to be a spear bearer while Hockney is a scout. But as of now given we don't have good data for what happened (which i doubt we will get more unless Enryu or floor of death is any more important), we cant speculate much with any amount of certainty.

SIU said there was FOD stuff that he still had to wrap up so we shall see what he meant by that.

As to the Enryu being a spear bearer and Hockney being a scout: if Enryu gave all his power to the thorn then who knows what he turned into. I highly doubt though that if he did pour his power into the thorn that he had much power left.

It could even have been that Phanta or some other axis implanted the thorn into Enryu which made him super powerful. Then after Enryu destroyed the guardian he completed his task and the thorn left him or he took it out. Enryu hiding on the FOD, based on your argument about admins being everywhere, is the perfect place for him to have been hiding.

 

[shaheer]

Yeah like I said the theory is popular, not without its merits. But the Spear bearer to Scout is purely on speculation. I am not saying Hockneye is not Enryu nor that he is Enryu. I just don't know. Enryu is overhyped recently so I suppose a lot of stuff we see around will seem related Enryu. For me so far it seems he came he conquered and he went away is the simplest explanation. If we get to know more on FOD may be we will get to know more on Enryu. But i am not sure if we will get to know more about it in details.
I am more interested in Phanta. Of the 5 major Irregular, we know about 3 (enryu Mazino Baam) we are about to know about Zahard from this hidden floor as Baam get to meet and fight Zahard here. Phanta seems way too shrouded in mystery and I think SIU himself is not keen on revealing much about it.

 

[Ripcord]

Yeah like I said the theory is popular, not without its merits. But the Spear bearer to Scout is purely on speculation. I am not saying Hockneye is not Enryu nor that he is Enryu. I just don't know. Enryu is overhyped recently so I suppose a lot of stuff we see around will seem related Enryu. For me so far it seems he came he conquered and he went away is the simplest explanation. If we get to know more on FOD may be we will get to know more on Enryu. But i am not sure if we will get to know more about it in details.
I am more interested in Phanta. Of the 5 major Irregular, we know about 3 (enryu Mazino Baam) we are about to know about Zahard from this hidden floor as Baam get to meet and fight Zahard here. Phanta seems way too shrouded in mystery and I think SIU himself is not keen on revealing much about it.

I hate to say it but I think you'll have to wait until we meet Zahard himself if we are gonna hear anything about Phanta. Well there is a possibility that Yuri will have something to say. Still, Phanta is written as outside the story a bit so we may never know.

This is unlike Enryu who is integral to the story. He drops this thorn that will be critical to the main plot of ToG... and we never see him again? Seems unlikely he's gone for good, though I suppose we may not actually meet Enryu himself.

Another theory I have is that Enryu IS the thorn. It seems to have a mind of its own (in terms of accepting Baam and becoming a part of him) and people becoming objects is not unheard of in ToG (they were gonna melt down Baam into a weapon). So perhaps once the entire thorn is formed we will meet Enryu inside Baam. I still say Hockney is the empty shell though

 

[kkck]

The thorn was supposed to be "dead" by the time it was found by fug. So if enryu was the thorn it is not a stretch that he actually died. I could see hockney being the thorn's soul that left it and gave the illusion that it died though. Maybe hockney is the reason there are rumors that enryu could create life. He discarded the thorn but took its souls and gave it new life as hockney. The only weird part is that hockney doesn't seem to be old enough for such a thing. Unless of course he spent an insanely long time as a resident of the FOD.

 

[shaheer]

I hate to say it but I think you'll have to wait until we meet Zahard himself if we are gonna hear anything about Phanta. Well there is a possibility that Yuri will have something to say. Still, Phanta is written as outside the story a bit so we may never know.

Like i said i dont think SIU is keen on revealing anything so i dont think we will get to know much about Phanta if SIU keeps up his present writing sense.

 

[Demonspeed]

I don't think Eryu is in the Tower. He did his job and left. Maybe he will reappear later for another mission.

I don't think he can literally create 9000 Bangs but he is obviously good at it. Blosom is probably the one who can create the most Bangs, she or Baek Ryun.

 

[syx]

I don't think Eryu is in the Tower. He did his job and left. Maybe he will reappear later for another mission.

I don't think he can literally create 9000 Bangs but he is obviously good at it. Blosom is probably the one who can create the most Bangs, she or Baek Ryun.

As it stands now, Enryu can indeed create and handle over 9.000 Baangs.

ToG Wiki Entry: Enryu

Currently, the person who has handled the greatest number of Baangs of Shinsoo is Enryu. Although the accurate number is not recorded, it's clear that it surpasses other recorded figures greatly. According to a Light Bearer who once had the chance to record Enryu's combat, Enryu is known to have handled over 9,000 Baangs during the combat.

 

[shaheer]

i don't think blossom or gustang or koon can begin to challenge Enryu feat wise. So far the strongest character we have seen is Mazino and he even couldn't use shinsoo well when the guardian(whatever left of him) was manipulating it out for itself. In an even adverse situation ie when guardian was fully functional Enryu destroyed the whole range of high ranker and the guardian himself by superceeding the guardians hold on shinsoo. I doubt we will see anyone (MAYBE baam) who can rival that power or hold. Personally i think apart from Hon Koon and Gustang the 10 great family heads wont be a major issue, that is by the time they will be introduced the guys will be excellent in their field enough to not depend on the heads. Like in the FOD arc baam was clearly depending on Gustang for a happy ending. I dont think the next great family leader will have tht influence over the gang.