Fantasy Erza vs Mirajane

[Axiomus]

Where was macro against Lucy, Skullion, or Gray?

@sharkai I think it's time for a new dp lol

Might I suggest this one?

 

[Ramen]

Where was macro against Lucy, Skullion, or Gray?

She's so strong, they don't deserve to be put under macro.

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Might I suggest this one?

That's evil.

 

[Mirage]

This is not true as a 99% dead Seilah did it on Erza and Minerva. Plus Command T isn't offset by power. The only hax stated to be determined by PL is Gemini's copy magic. Hax has been used numerous times on people far more powerful than the caster.

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Literally stated by Mashima to break PLs lol.

So Mira can macro Superman then right? Yeah sorry to burst your bubble but that's now it works in these vs threads. Last I checked she macro'd fodder way back in the war arc. That suddenly means she can macro Erza and neg her? No sir.

Macro doesn't affect anyone out of Mira's ballpark.

Erza shit diffs.

 

[Mirage]

The "99% dead Seilah" example isn't exactly solid either. Tartaros were the main antagonists and portrayed to be stronger than anyone at the time, bar dragons and Zeref obviously. Of course Seilah would be able to macro an exhausted Erza and Minerva.

That's not comparable in the slightest to a current Mira vs Erza setting lmao. Mira gets mopped here.

 

[Jko]

So Mira can macro Superman then right? Yeah sorry to burst your bubble but that's now it works in these vs threads. Last I checked she macro'd fodder way back in the war arc. That suddenly means she can macro Erza and neg her? No sir.

Macro doesn't affect anyone out of Mira's ballpark.

Erza shit diffs.

Yes. Superman straight up gets mind control by fodder on a daily basis. Sorry to burst your bubble but the most OP people in fiction are hax based. I see no valid reason to say she can't macro Erza.

It does as the hax already did and Erza has zero resistance towards the hax. Like I said Hiro already admitted hax breaks PL and that numerous hax have already worked on people out of the caster's ballpark.

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The "99% dead Seilah" example isn't exactly solid either. Tartaros were the main antagonists and portrayed to be stronger than anyone at the time, bar dragons and Zeref obviously. Of course Seilah would be able to macro an exhausted Erza and Minerva.

That's not comparable in the slightest to a current Mira vs Erza setting lmao. Mira gets mopped here.

Seilah who was oneshotted by BSS Mira is somehow Erza tier at that point??? Lol. Erza wasn't exhausted as she literally fights Kyouka two seconds later. So again a 99% dead Seilah macroed a fully healthy Erza.

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They even said Macro only did not work on Mira bcs of her takeober which makes your PL argument null and void. Macro has never been resisted by PL in the manga and clearly works on people with higher PL as shown with Seilah hax-ing out Erza despite the former being oneshotted by an exhausted BSS Mira.

 

[Ramen]

Yes. Superman straight up gets mind control by fodder on a daily basis. Sorry to burst your bubble but the most OP people in fiction are hax based. I see no valid reason to say she can't macro Erza.

It does as the hax already did and Erza has zero resistance towards the hax. Like I said Hiro already admitted hax breaks PL and that numerous hax have already worked on people out of the caster's ballpark.

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Seilah who was oneshotted by BSS Mira is somehow Erza tier at that point??? Lol. Erza wasn't exhausted as she literally fights Kyouka two seconds later. So again a 99% dead Seilah macroed a fully healthy Erza.

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They even said Macro only did not work on Mira bcs of her takeober which makes your PL argument null and void. Macro has never been resisted by PL in the manga and clearly works on people with higher PL as shown with Seilah hax-ing out Erza despite the former being oneshotted by an exhausted BSS Mira.

So why didn't Mira use Macro on Skullion or Gray?

Would you say she's the strongest because she has macro? I mean, if it works on Erza,then by default it works on Laxus/Natsu which would put her right behind Gildarts.

 

[Jko]

So why didn't Mira use Macro on Skullion or Gray?

Would you say she's the strongest because she has macro? I mean, if it works on Erza,then by default it works on Laxus/Natsu which would put her right behind Gildarts.

Bcs she was nerfed to BSS, obviously. That's like asking why Erza didn't use Nakagami against Laxus or Laxus use Fairy Law or his Rune magic. Natsu just got nerfed from using soul form bcs it was too hax. Gild is never really in the story bcs his magic is busted. Hax generally never gets used effectively bcs it bust PLs.

Honestly, yeah. Hax is the best thing in the verse which is why the top tiers and God tiers are OP. Look at Touka, she has nothing to say she is even above Lucy in MP nor any physical feats of power yet she soloed FT with just hax. Kiria beat Erza with hax despite the difference in power. Mest mind controlled Brandish via hax. The Rajinshuu hax was shown to still work on Gray. Kyouka's hax was still shown to work on Erza in Alvarez. Wendy just stomped the Touka who stomped FT. Hax is busted which even the author admits lmao.

 

[Axiomus]

When was the last time macro was used to beat an opponent?

Command T has limits btw. Couldn't effect Neinhart or the END tumor, and the reason given for both times had to do with how powerful they were.

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[Ramen]

Honestly, yeah. Hax is the best thing in the verse which is why the top tiers and God tiers are OP. Look at Touka, she has nothing to say she is even above Lucy in MP nor any physical feats of power yet she soloed FT with just hax. Kiria beat Erza with hax despite the difference in power. Mest mind controlled Brandish via hax. The Rajinshuu hax was shown to still work on Gray. Kyouka's hax was still shown to work on Erza in Alvarez. Wendy just stomped the Touka who stomped FT. Hax is busted which even the author admits lmao.

Alright so Mira is the strongest FT Wizard. Got it.

 

[Jko]

Alright so Mira is the strongest FT Wizard. Got it.

Gildarts and DF Natsu would still be. They got high tier hax as well lol.

When was the last time macro was used to beat an opponent?

Command T has limits btw. Couldn't effect Neinhart or the END tumor, and the reason given for both times had to do with how powerful they were.

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When has Mira ever tried using it against a strong opponent? She was nerfed to BSS this whole arc....

Neither of those scans say it was because their magical power being higher than her own. Neinheart was from Irene's enchantment and END doesn't even have magic nor curse power so he doesn't have a "PL". END is also shown to have the ability to negate hax so it wasn't his power. They don't have an explanation for how he negates her power which is why they say he just more powerful than her "magic" (not magical power) and then Mashima nails in the head that it is END's ability to do so. Command T worked fine on August in his battle mode and was never stated be effected by magical power otherwise Brandish would have knew her power wouldn't work on Neinheart since she already sensed his magical power was enhanced by Irene.

 

[Ramen]

Gildarts and DF Natsu would still be. They got high tier hax as well lol.

So Mira is above Laxus. Ok

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So let's disregard the facts that Macro is an outdated curse that has little to no feats. Hax for the win.

 

[Jko]

So Mira is above Laxus. Ok

If she used her hax don't see why not. She literally has the same problem as the S12s lol.

I mean it's not like you have a feat or statement that says Macro is PL based and I don't have numerous showings from the manga that hax > PL and the author's own words saying hax bust PLs....

 

[Ramen]

If she used her hax don't see why not. She literally has the same problem as the S12s lol.

I mean it's not like you have a feat or statement that says Macro is PL based and I don't have numerous showings from the manga that hax > PL and the author's own words saying hax bust PLs....

"If" she used it. I guess she forgot she to use it properly in Alvarez and 100YQ

You know what you don't have? Good Macro feats. Her using it on someone like Erza who's a whole tier above Mira. All you have is "hax strong."

 

[Axiomus]

Gildarts and DF Natsu would still be. They got high tier hax as well lol.

When has Mira ever tried using it against a strong opponent? She was nerfed to BSS this whole arc....

Neither of those scans say it was because their magical power being higher than her own. Neinheart was from Irene's enchantment and END doesn't even have magic nor curse power so he doesn't have a "PL". END is also shown to have the ability to negate hax so it wasn't his power. They don't have an explanation for how he negates her power which is why they say he just more powerful than her "magic" (not magical power) and then Mashima nails in the head that it is END's ability to do so. Command T worked fine on August in his battle mode and was never stated be effected by magical power otherwise Brandish would have knew her power wouldn't work on Neinheart since she already sensed his magical power was enhanced by Irene.

Speaking of nerfed to BBS, I still haven't seen anybody address the fact that there's a very real possibility that the etherious takeovers disappeared along with Zeref's death. So far we haven't seen Mirajane use any of her etherious takeovers. She's had 3 fights so far, and even got defeated, and still nothing. Honestly, there's been countless debates about team Natsu being nerfed for no apparent reason, but Mirajane has the only legitimate argument for having received a nerf.

Brandish literally said END's tumor was far more powerful than any magic she has. It's actually her explanation for why her magic cannot treat it anymore.

Irene's enchantment gave Neinhart more magic power. Brandish associated him being immune to her magic to how strong he was. Keep in mind that the entire reason Irene enchanted Neinhart was so that he could personally fight Erza. Giving him a specific enchantment to be immune to Brandish's power is less than useless. It's completely counter-productive. She needed Neinhart to be able to beat Erza over the head in combat, not be immune to hax that Erza doesn't even have.

As for why Brandish's magic worked on August. It's very simple. He allowed it to.

 

[Ramen]

As for why Brandish's magic worked on August. It's very simple. He allowed it to.

You still haven't told me about that Igneel vs Deliora debate.

 

[Axiomus]

You still haven't told me about that Igneel vs Deliora debate.

It's from way ago. Can't even remember the thread.

 

[Ramen]

It's from way ago. Can't even remember the thread.

You must find it.

 

[Jko]

"If" she used it. I guess she forgot she to use it properly in Alvarez and 100YQ

You know what you don't have? Good Macro feats. Her using it on someone like Erza who's a whole tier above Mira. All you have is "hax strong."

She did. She forgot to use her entire powerset outside of BSS properly in the 100YQ. In Alvarez she went overkill to get nerfed from fighting.

I do. 99% dead Seilah was macro-ing Erza and Minerva and it was stated that Mira was the only resisted Macro bcs of Takeover. You're just downplaying it when you have squat feats of Macro ever being resisted by PL. I have numerous showings of hax working on people of a higher caliber. Even ones less haxy than Macro lol. I have even the author words backing the argument that hax > PL and that authors don't like using them bcs they break PLs.

Speaking of nerfed to BBS, I still haven't seen anybody address the fact that there's a very real possibility that the etherious takeovers disappeared along with Zeref's death. So far we haven't seen Mirajane use any of her etherious takeovers. She's had 3 fights so far, and even got defeated, and still nothing. Honestly, there's been countless debates about team Natsu being nerfed for no apparent reason, but Mirajane has the only legitimate argument for having received a nerf.

Brandish literally END's tumor was far more powerful than any magic she has. It's actually her explanation for why her magic cannot treat it anymore.

Irene's enchantment gave Neinhart more magic power.

And Brandish associated him being immune to her magic to how strong he was. Keep in mind that the entire reason Irene enchanted Neinhart was so that he could personally fight Erza. Giving him a specific enchantment to be immune to Brandish's power is less than useless. It's completely counter-productive. She needed Neinhart to be able to beat Erza over the head in combat, not be immune to hax that Erza doesn't even have.

None of that was ever hinted to be the case tho. Like no one even talked about her souls being dwindled and her being nerfed. She also still has Sitri which way stronger than BSS yet still was nerfed to not using it lol. Natsu and Erza are pretty much the only ones who got heavy nerfs and that's bcs they can't access the PoF they used in Alvarez. Natsu was inconsistent as hell in the WDG arc when he failed to produce fire magic in water despite vaping a a huge lake with his body heat from an indirect attack.

None of that says magical power which is the Power Level system of the manga. It says far more powerful than the magic she has not that it has more magical power than her. Brandish doesn't know why she can't affect END which is why she made a hypothesis. The author knows which is why he states what END's power is. If it was power level than Mashima would have steaight up said Natsu walked through timestop bcs Natsu was more powerful than her in his END form.

For Neinheart it was Irene's enchantment. We know this because she already sensed Neinheart's mp was greater than her own and would have knew that her magic wouldn't work on him. She wouldn't try her Command T and be surprised that it failed if it was PL lol. She says how strong has Irene made him, not his magical power is too high for her Command T to work. We already know Irene's hax can counter hax since the versatility is nigh endless as well. Why would it be counter productive? She just buffed him with enchantments and one of those enchantments stop Command T.

Except he can't make his magical power go below his base (which his base is still far stronger than Brandish mp). Especially when he is his battle mode still. If she can't use it on people with higher MP than she wouldn't be able to use it on August in the first place.

 

[Ramen]

She did. She forgot to use her entire powerset outside of BSS properly in the 100YQ. In Alvarez she went overkill to get nerfed from fighting.

So she's an idiot? She could've used it at the beginning against Lucy and Skullion but she didn't.

I do. 99% dead Seilah was macro-ing Erza and Minerva and it was stated that Mira was the only resisted Macro bcs of Takeover. You're just downplaying it when you have squat feats of Macro ever being resisted by PL. I have numerous showings of hax working on people of a higher caliber. Even ones less haxy than Macro lol. I have even the author words backing the argument that hax > PL and that authors don't like using them bcs they break PLs.

You really brought Tartaros in this? Lmao Any top tier of FT solos that entire arc right now. Tartaros is irrelevant and outdated.

Seilah=/= Mira.

You don't have a single proper feat that shows Macro is still useful.

When comparing who's stronger than who we go off feats. For you to say she's stronger than Laxus and Erza based off a curse she's never used properly is like......wow.

 

[Vis]

@Jko - if you really don't think Macro has any upper limits, do you think Mirajane can control Igneel or Aldoron? How about FH Zeref or August? I'm actually interested how you think Macro works.