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Even with that translation, given Escanor's reaction, the implication is still there, that there is something out there that Escanor doesn't think he could handle. Otherwise, why have that reaction? Would he have agreed right when she said it? Even if it was "foolishly, obvious"? Escanor hasn't let comments like that shake him before.
I think Escanor said it sarcastically. The only thing he couldbt handle is beating every opponent badly. I mean everytime he fought someone he could either lit like meras, toast like Estarossa and almost sliced unto half like Meliodas.
 

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See, I thought that as well, but before and after the battle, Escanor remained confident that he could take on Mel. Before they fought, he was looking forward to proving that he was stronger than Mel, something he's apparently wanted to do for a while. Then after the battle, he said he would take him on as many times as it took, implying that he still considers himself above Mel in power. And it was that comment that led Diane to make that statement towards him, leading to his reaction. I don't think his reaction at that moment in time was taking Mel into consideration.
Well he thinks he can beat mel that’s true. The problem was that he thought Diane was doubting that he could. I think it’d be weird if Escanor had a ptsd flashback to some guy we’ve never seen before
 

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I think Escanor said it sarcastically. The only thing he couldbt handle is beating every opponent badly. I mean everytime he fought someone he could either lit like meras, toast like Estarossa and almost sliced unto half like Meliodas.
I don't think so. He was strangely serious at that one moment. Before and after that moment, he went back to his normal, nonchalant self. It was a weird moment for his character.

Well he thinks he can beat mel that’s true. The problem was that he thought Diane was doubting that he could. I think it’d be weird if Escanor had a ptsd flashback to some guy we’ve never seen before
We don't know much about Escanor's past in the first place, so I wouldn't say it'd be weird if that were the case.
 

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I don't think so. He was strangely serious at that one moment. Before and after that moment, he went back to his normal, nonchalant self. It was a weird moment for his character.



We don't know much about Escanor's past in the first place, so I wouldn't say it'd be weird if that were the case.

Dont tell me you were referring to this one? Was the translation in japanese different from english? Or you could have overanalyzed it. Because the way I see it, Dianne said the strongest man where in fact he is the strongest amongst all races not only human race. I mean as prideful as he is he thinks he is above everyone, which is true. Or dont say something foolish where I almost killed the captain with my awsomeness. Were the translation between jap and english would haven been the same.
 
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Dont tell me you were referring to this one? Was the translation in japanese different from english? Or you could have overanalyzed it. Because the way I see it, Dianne said the strongest man where in fact he is the strongest amongst all races not only human race. I mean as prideful as he is he thinks he is above everyone, which is true. Or dont say something foolish where I almost killed the captain with my awsomeness. Were the translation between jap and english would haven been the same.
Yeah, this is the scene. I could have over-analyzed it, but those types of scenes usually imply that there is something more to the conversation. Even Diane was confused by the outburst and Escanor even had to notable stutter someone usually has when they are trying to recover from gaff or hide something.
 

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But king has that nerf in his head when people are angry so it's l'ost likely something insulting towards diane.:3c
 

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Yeah, this is the scene. I could have over-analyzed it, but those types of scenes usually imply that there is something more to the conversation. Even Diane was confused by the outburst and Escanor even had to notable stutter someone usually has when they are trying to recover from gaff or hide something.
I think he stuttered because he exerted too much effort responding dianne angrily. Take note he was terribly damaged with just basically 2% hp. Look its like Lonzo Ball beating Lebron then someone calls the former youre the best rookie ever. If I were Lonzo Id feel that was a cheap shot saying Im just a rookie because Im the best player in the NBA. You get what I mean?
 

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Dont tell me you were referring to this one? Was the translation in japanese different from english? Or you could have overanalyzed it. Because the way I see it, Dianne said the strongest man where in fact he is the strongest amongst all races not only human race. I mean as prideful as he is he thinks he is above everyone, which is true. Or dont say something foolish where I almost killed the captain with my awsomeness. Were the translation between jap and english would haven been the same.
To be fair, that entire exchange as MS has it makes precisely 0 sense. Look at how the exchange plays out. Diane says escanor can handle anything. Escanor responds with surprise and says diane said something foolish. Which should mean escanor is saying he actually can't handle anything. To which merlin responds that escanor is acting tough. Which is nonsense! Because escanor literally just admitted he can't handle anything. However merlin still berates escanor over that, essentially punches away the 1 hp escanor had left. If crunchy roll has the translation as escanor saying diane is essentially a moron that just states the obvious then suddenly the entire exchange makes literally ALL OF THE SENSE. Seriously, in the MS translation merlin is doing nothing short of rambling incoherently about stuff that wasn't even said. We usually have hawk for that sort of bullshit.
 

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To be fair, that entire exchange as MS has it makes precisely 0 sense. Look at how the exchange plays out. Diane says escanor can handle anything. Escanor responds with surprise and says diane said something foolish. Which should mean escanor is saying he actually can't handle anything. To which merlin responds that escanor is acting tough. Which is nonsense! Because escanor literally just admitted he can't handle anything. However merlin still berates escanor over that, essentially punches away the 1 hp escanor had left. If crunchy roll has the translation as escanor saying diane is essentially a moron that just states the obvious then suddenly the entire exchange makes literally ALL OF THE SENSE. Seriously, in the MS translation merlin is doing nothing short of rambling incoherently about stuff that wasn't even said. We usually have hawk for that sort of bullshit.
To be fair Escanor response as foolish was either pertaining him to be the strongest man or can handle anything. Because the whole sentence goes you are the strongest man and you can handle anything. I mean it doesnt make any sense if someone praise you that you can handle anything, which he usualy does, youd get upset. I mean the reaction suppose to be just normal a simple no and explanation that unfortunately I couldnt handle everything. On the other hand emphasizing strongest man, knowing he is a prideful guy and distinctively just the strongest man not the strongest of all races hed be upset which the way it is suppose to. I mean he just slashed a living legend and got almost killed and he just got praised just the strongest man.
 

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To be fair Escanor response as foolish was either pertaining him to be the strongest man or can handle anything. Because the whole sentence goes you are the strongest man and you can handle anything. I mean it doesnt make any sense if someone praise you that you can handle anything, which he usualy does, youd get upset. I mean the reaction suppose to be just normal a simple no and explanation that unfortunately I couldnt handle everything. On the other hand emphasizing strongest man, knowing he is a prideful guy and distinctively just the strongest man not the strongest of all races hed be upset which the way it is suppose to. I mean he just slashed a living legend and got almost killed and he just got praised just the strongest man.
The issue here is not quite the exchange between escanor and diane but rather merlin's response to it. The exchange between diane and escanor has a number of issues when it comes to context however it at least makes sense in that the exchange has sentences which mean stuff and the stuff they mean is consistent with what the other is saying. It's the bare minimum of sense an exchange should have. The contextual issues in the exchange between diane and escanor are not quite relevant to what I am saying. Now, when merlin joins the conversation things get... weird. Because Escanor, according to MS, would have quite literally just admitted he can't handle anything. And after saying he can't handle anything he tells merlin "right merlin?". To which merlin responds saying escanor is the one playing tough. Which, I can't stress enough, is literally the opposite of what just happened. So looking at the whole thing you have diane praising the sin of pride which results in the sin of pride being humble and said humility being shut down by merlin by saying the sin of pride is playing tough.
 

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You guys are really over-analyzing that line.

I agree it was weird, but the translation as mangastream has it makes zero sense as kkck has already explained. You have to remember this is the same group that had everyone melting down about Escanor storing power, because it was a complete retcon of how his powers were established to work, and it turned out to be wrong anyway.

The proper translation, that actually makes sense, says that he was shocked that she said something so stupidly obvious, which makes sense. The same way we except the translation about the accumulation of stress rather than power, because it actually makes sense.

The databook already says that Escanor has never met anyone he thought was stronger than him, so there is no super secret demon king level badass out there we don't know about or, even a Gawain in this story. Saying that he thinks there is somebody stronger than him that we don't know about directly contradicts the databook.

I know this is a battle manga and people like to theorize about stronger people all the time, but unless a retcon occurs Noon Escanor is the strongest Taizai character.

Yes, I think the GQ and DK should be stronger than him honestly with their feats, but he was given the title of strongest by the author himself officially with the chapter title, and the translation of his "One" form, which means number 1 in heaven and on earth. So if Nakaba says he's the strongest he's the strongest feelings be damned, or even if you want somebody else out there to be stronger than him.

So yeah. Unless something gets retconned Noon Escanor is the strongest being for one minute.
 
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To me, the entire exchange just seems weird, with either translation, because of the emphasis put on his reaction to Diane's comments. Whether or not there is someone out there stronger than him can indeed be debated, but I still think the comment is insinuating something about his past.

If it turns out to be wrong, I'll eat that crow, but that way that scene played out seemed much more important than the other throw away lines about Escanor's abilities and powers.
 

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The issue here is not quite the exchange between escanor and diane but rather merlin's response to it. The exchange between diane and escanor has a number of issues when it comes to context however it at least makes sense in that the exchange has sentences which mean stuff and the stuff they mean is consistent with what the other is saying. It's the bare minimum of sense an exchange should have. The contextual issues in the exchange between diane and escanor are not quite relevant to what I am saying. Now, when merlin joins the conversation things get... weird. Because Escanor, according to MS, would have quite literally just admitted he can't handle anything. And after saying he can't handle anything he tells merlin "right merlin?". To which merlin responds saying escanor is the one playing tough. Which, I can't stress enough, is literally the opposite of what just happened. So looking at the whole thing you have diane praising the sin of pride which results in the sin of pride being humble and said humility being shut down by merlin by saying the sin of pride is playing tough.
I think you are mixing things up from hypothetical point of view. I think Merlin saying stop acting like tough doesnt relate of what Dianes ambiguous praise that connotating Escanor has someone he couldnt contain. Looking back at the old slide you can say that he is the only thing who has the right to decide if it is over or not. Which is true in the sense of immense power he posseses specially the invulnerability at 12nn for full 1 minute.

 

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I think you are mixing things up from hypothetical point of view. I think Merlin saying stop acting like tough doesnt relate of what Dianes ambiguous praise that connotating Escanor has someone he couldnt contain. Looking back at the old slide you can say that he is the only thing who has the right to decide if it is over or not. Which is true in the sense of immense power he posseses specially the invulnerability at 12nn for full 1 minute.

What are you even talking about? Merlin wasn't responding to diane in any form or context, she was responding specifically to escanor. What you are suggesting would make merlin a bigger lunatic than the current MS translation would suggest. That chapter's translation was notoriously bad in general, the poor translation even made it seem like escanor works like a battery (which the correct translation disproves).
 

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What are you even talking about? Merlin wasn't responding to diane in any form or context, she was responding specifically to escanor. What you are suggesting would make merlin a bigger lunatic than the current MS translation would suggest. That chapter's translation was notoriously bad in general, the poor translation even made it seem like escanor works like a battery (which the correct translation disproves).
No I didnt say that. I said Merlin had told Escanor stop acting tough when youve dealt 98% damage before Diane had praised Escanor as the strongest man that could handle anything then Escanor angrily had responded not at all, which I assume he've gotten mad hence hes not only the strongest man but above all else including demon, fairy, giant, et al. But anyhow we are running circles here so I guess which ever goes because there is no way Escanor couldnt handle anyone. He can beat his opponent any time of the day even at his weakest state at night.
 

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To me, the entire exchange just seems weird, with either translation, because of the emphasis put on his reaction to Diane's comments. Whether or not there is someone out there stronger than him can indeed be debated, but I still think the comment is insinuating something about his past.

If it turns out to be wrong, I'll eat that crow, but that way that scene played out seemed much more important than the other throw away lines about Escanor's abilities and powers.
If that's how you feel that's how you feel.

I feel nothing when reading that line as Escanor's self circle-jerk for the last 100 chapters, the databook, and Nakaba himself pretty much all contradict the idea that Escanor could believe, or has met someone stronger than him.

If you must assign some kind of deeper meaning to it doesn't necessarily have to be about power levels or something serious or big and revealing anyway.

It was clearly a comedy moment. She also said he could handle anything. You're expecting something huge and revealing imo, when it just may be something like in reality he's 0-100 against Rosa and she used to force him to go to bed during the day because he was scaring the other 10 year olds as a 10ft tall 100k+ monster always circle-jerking himself about how they should all be licking his feet, and he couldn't talk her down like he usually does to everyone else.

Regardless I'm sure we'll move into his backstory soon enough, now that we've gotten the Noon form, and Nakaba revealed that his hometown was destroyed recently.
 

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Escanor my boy need some badass nemesis for crying out loud. The guy is getting bored because no matter he face he destroys, oh boy. I was thinking NS might build up Estarossa to somehow counter his awsomeness. Although Estarossa might have zero chance against him at least we can say NS did his best but Escanor is just too much for every character he faces. I mean literally he almost killed a demon king predecessor with just a single strike of his hand. Meliodas assault mode is like the most feared state even the Goddess's acknowledge this feat, everyone cowers. But Escanor just single slashed this OP state of Mel and he almost die, jesus christ.
How about a demon or some angel who uses ice and is powered by Night like Escanor is by day?
 

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How are they supposed to fight then?
It daytime and the Night empowered opponent has a weapon or tool that allows them to fight as though it were night and full release at midnight. (it's not perfect and Merlin will state that the reason that Escanor still won was solely because it wasn't perfect and even then the opponent was so powerful that escanor was pushed to 99% damage and couldn't even stand afterwords or even reverted back to his night time self because of how munch power was used up.)
 

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It daytime and the Night empowered opponent has a weapon or tool that allows them to fight as though it were night and full release at midnight. (it's not perfect and Merlin will state that the reason that Escanor still won was solely because it wasn't perfect and even then the opponent was so powerful that escanor was pushed to 99% damage and couldn't even stand afterwords or even reverted back to his night time self because of how munch power was used up.)
Well that kinda defeats the nighttime purpose imo. And idk why people want Escanor to lose so badly.

Lets be honest, Meliodas is the second strongest character in the manga after Escanor. However he always has 100% of his power so if anything he's the one that needs a new opponent. Escanor is only strong for a few hours in the day and according to Merlin if he exerts himself he damages himself and that strain only keeps building up overtime because he doesn't exert himself. Meliodas is a lot more boring to watch fight because he's never gonna lose at this point hes 80K at the very least. Escanor at least can lose before noon time. Also Escanor cannot revert back to his night time self. That only happens if it's a pseudo transformation. The dude's not a battery, that was a mangastream mistranslation. Also, him losing isn't really good character development, that'd just make him less arrogant and boring. There's other stuff in his story that's a lot better to expand upon than his powers
 
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